Babel does have one saving grace!
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008763#msg1008763 date=1260238326]
Spudgun, would you like me to tell everyone that it was you who sent me the PM demanding I stop calling Dreamy "dreamy" cos it's aking to calling me "Ryanny"?
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Ha ha Ryanny is kinda funny.
Who is Spudgun?
Spudgun, would you like me to tell everyone that it was you who sent me the PM demanding I stop calling Dreamy "dreamy" cos it's aking to calling me "Ryanny"?
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Ha ha Ryanny is kinda funny.
Who is Spudgun?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008766#msg1008766 date=1260238387]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37752.msg1008755#msg1008755 date=1260237605]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008753#msg1008753 date=1260237348]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37752.msg1008750#msg1008750 date=1260236840]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008744#msg1008744 date=1260236272]
Here you go dreamy:
Insua
Torres
Kelly
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
N'gog
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Insua has proved nothing bar the fact that he's very average at best so far. I would have thought Rafa would improve his positonal play but even that has been missing.
Kelly has played what 2 games? How can you judge him?
Agger has not improved one bit in fact I'd say he's gone back. His passing from defence was excellant when he signed. It's anything but now.
Skittles - Has not improved either.
Lucas - thats just laughable.
N'Gog - still looks as rough around the edges as he did in pre season.
And that leaves your magical list with Torres, who a world class player with a world class attitude and he was that way when he arrived. If anything Torres has proven how poor Rafa is in this department. If you are not 100% professional and a model pro you are almost certain to fail under Rafa's guidance as a young player.
Yuor going to disagree and fair enough if you think Rafa's abilty with young players is anywhere near that of Ferguson or Wenger.
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Every one of those players is better now then when they first signed for us. We'd make a profit on everyone of them too.
Bang it.
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So we would make a profit on Skittles and the new Darren Anderton.
Rightio.......
And you still owe me an apology.
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We would make a profit on Agger and Skrtel.
It's true. We would.
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We wouldn't make anything on Skrtel. He won't make the first team at any of the top 6 teams (+ Spurs & City). Me thinks he's a flop.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008753#msg1008753 date=1260237348]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37752.msg1008750#msg1008750 date=1260236840]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008744#msg1008744 date=1260236272]
Here you go dreamy:
Insua
Torres
Kelly
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
N'gog
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Insua has proved nothing bar the fact that he's very average at best so far. I would have thought Rafa would improve his positonal play but even that has been missing.
Kelly has played what 2 games? How can you judge him?
Agger has not improved one bit in fact I'd say he's gone back. His passing from defence was excellant when he signed. It's anything but now.
Skittles - Has not improved either.
Lucas - thats just laughable.
N'Gog - still looks as rough around the edges as he did in pre season.
And that leaves your magical list with Torres, who a world class player with a world class attitude and he was that way when he arrived. If anything Torres has proven how poor Rafa is in this department. If you are not 100% professional and a model pro you are almost certain to fail under Rafa's guidance as a young player.
Yuor going to disagree and fair enough if you think Rafa's abilty with young players is anywhere near that of Ferguson or Wenger.
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Every one of those players is better now then when they first signed for us. We'd make a profit on everyone of them too.
Bang it.
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So we would make a profit on Skittles and the new Darren Anderton.
Rightio.......
And you still owe me an apology.
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We would make a profit on Agger and Skrtel.
It's true. We would.
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We wouldn't make anything on Skrtel. He won't make the first team at any of the top 6 teams (+ Spurs & City). Me thinks he's a flop.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008766#msg1008766 date=1260238387]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37752.msg1008755#msg1008755 date=1260237605]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008753#msg1008753 date=1260237348]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37752.msg1008750#msg1008750 date=1260236840]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008744#msg1008744 date=1260236272]
Here you go dreamy:
Insua
Torres
Kelly
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
N'gog
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Insua has proved nothing bar the fact that he's very average at best so far. I would have thought Rafa would improve his positonal play but even that has been missing.
Kelly has played what 2 games? How can you judge him?
Agger has not improved one bit in fact I'd say he's gone back. His passing from defence was excellant when he signed. It's anything but now.
Skittles - Has not improved either.
Lucas - thats just laughable.
N'Gog - still looks as rough around the edges as he did in pre season.
And that leaves your magical list with Torres, who a world class player with a world class attitude and he was that way when he arrived. If anything Torres has proven how poor Rafa is in this department. If you are not 100% professional and a model pro you are almost certain to fail under Rafa's guidance as a young player.
Yuor going to disagree and fair enough if you think Rafa's abilty with young players is anywhere near that of Ferguson or Wenger.
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Every one of those players is better now then when they first signed for us. We'd make a profit on everyone of them too.
Bang it.
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So we would make a profit on Skittles and the new Darren Anderton.
Rightio.......
And you still owe me an apology.
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We would make a profit on Agger and Skrtel.
It's true. We would.
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Nobody rates Skittles outside of Anfield and Agger is injured 90% of the time.
Who would pay more than what we did?
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008753#msg1008753 date=1260237348]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=37752.msg1008750#msg1008750 date=1260236840]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008744#msg1008744 date=1260236272]
Here you go dreamy:
Insua
Torres
Kelly
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
N'gog
[/quote]
Insua has proved nothing bar the fact that he's very average at best so far. I would have thought Rafa would improve his positonal play but even that has been missing.
Kelly has played what 2 games? How can you judge him?
Agger has not improved one bit in fact I'd say he's gone back. His passing from defence was excellant when he signed. It's anything but now.
Skittles - Has not improved either.
Lucas - thats just laughable.
N'Gog - still looks as rough around the edges as he did in pre season.
And that leaves your magical list with Torres, who a world class player with a world class attitude and he was that way when he arrived. If anything Torres has proven how poor Rafa is in this department. If you are not 100% professional and a model pro you are almost certain to fail under Rafa's guidance as a young player.
Yuor going to disagree and fair enough if you think Rafa's abilty with young players is anywhere near that of Ferguson or Wenger.
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Every one of those players is better now then when they first signed for us. We'd make a profit on everyone of them too.
Bang it.
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So we would make a profit on Skittles and the new Darren Anderton.
Rightio.......
And you still owe me an apology.
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We would make a profit on Agger and Skrtel.
It's true. We would.
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Nobody rates Skittles outside of Anfield and Agger is injured 90% of the time.
Who would pay more than what we did?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008766#msg1008766 date=1260238387]
We would make a profit on Agger and Skrtel.
It's true. We would.
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Lol, you had to bang on it, you do realize we'd make about as much profit on them as the market has changed. They were both very much unknowns and good business so they have a lot of potential to be excellent signings. But haven't improved much yet, stil young unproven internationals with very little to rest on there medal vest. And little real inflation price tag wise imo.
but Rafa ain't great at getting the best out of the youth. He's good at getting the best out of players in the prime. Gerrard, Alonso (fire under ass), Kuyt, Yossi, Riera (we'll see), Torres(mature and experienced for his age = i wonder about his longevity), Garcia
We would make a profit on Agger and Skrtel.
It's true. We would.
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Lol, you had to bang on it, you do realize we'd make about as much profit on them as the market has changed. They were both very much unknowns and good business so they have a lot of potential to be excellent signings. But haven't improved much yet, stil young unproven internationals with very little to rest on there medal vest. And little real inflation price tag wise imo.
but Rafa ain't great at getting the best out of the youth. He's good at getting the best out of players in the prime. Gerrard, Alonso (fire under ass), Kuyt, Yossi, Riera (we'll see), Torres(mature and experienced for his age = i wonder about his longevity), Garcia
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37752.msg1008674#msg1008674 date=1260230150]
Not saying he's any good, but I still see a role for him here.
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Christ, what a depressing admission.
Not saying he's any good, but I still see a role for him here.
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Christ, what a depressing admission.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008744#msg1008744 date=1260236272]
Here you go dreamy:
Insua
Torres
Kelly
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
N'gog
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insua? ha ha
Here you go dreamy:
Insua
Torres
Kelly
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
N'gog
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insua? ha ha
it makes me laugh when I hear people say 'if he was beteer he'd get more games' well how does that explain lucas and insua? they seem to get worse by the week.
what about kuyt who plays week in week and is now frankly chasing his own tail?
what about kuyt who plays week in week and is now frankly chasing his own tail?
[quote author=Spudgun link=topic=37752.msg1008749#msg1008749 date=1260236719]
2004
Alonso £10.75m - Excellent signing
Luis Garcia £6m - Decent
Josemi £2m - Poor
Nunez Free (part of Owen deal) - Poor
2005
Crouch £7m - Average
Reina £6m - Excellent
Momo £5.6m - Poor/average
Morientes £5.5m - Poor
Gonzlez £1.5m - Poor
Carson £0.75m - Poor
Barragan £0.25m - Poor
Zenden Free - Poor
Pellegrino Free - Poor
2006
Kuyt £9m - Average
Pennant £6.7m - Average
Bellamy £6m - Average/Good
Agger £5.8m - Excellent
Paletta £2m - Poor
Martin £0.25m - ?
El Zhar Free- ?
Aurelio Free - Good
KromKamp Free - Poor
Fowler Free - Poor
2007
Torres £20m - Excellent
Babel £11.5m - Poor
Lucas £6.75m- Poor
Banayoun £5m - Good
Arbeloa £2.6m - Good
Leto £2.5m - Poor
San Jose £0.25m - Poor
Mascherano £18m - Excellent
Voronin Free - Poor
Insua Free - Too early
2008
Keane £19m - Poor
Riera £8m - Excellent
Dossena £8m - Poor
Skrtel £6.5m - Good
Cavalieri £4m - Average
Ngog £1.5m - Too early
Degen Free - Poor
2009
Aquilani £20m - Too early/Excellent
Johnson £18.5m - Excellent
Kyriagos £1.5m - Average
Total £227.2m
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Hmmm...where to start with this one....
Crouch was a good signing...
You can tell San Jose is poor, but can't tell if El Zhar's any good, when Nabil has actually played in the first team and San Jose has not.
Why do you have /excellent beside Aqualani when he hasn't (really) played for us yet?
Riera was a better signing than Benayoun?
Pennant's signing was in the same batch as Kuyt's?
2004
Alonso £10.75m - Excellent signing
Luis Garcia £6m - Decent
Josemi £2m - Poor
Nunez Free (part of Owen deal) - Poor
2005
Crouch £7m - Average
Reina £6m - Excellent
Momo £5.6m - Poor/average
Morientes £5.5m - Poor
Gonzlez £1.5m - Poor
Carson £0.75m - Poor
Barragan £0.25m - Poor
Zenden Free - Poor
Pellegrino Free - Poor
2006
Kuyt £9m - Average
Pennant £6.7m - Average
Bellamy £6m - Average/Good
Agger £5.8m - Excellent
Paletta £2m - Poor
Martin £0.25m - ?
El Zhar Free- ?
Aurelio Free - Good
KromKamp Free - Poor
Fowler Free - Poor
2007
Torres £20m - Excellent
Babel £11.5m - Poor
Lucas £6.75m- Poor
Banayoun £5m - Good
Arbeloa £2.6m - Good
Leto £2.5m - Poor
San Jose £0.25m - Poor
Mascherano £18m - Excellent
Voronin Free - Poor
Insua Free - Too early
2008
Keane £19m - Poor
Riera £8m - Excellent
Dossena £8m - Poor
Skrtel £6.5m - Good
Cavalieri £4m - Average
Ngog £1.5m - Too early
Degen Free - Poor
2009
Aquilani £20m - Too early/Excellent
Johnson £18.5m - Excellent
Kyriagos £1.5m - Average
Total £227.2m
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Hmmm...where to start with this one....
Crouch was a good signing...
You can tell San Jose is poor, but can't tell if El Zhar's any good, when Nabil has actually played in the first team and San Jose has not.
Why do you have /excellent beside Aqualani when he hasn't (really) played for us yet?
Riera was a better signing than Benayoun?
Pennant's signing was in the same batch as Kuyt's?
rafa's signings have been a mixed bad of poor, good and excellent. pretty much like every manager the difference is with the likes of chelsea those signings have heavily offset with outgoings. I think its safe to say if rafa were given 227m in one lump sum the signings would be different.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37752.msg1008840#msg1008840 date=1260259973]
it makes me laugh when I hear people say 'if he was beteer he'd get more games' well how does that explain lucas and insua? they seem to get worse by the week.
what about kuyt who plays week in week and is now frankly chasing his own tail?
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Who would you have played with Riera, Yossi, Torres, Gerrard, Aquilani, Aurelio, Dossena, Johnson and Degen injured for large parts of the season so far and mostly at the same time?
it makes me laugh when I hear people say 'if he was beteer he'd get more games' well how does that explain lucas and insua? they seem to get worse by the week.
what about kuyt who plays week in week and is now frankly chasing his own tail?
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Who would you have played with Riera, Yossi, Torres, Gerrard, Aquilani, Aurelio, Dossena, Johnson and Degen injured for large parts of the season so far and mostly at the same time?
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Squiggles
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37752.msg1008674#msg1008674 date=1260230150]
Not saying he's any good, but I still see a role for him here.
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Christ, what a depressing admission.
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It is.
If we had any pace, attacking verve or creativity at the minute, I'd have no problem in sending him on his way. But seeing as we're playing uninspiring and depressing football, having someone on the bench who can offer a hint of directness and pace, I think, is a good thing.
It's not looking good for him year, but I still like to see him come on in the last 20 minutes.
He attracts more hostility than Voronin, which amazes me.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37752.msg1008674#msg1008674 date=1260230150]
Not saying he's any good, but I still see a role for him here.
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Christ, what a depressing admission.
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It is.
If we had any pace, attacking verve or creativity at the minute, I'd have no problem in sending him on his way. But seeing as we're playing uninspiring and depressing football, having someone on the bench who can offer a hint of directness and pace, I think, is a good thing.
It's not looking good for him year, but I still like to see him come on in the last 20 minutes.
He attracts more hostility than Voronin, which amazes me.
He's said the right thing, for once. But it's a bit rich someone who twitters inanely to the world and his wife every damn day to suddenly get sniffy over being quoted by the wrong paper. And if he thinks we'll believe that he's been misquoted every single time he's been away in Holland he must think we're all thicker than he is.
I hope Babel will be sold this coming transfer window.
T
the_khl
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Personally I thought the goals against Lyon would do wonders for him. And he really looked lively against Citeh at home before eventually getting injured.
Hopefully he'll come back soon and show his true worth.
Hopefully he'll come back soon and show his true worth.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37752.msg1009135#msg1009135 date=1260280972]
Personally I thought the goals against Lyon would do wonders for him. And he really looked lively against Citeh at home before eventually getting injured.
Hopefully he'll come back soon and show his true worth.
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Once again, you and I agree.
*whispers* just don't try to get me onside re: Drogba getting pole-axed by Evans lol !
Personally I thought the goals against Lyon would do wonders for him. And he really looked lively against Citeh at home before eventually getting injured.
Hopefully he'll come back soon and show his true worth.
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Once again, you and I agree.
*whispers* just don't try to get me onside re: Drogba getting pole-axed by Evans lol !
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37752.msg1009135#msg1009135 date=1260280972]
Personally I thought the goals against Lyon would do wonders for him.
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I didn't. It proved, yet again, he can twat the ball hard with the best of them. Unfortunately, when it comes to actually playing football, he still lacks the basic skills.
Personally I thought the goals against Lyon would do wonders for him.
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I didn't. It proved, yet again, he can twat the ball hard with the best of them. Unfortunately, when it comes to actually playing football, he still lacks the basic skills.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008763#msg1008763 date=1260238326]
Spudgun, would you like me to tell everyone that it was you who sent me the PM demanding I stop calling Dreamy "dreamy" cos it's aking to calling me "Ryanny"?
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Ha ha Ryanny is kinda funny.
Who is Spudgun?
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VIP?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37752.msg1008763#msg1008763 date=1260238326]
Spudgun, would you like me to tell everyone that it was you who sent me the PM demanding I stop calling Dreamy "dreamy" cos it's aking to calling me "Ryanny"?
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Ha ha Ryanny is kinda funny.
Who is Spudgun?
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VIP?
marky
spidey
brendan-ey
ryan-ey
just doesn't roll off the tounge
spidey
brendan-ey
ryan-ey
just doesn't roll off the tounge
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37752.msg1008840#msg1008840 date=1260259973]
it makes me laugh when I hear people say 'if he was beteer he'd get more games' well how does that explain lucas and insua? they seem to get worse by the week.
what about kuyt who plays week in week and is now frankly chasing his own tail?
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It shouldn't make you laugh, cos the three of them are better than the hapless Ryan Babel will ever be.
it makes me laugh when I hear people say 'if he was beteer he'd get more games' well how does that explain lucas and insua? they seem to get worse by the week.
what about kuyt who plays week in week and is now frankly chasing his own tail?
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It shouldn't make you laugh, cos the three of them are better than the hapless Ryan Babel will ever be.
[quote author=Spudgun link=topic=37752.msg1008749#msg1008749 date=1260236719]
2004
Alonso £10.75m - Excellent signing
Luis Garcia £6m - Decent
Josemi £2m - Poor
Nunez Free (part of Owen deal) - Poor
2005
Crouch £7m - Average
Reina £6m - Excellent
Momo £5.6m - Poor/average
Morientes £5.5m - Poor
Gonzlez £1.5m - Poor
Carson £0.75m - Poor
Barragan £0.25m - Poor
Zenden Free - Poor
Pellegrino Free - Poor
2006
Kuyt £9m - Average
Pennant £6.7m - Average
Bellamy £6m - Average/Good
Agger £5.8m - Excellent
Paletta £2m - Poor
Martin £0.25m - ?
El Zhar Free- ?
Aurelio Free - Good
KromKamp Free - Poor
Fowler Free - Poor
2007
Torres £20m - Excellent
Babel £11.5m - Poor
Lucas £6.75m- Poor
Banayoun £5m - Good
Arbeloa £2.6m - Good
Leto £2.5m - Poor
San Jose £0.25m - Poor
Mascherano £18m - Excellent
Voronin Free - Poor
Insua Free - Too early
2008
Keane £19m - Poor
Riera £8m - Excellent
Dossena £8m - Poor
Skrtel £6.5m - Good
Cavalieri £4m - Average
Ngog £1.5m - Too early
Degen Free - Poor
2009
Aquilani £20m - Too early/Excellent
Johnson £18.5m - Excellent
Kyriagos £1.5m - Average
Total £227.2m
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Zenden was poor and Riera on the other hand was excellent?
What did Bolo ever do wrong when he played here? He was Middlesbrough's player of the season when he joined us on a free transfer.
2004
Alonso £10.75m - Excellent signing
Luis Garcia £6m - Decent
Josemi £2m - Poor
Nunez Free (part of Owen deal) - Poor
2005
Crouch £7m - Average
Reina £6m - Excellent
Momo £5.6m - Poor/average
Morientes £5.5m - Poor
Gonzlez £1.5m - Poor
Carson £0.75m - Poor
Barragan £0.25m - Poor
Zenden Free - Poor
Pellegrino Free - Poor
2006
Kuyt £9m - Average
Pennant £6.7m - Average
Bellamy £6m - Average/Good
Agger £5.8m - Excellent
Paletta £2m - Poor
Martin £0.25m - ?
El Zhar Free- ?
Aurelio Free - Good
KromKamp Free - Poor
Fowler Free - Poor
2007
Torres £20m - Excellent
Babel £11.5m - Poor
Lucas £6.75m- Poor
Banayoun £5m - Good
Arbeloa £2.6m - Good
Leto £2.5m - Poor
San Jose £0.25m - Poor
Mascherano £18m - Excellent
Voronin Free - Poor
Insua Free - Too early
2008
Keane £19m - Poor
Riera £8m - Excellent
Dossena £8m - Poor
Skrtel £6.5m - Good
Cavalieri £4m - Average
Ngog £1.5m - Too early
Degen Free - Poor
2009
Aquilani £20m - Too early/Excellent
Johnson £18.5m - Excellent
Kyriagos £1.5m - Average
Total £227.2m
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Zenden was poor and Riera on the other hand was excellent?
What did Bolo ever do wrong when he played here? He was Middlesbrough's player of the season when he joined us on a free transfer.
He was given a free role at Boro to play where he wanted, take every set-piece and stroll about at his own pace - which was minimal - because he was too slow to play on the wing anymore
So Benitez played him on the wing. And he was fucking shit, just like every other winger he has ever bought
So Benitez played him on the wing. And he was fucking shit, just like every other winger he has ever bought
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