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He will obviously get the one voted for by players at the very least, if he wins the title again with Chelsea
Amazing player, even if he doesn't really do much more than pass sideways when he has the ball. It's what he does without it that is so astonishing; a tackling and intercepting machine who seems to be able to cover half the pitch in his own
Lovely to see him getting accolades as I've always been a huge fan of that type of player at the very top of his game, even if every year or two some retards say 'DM specialists are history'
See also
Strikers who just score goals
Wingers
Three at the back
Tackling
Possession football
Counter-attacking football
Defending
Sitting back and allowing the other team to have possession
Two holding players
No holding players
All dead and then resurrected and then dead again, based on which team wins trophies, in a never-ending cycle of fucking idiots talking bollocks
Yeah - Benitez said he was too risky a signing at that time.
Years later he claimed he didn't have the money to sign him.
This is usual stuff super fans come out when they won’t any criticism when a fancy new managers come into the club.
You need a good defence and GK and a striker who can score goals. The fundamentals of the game remain the same.
See city fans trying to justify pep playing zabletta in centre of mid. its not tactical genius, its slightly bonkers.
It's like when some plonkers tried to tell us crossing/good crossers of the ball was dead in the modern game. And 20 goals a season strikers being irrelevant these days, or something. I hope they feel really fucking stupid now.
We're all footballing dinosaurs, years out of touch with reality. lol
There are no definitive rules and blueprints about how you approach the game and ways to be effective. As soon as you start thinking like that, you're confined by your own stupidity and narrow mindedness.
We're all footballing dinosaurs, years out of touch with reality. lol
There are no definitive rules and blueprints about how you approach the game and ways to be effective. As soon as you start thinking like that, you're confined by your own stupidity and narrow mindedness.
It's all about small, technically clever players, they don't need to be quick, because they can interchange and pass their way out of trouble in a fluid system, using possession to "rest" and exploiting the space between the lines using a false 9. The goalkeeper is the 11th outfield player and needs ball-playing CBs who can bring the ball forward, with attacking wing-backs. Tackling is an outmoded concept.
Translation: we've watched Barcelona play and they're all fucking tiny, and I can't work out where Messi is playing, and that Xavi can't even run but they keep winning! And Busquets just strolls about and never challenges anyone.
THIS IS THE FUTURE OF FOOTBALL.
Translation: we've watched Barcelona play and they're all fucking tiny, and I can't work out where Messi is playing, and that Xavi can't even run but they keep winning! And Busquets just strolls about and never challenges anyone.
THIS IS THE FUTURE OF FOOTBALL.
Re. Joyce: We are all of us in the Goethe.
There's barely a massive change in the blueprint, give or take the Milner and Matip transfers, we still seem to have a habit of spending big on Premiership based players with mixed results. The very occasional resounding hit, the middling lot who are great when we play well and just plain average the rest of the time, and then the completely overpaid for, one season wonder dross.
It's not hugely different. Almost every summer transfer window has seen us pay at least £20m for a divisive/shit Premiership player. Regardless of manager.
It's not hugely different. Almost every summer transfer window has seen us pay at least £20m for a divisive/shit Premiership player. Regardless of manager.
ITS THE CURSE OF STEVIE G I TELL THEE.....
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LOL LOL !!! - I know the feeling - at least we got someone to come into the first team. But that aside in the summer when we do sign players I don't know anymore unless they are 25M+ signings if we are signing for the first team or youth/reserve team. Like you take Grujic - I actually thought he was for the first team and ready for it - but no he is somewhere but nowhere to be seen. In the dutch league and others I am sure when they sign a 17 - 19 year old for X million - you will see them start or be on the bench as a sub for the main team. We seem to just let them rot to shit. I just don't get it anymore.
I suspect (maybe just hope), the difference is simply the German sides, even at mid table level, have tied their players up with large contracts.
That would mean he still knows players he wants but can't get them in his ideal timescale.
The longer time goes on without us grabbing anyone from the German leagues the less likely that's looking though, tbh if it were true I'd have thought we'd have signed someone by now.
Lallana's in the Echo today talking about lack of title winning experience throughout the side. I think this is a bit of a misnomer, personally, because everyone starts out having not won the title. I think it's more a lack of ability or willingness or both to take responsibility when things aren't going for you.
Still it is allways good to have that kind of experience in the squad to transfer the experience to the Young and upcoming players. Winning the title doesn't come for free. It is hard work. Today it is Klopp and Milner that has won the title. And we need that experience in the spine of the team, not by adding some weird world cup winner a la Diomede (spelled right??)
Yeah it's good - and it's one of the flaws in the FSG model of buying young players the whole time. Who do they learn from? Cross-pollination of threads here, but I think whenever Rodgers' reign is discussed his ultimate failure should be mitigated by the fact he was surrounded with inexperience, being inexperienced himself.
I still don't think that's quite it though. We can't or won't (depending on FSG) go out and spend money like Chelsea or the Manchester clubs. In order, therefore, to compete, maybe we have a narrower field of players that will really elevate us - players who have a complete, driving need to win. Those sorts of players are rarer now, but we don't have that burning need in any of our players really.
That said, maybe that need is only in the best players, who would cost the most money, rendering my point pretty worthless.
I think it is valid point. I Guess it is not a straight forward either. It will crazy expensive to lure central parts of title winning teams to Liverpool. So if we were going for that it would take something real special. I mean, Pogba won the title with Juve, but I don't see it is his title winning experience making United Shell out that kind of money. I Guess Juve's titles are won on different strengths were Pogba was more the icing of that cake, than the drive force behind them.
Should we look at a player like i.e. Rakitic. He has won lots of things, but might not be what Barcelona wants to keep after all. But would he be a player adressing the real weakness by lack of leaders, or will he just be an expensive alternative to a younger up and coming guy with no title experience?
So there is no clear answer when you look at either title experience or not. I don't know if the Klopp team that won their first title had a lot of such experience or they just created the momentum as they went along. Leicester last year clearly had little experience, but then again they will not recreate the success at all.
The truthful part of it is clear though, no one in this side seems to have the mentality required to win things, or at least not enough of them to actually enable us to take that final step.
Whenever one of our sides has been close to success in the last few years we've conspired to fuck it up, against all odds.
It's the polar opposite of in the years previous, where we were so often odds against yet had that elusive winning mentality that meant we won regardless.
I'm sure some players can learn & grow into that mentality, but I doubt all players can, & our current crop seems desperately lacking in that regard.
Whenever one of our sides has been close to success in the last few years we've conspired to fuck it up, against all odds.
It's the polar opposite of in the years previous, where we were so often odds against yet had that elusive winning mentality that meant we won regardless.
I'm sure some players can learn & grow into that mentality, but I doubt all players can, & our current crop seems desperately lacking in that regard.
I do agree with you.
“Milly is probably the only one in our group who has that type of experience because it only comes from winning silverware like he did at Manchester City. Myself and the other players haven’t won titles or loads of cups so we need to learn from him and listen to him because that type of experience is vital".
I guess it's fair enough to say they could do with more of such experienced players, but - and maybe I'm being harsh - I'd just tell Lallana and Co to go and bloody GET that experience themselves by winning something. It just sounds a bit soft to me for him to be saying how much they rely on Milner. HE didn't need such help, he's always been a serious professional with the self-belief to fight to win stuff. This bunch are such bottlers, it sounds like an excuse they exploit: 'Oh dear, we blew it again cos we don't know how to win things'. Grow some balls and DO it!
Milly sounds like a ready made excuse to me. As if all responsibility for dragging them over the line is on his shoulders only. It is perhaps a sign of a lack of drive that's been expressed on here about our players before.
I'm not such a sceptic that I can't acknowledge how important mentality, psychology, experience and other factors are vital in the creation of a winning culture at a club, but I wouldn't want it to obfuscate the other fact - lots of our players aren't just "inconsistent" or "lacking drive" or "winning mentality", they're also not good enough.
It's the will to win that elevates good players into champions in my opinion.
Agree. That's what it takes to produce the consistency of effort, whether during a game or during a whole career, which a player needs to make the best of his skills.
It's usually stuff like that which determines whether you're good enough though. I mean, you can have immensely talented players who lack the drive to truly succeed, and then you have the players who lack some natural ability but drive themselves on to become good players. I guess we have a middling lot who need a bit of both ends of the spectrum to push on as a team. There are alot of players there who can succeed in a title challenging squad, but we lack genuine match winning quality (Mane and Coutinho, that's about it) and those players who go the extra yard (Milner and Henderson, that's about it).
We have a squad of players who are all willing to work hard but for the most part are 6-7/10 type players with maybe one or two rising to an 8 for periods.
And yeah this team is a bit soft.
We need to buy some players who don't like losing and rather than let their head drops and accept defeat actually fight to win.
In other words, we need to spend a lot of money.
And yeah this team is a bit soft.
We need to buy some players who don't like losing and rather than let their head drops and accept defeat actually fight to win.
In other words, we need to spend a lot of money.
Imagine placing Carragher, Mascherano and Suarez into the spine of this team. Football ability aside, it's hard to downplay that cuntish hatred of losing that these 3 had.
If only our players had the same desire to win that they have to get new contracts. What has Lallana done to get 150 grand a week? We're rewarding players for playing well for 3 months per season and it pisses me off.
I bet him or his representatives didn't mention not being able to win in the contract negotiations.
I bet him or his representatives didn't mention not being able to win in the contract negotiations.
We've had decades of players believing they've made it simply by signing for us. Getting that gilt-edged contract with a world-renowned name is 'winning' to them. Rather than thinking they still have something to prove by actually, you know, winning things.
We've had Gerrard and Carra and Suarez and a couple of others, but never enough in the squad at any one time. That's where the teams above us recruit better. They buy players who are desperate to prove themselves as winners on the pitch, not just on instagram/in the car showroom/in their own nightclub etc.
The mental strength to succeed in football and reach one of the top clubs is one thing. Kicking on from there to win medals is something else entirely. This squad will always be that one that played that second half against Seville.
This group of players have, for the most part, been together for 3 or 4 seasons now and yup, that second half pretty much sums them up.
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