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Ryan

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Not much talk about him is there?

I'd be inclined to sell him for fucking peanuts. It'd be more preferable than sitting through another season of 'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.

I'd have thought there would have been a touch more interest in him.
 
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
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And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

That's really ignoring the difference in attitude between the two players though. Babel has a shit load of raw talent, more than Lucas, but the difference in application, confidence and workrate between the two is staggeringly obvious.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34555.msg901010#msg901010 date=1246862332]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

That's really ignoring the difference in attitude between the two players though. Babel has a shit load of raw talent, more than Lucas, but the difference in application, confidence and workrate between the two is staggeringly obvious.
[/quote]

Is correct Mark.

Plus, I think Lucas is a better footballer than Babel.

Babel's just Cisse without the wife-beating.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34555.msg901010#msg901010 date=1246862332]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

That's really ignoring the difference in attitude between the two players though. Babel has a shit load of raw talent, more than Lucas, but the difference in application, confidence and workrate between the two is staggeringly obvious.
[/quote]

Babel has been saying the right things off the pitch the past year and though his 'body language' will NEVER say what you want it to say (as was a younger Stevie G), he can still win games by himself unlike almost any squad player we currently have. Yes, he lacks in confidence. I would do if I was being dropped the next game no matter how well I performed, as would most players.

Let's be honest, Rafa managed Babel poorly this past year because he was never given one extended run of 3 games in a row ... 3 games ... That's the kind of message you want to send a 22 year old player?

Some players don't have a great workrate, and can still be game changers. Just look at Cantona at Manure.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=34555.msg901014#msg901014 date=1246863109]
I know who I'd prefer taking a shot at goal, and it isn't the Brazilian.
[/quote]

I know who I'd prefer in centre-midfield and it isn't Rappin' Ryan.
 
lucas is shit and i'd rather see spearing play than him. babel has won us games whilst lucas has dropped us points. lucas has been treated better than babel by rafa.

all said and done rafa spent close to 20 million for players that he'd clearly never seen play. its not like babel has come here and dropped his natural game and lucas whilst maybe worth the risk should never be kept on this year but we all know he will because rafa likes him and not because of what he does on the pitch.
 
Why has this turned into a Lucas thread?
Don't ti just love how 'spearing is better than lucasl based on his starring roles for the reserves?

Oh and the fact that he's scouse too of course.

Anyway, babel.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

I wish LTW will stop using that Manure goal as an example of how badly Babel was treated by Rafa. He forgets how good Riera was in that match prior to being subbed. Riera earned his starting place for the next match. It was a superb debut by him.
 
There is little interest because the subject has been done to death.

It'll just go round in circles as it always does... some feel Babel hasn't done enough to deserve a chance, others feel that we haven't really done the most we can to get the best out of him... or at the very least, maximize the return on our investment when we sell him.

If he's going to have another season of sitting on the bench next year, we may as well just sell.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=34555.msg901011#msg901011 date=1246862544]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34555.msg901010#msg901010 date=1246862332]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

That's really ignoring the difference in attitude between the two players though. Babel has a shit load of raw talent, more than Lucas, but the difference in application, confidence and workrate between the two is staggeringly obvious.
[/quote]

Is correct Mark.

Plus, I think Lucas is a better footballer than Babel.

Babel's just Cisse without the wife-beating.
[/quote]

At least Cisse had the confidence in his own ability, even though he was wrong. Babel's body language and attitude, does not exude any confidence at all.
That's what really bugs me about him, if when he was given the chance he would ran round like a loony for whatever period he had left and really tried I could almost forgive him, but he looks like he has been teleported in from planet Zog and doesn't have a clue what is going on.
I am not sure if we will get any more than peanuts for him anyway, as you said there has been no one beating a path to our door for him, I suspect Rafa might have been counting on six or seven million for him too.

regards
 
Can anyone else think of a 10+ million plus signing who within his first two years for the club was never given a run of 3 starts in a row?
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901037#msg901037 date=1246868333]
Can anyone else think of a 10+ million plus signing who within his first two years for the club was never given a run of 3 starts in a row?
[/quote]

In fairness, he did start a lot of games in his first season.
 
I wouldn't sell him unless we got a decent fee. I think he's worth more as an option off the bench than say £1m or £2m.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34555.msg901038#msg901038 date=1246868493]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901037#msg901037 date=1246868333]
Can anyone else think of a 10+ million plus signing who within his first two years for the club was never given a run of 3 starts in a row?
[/quote]

In fairness, he did start a lot of games in his first season.
[/quote]

I'll take that as a no ...
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901040#msg901040 date=1246868820]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34555.msg901038#msg901038 date=1246868493]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901037#msg901037 date=1246868333]
Can anyone else think of a 10+ million plus signing who within his first two years for the club was never given a run of 3 starts in a row?
[/quote]

In fairness, he did start a lot of games in his first season.
[/quote]

I'll take that as a no ...
[/quote]

Heh, what?

Firstly, I'm on your side.

Secondly, I'm telling you the question is no good because he did start lots of games in a row in his first year.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34555.msg901042#msg901042 date=1246869228]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901040#msg901040 date=1246868820]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34555.msg901038#msg901038 date=1246868493]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901037#msg901037 date=1246868333]
Can anyone else think of a 10+ million plus signing who within his first two years for the club was never given a run of 3 starts in a row?
[/quote]

In fairness, he did start a lot of games in his first season.
[/quote]

I'll take that as a no ...
[/quote]

Heh, what?

Firstly, I'm on your side.

Secondly, I'm telling you the question is no good because he did start lots of games in a row in his first year.
[/quote]

I know you're a Babelite ... He got a lot of stars his first year, this I remember but he never played 3 games in a row as a starter.

I think however, as you (& even Spider Neil acknowledge), he has no future here ... unless something changes this year which I sadly cannot see happening.
 
Whats the point in selling him though? we'd get fuck all for him at present and he is a decent option as an impact sub, if he doesn't kick on we'll lose very little by keeping him another year and if he does get the finger out he has the potential to be top class and save us a fortune havng to spunk another 15-20M on another attacking risk
 
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=34555.msg901031#msg901031 date=1246867528]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

I wish LTW will stop using that Manure goal as an example of how badly Babel was treated by Rafa. He forgets how good Riera was in that match prior to being subbed. Riera earned his starting place for the next match. It was a superb debut by him.
[/quote]

A few points:

a) That's the difference between Riera and Babel. One will score important goals, and win games.
b) Babel started 'the next match'.
 
I am not a great Babel fan , it has to be said, but the squad is all too thin as it is and unless we get decent money and buy someone better, we may as well keep him

regards
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34555.msg901047#msg901047 date=1246869570]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901045#msg901045 date=1246869385]
I know you're a Babelite ... He got a lot of stars his first year, this I remember but he never played 3 games in a row as a starter.
[/quote]

He did man.... he got a couple runs in the side in the second half of his first season:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/gamelog?id=41418&season=2007&cc=5739


[/quote]

I take that back ole chap, thanks for pointing it out ... He did have a nice run there from Feb till April ...

Didn't realy he had 11 goals and 6 assists ... That really isn't bad for a 21 year old kid who rarely finished any start it seemed.
 
Im feeling all positive and im going to call it (for the third year running) his big year!

COME ON RYAN YA BIG DOPEY LOOKING CUNT!
 
I get annoyed just reading his name.
It seems like it would be a miracle if he now came good.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

You could argue the merits or pitfalls of both players until the cows come home. The main difference between them is that one tries his guts out while the other looks like he can't be arsed.
 
I think a good preseason will see a change in babel as he was very good in his debut season and poor in his second season, a second season that started with injury and no preseason.
I could be wrong, we'll find out soon enough.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=34555.msg901064#msg901064 date=1246870771]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=34555.msg901008#msg901008 date=1246862071]
'Should Babel be given a chance to prove himself?' from the usual apologists.
Click to expand...

And yet you continually go on about Lucas, defending him again the 'usual detractors'. Both players are ironically in a similar position, it's just Lucas is in the manager's good books, while Babel isn't. One player barely plays for Brazil, one is always involved in the Dutch national team etc etc etc

Case in point ... Babel scores a winning goal against Manure, and then wins the deciding penalty in the next game against Marseilles. What happens? Dropped.
[/quote]

You could argue the merits or pitfalls of both players until the cows come home. The main difference between them is that one tries his guts out while the other looks like he can't be arsed.
[/quote]

I think that's not a fair critrea to judge a player by ... If he gives it his all but he 'doesn't look like he can't be arsed', then I don't care. If he's training poorly, no issues with dropping him. If he's really not trying, then I obviously have no issues dropping him. BUT I highly doubt he isn't arsed when he's out there ...
 
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