Barnes: Liverpool must show patience for Rodgers to create a Ferguson-like dynasty
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Digger nails it yet again.
On a sidenote...
Good stuff, and he's right, I don't like the comparison because Fergie is a one off, but he needs backing and he needs time to prove himself, at times we have been excellent, but our inconsistencies are still there. They've been there for years though so it'll take time to eradicate and instill a winning mentality. I know he has his detractors on here, but the signs are good IMO.
If there was ever a time to make a jump back up to the top it's next season. New managers at Man U, City, and Chelsea.
Arsenal are average and if Spurs lose Bale, it will really hurt them.
If we could get off to a good start, it will really ramp up the pressure on the new managers at other clubs.
If Rodgers can sign a few more players of the calibre of Sturridge and Coutinho, we will only move in 1 direction. However, he must solve our set piece calamities over the summer.
Arsenal are average and if Spurs lose Bale, it will really hurt them.
If we could get off to a good start, it will really ramp up the pressure on the new managers at other clubs.
If Rodgers can sign a few more players of the calibre of Sturridge and Coutinho, we will only move in 1 direction. However, he must solve our set piece calamities over the summer.
There's one point he makes that I don't agree with and it's that letting go of Kenny was a mistake.
Kenny imo was investing time and money on the wrong players. I mean Charlie Adam? Downing? Carroll?
While Kenny was in charge Flanagan was ahead of Wisdom. Rodgers comes in and pretty much told Flanagan that he's a limited player. (Something most of us saw early on).
Maybe he would have got it right in the summer, maybe he would have got Sturridge or maybe he would have gone and bought Stephen Fletcher. We'll never know.
I'm not saying that Kenny doesn't like attractive football, but maybe his footballing philosophy was a bit outdated.
Kenny imo was investing time and money on the wrong players. I mean Charlie Adam? Downing? Carroll?
While Kenny was in charge Flanagan was ahead of Wisdom. Rodgers comes in and pretty much told Flanagan that he's a limited player. (Something most of us saw early on).
Maybe he would have got it right in the summer, maybe he would have got Sturridge or maybe he would have gone and bought Stephen Fletcher. We'll never know.
I'm not saying that Kenny doesn't like attractive football, but maybe his footballing philosophy was a bit outdated.
Kenny unquestionably made mistakes, but (a) what manager doesn't? and (b) I don't think Digger's denying that Kenny got some things wrong. What Digger's saying, rightly IMO, was that Kenny wasn't given the time anybody would need to put their mistakes right. Had ManUre taken the same approach with Ferguson he wouldn't have lasted much (if any) longer than Kenny did second time around.
Yes, but not all managers deserve a second season. The amount Kenny spent on players in 6 months I think is unprecedented in Liverpool's 100 something year history.
All we got out of it was a league cup trophy and a FA cup trophy.
I think that was it for Kenny, the money spent and the return. Maybe Kenny was unlucky to have that French cunt doing the deals but someone has to "OK" them right?
Let's say that Kenny did what Brendan did this season, I'd be all for giving him a 2nd season in charge.
When THAT much needs to be in bold, the whole thing may as well be in bold!
If Rodgers had got the boot he'd be pilloried over the likes of Borini and Allen, and whoever took over would be hailed for 'rescuing' the potential of such players.
Yet you back Rafa who spent equally ludicrously in his final seasons and had over 5 years at it.
Yes.
He took us to the CL every year, well except for two years. The year we won it and the year he left.
He also started the rot Modo, he left us where we are now. Kenny took us to two finals so on that alone he deserved another season. Rafa had a horrendous first league campaign and people were calling for him to go despite the CL win, the win bought him time (rightly so).
Talks sense does Barnes, but nothing there I did not already think..
5 FA cup final appearances and only won 1 of them..
That must of pretty much pissed Barnsey off in his day
5 FA cup final appearances and only won 1 of them..
That must of pretty much pissed Barnsey off in his day
Let's not turn this into a Rafa debate.
Yes we were in trouble when he left but it's been piled on since then. The one hundred something million we spent during Kenny's return should have been enough to buy a CL place.
I know.
He'll get at least 2.5 seasons whiich nowadays is alot
This is only the 4th time since the Premier League started that we've scored 70 or more goals:
1995/96 (Evans) - 70 scored, 34 conceded; finished 3rd
2000/01 (Houllier) - 71 scored, 39 conceded, finished 3rd
2008/09 (Benitez) - 77 scored, 27 conceded, finished 2nd
2012/13 (Rodgers) - 70 scored, 43 conceded, one game to go but we'll finish 7th
Stats from lfchistory.net
1995/96 (Evans) - 70 scored, 34 conceded; finished 3rd
2000/01 (Houllier) - 71 scored, 39 conceded, finished 3rd
2008/09 (Benitez) - 77 scored, 27 conceded, finished 2nd
2012/13 (Rodgers) - 70 scored, 43 conceded, one game to go but we'll finish 7th
Stats from lfchistory.net
If Rodgers can improve the defense, this has the look of a potential dark horse next year in the race for 5th.
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Digger is spot on, as much as Rodgers annoys me with his musings the style of football is quite good.
I still think we need to add some steel to the team whether at CB or DM, so that when games aren't going well for our fotballing style we can still put it about and beat those teams that look to grind out draws.
Kenny did deserve another season but he didn't get one, so we got Rodgers in and although quite a few of his signings are poor I suppose he deserves another season. This coming season will determine whether he is the right man. He will have had enough time and transfer windows to get the right team for him and if he doesn't deliver then he will have to go at the end of the season. By deliver I mean challenging for the title up until just before christmas and then ending with a fight for 4th or higher. If we don't get it then at least we can see progress. I would also expect to go far in the cups as well.
Next season is a great chance, with all the new managers, no European football. We will also find out whether Bale is all he is cracked up to be as one he will be makred differently next season.
I still think we need to add some steel to the team whether at CB or DM, so that when games aren't going well for our fotballing style we can still put it about and beat those teams that look to grind out draws.
Kenny did deserve another season but he didn't get one, so we got Rodgers in and although quite a few of his signings are poor I suppose he deserves another season. This coming season will determine whether he is the right man. He will have had enough time and transfer windows to get the right team for him and if he doesn't deliver then he will have to go at the end of the season. By deliver I mean challenging for the title up until just before christmas and then ending with a fight for 4th or higher. If we don't get it then at least we can see progress. I would also expect to go far in the cups as well.
Next season is a great chance, with all the new managers, no European football. We will also find out whether Bale is all he is cracked up to be as one he will be makred differently next season.
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