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Are we building on a Slur Alex model?

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Vlads Quiff

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no problems if we are, its going to be more expensive thing to copy. With Scholes retirement they showed a picture of Beckham , Giggs, Scholes Neville Butt and someone else. That went on to be the core of that team for years, and only now are the threads snapping. .
Our initial expensive outlay on young british talent could form the same sort of core, and just need topping up with the odd big signing every year, and maintain continuity.
It makes sense on several levels.
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Well, the direct parallel with that group of players would be a similar group coming through from the Academy. However, I do think we're starting to see that, and supplementing it with predominantly British talent makes a lot of sense.
 
It make financial sense and the owners would like that. If it goes wrong we have a massive issue with a squad full of English players who aren't good enough to win the league and every season continue looking for the last 2-3 players of the jigsaw.
 
You're never going to be free of that risk though - nobody is. I don't see that the risk itself is greater because the players are mostly English. In fact I'd say the chances are that the opposite is the case.
 
Looking at our youths and reserves and seeing the likes of Suso, Sterling, Robinson, Flanagan, Coady, Wisdom, Morgan etc makes the next few years and especially this pre-season a bit interesting.
We've also signed two exciting youth players from Ireland, Ryan McLaughlin and Alex O'Hanlon.
 
I think in the short term the benefit of having talented reserves is the money they will save the club buying squad players to pad out the squad. if you can trust these youngsters to pull up the slack during an injury crisis that leaves you free to spend the majority of your transfer kitty on select quality that will instanstly improve the quality of the first team. our problem is for a very long time we have been incrementally improving our first team because we've been buying average players to pad out the squad.
 
im just a bit worried about players from the reserves coming through now, i cant see morgan getting a chance anytime soon just because of how much money we have invested up front, and the midfields so congested spearings started to feel cramped
 
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I think in the short term the benefit of having talented reserves is the money they will save the club buying squad players to pad out the squad. if you can trust these youngsters to pull up the slack during an injury crisis that leaves you free to spend the majority of your transfer kitty on select quality that will instanstly improve the quality of the first team. our problem is for a very long time we have been incrementally improving our first team because we've been buying average players to pad out the squad.
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Very true and we've also been burdened by not winning the title for 20 years. Therefore we haven't been able to take to many risks.

BTW Welcome back stranger.
 
I'm not sure that shelling billions on foetuses with spiky hair and fake tans is the way forward.
 
With only domestic games to play for next season, it's better to buy players who are ready for the english games from day 1.

We used to buy many squad players because we need to rotate the players for domestic and european games.
 
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With only domestic games to play for next season, it's better to buy players who are ready for the english games from day 1.

We used to buy many squad players because we need to rotate the players for domestic and european games.
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Little short termism considering we're aiming to be in the CL the following season.
 
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I think in the short term the benefit of having talented reserves is the money they will save the club buying squad players to pad out the squad. if you can trust these youngsters to pull up the slack during an injury crisis that leaves you free to spend the majority of your transfer kitty on select quality that will instanstly improve the quality of the first team. our problem is for a very long time we have been incrementally improving our first team because we've been buying average players to pad out the squad.
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This - exactly. Last season we spent on Konchesky, but it was Robinson who did the job. We spent on Poulsen but he was embarrassing and Spearing handled that position. We have wasted a lot of money over the last 10 years on fringe players (3-8 million at a time just to serve as backup), now we should be trusting our youngsters. I am happy with the owners' policy of buying younger players - I hope it does not become English priority. As JJ rightly points out there's a little less risk with English players, but a couple more Suarez-types would not go amiss. Glad to see Neil posting again.
 
I think all clubs would love their youth system to produce Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Neville... but it isn't easy to do and rarely happens.

West Ham had a purple patch with Ferdinand, Johnson, Carrick, Lampard, Defoe...

We have a chance of having something similar with Coady, Sterling, Morgan, Ngoo, Wisdom, Suso, Kelly, Flanagan etc etc. Who knows who will make it, but they all have a very good chance.

However I do think we might be building on the Slur Alex model in buying the best British talent. Young players who can play for the club for 10+ years. They did it with Ferdinand, Carrick, Rooney, Smalling - now Jones ... players that cost big, but have had or will have important roles for a long time.

Carroll and Henderson will hopefully play for us for 10 years and at the end of that time, we'll be thanking their contributions for us winning us trophies rather than how much they cost us.
 
Kenny has built a championship winning squad before and has the experience so I'm gonna trust him to deliver.

Henderson in and Charlie Adam to follow guarantees Poulsen is all but gone.

I'm interested to see how Kenny accomodates Gerrard and Ming especially if we bring in a big name frontline player.
 
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Looking at our youths and reserves and seeing the likes of Suso, Sterling, Robinson, Flanagan, Coady, Wisdom, Morgan etc makes the next few years and especially this pre-season a bit interesting.
We've also signed two exciting youth players from Ireland, Ryan McLaughlin and Alex O'Hanlon.
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The Northern Ireland football team may have gone through a tough time lately, but there is hope on the horizon with several gifted youngsters coming through the ranks. Today we talk to one of our brightest young talents, assess others who could make the grade and speak to Northern Ireland's most capped international about how he sees the years ahead for his country

When Kenny Dalglish was here back in August to support Liverpool FC's Soccer Schools in Northern Ireland, he spoke enthusiastically about young Belfast boy Ryan McLaughlin.

Three months on the Merseyside club's Academy Director Frank McParland tells me that the teenager continues to make excellent progress.


Good news for Liverpool and Northern Ireland.

It's clear that 17-year-old right-back McLaughlin has a lot of ability on a football pitch.

The former St Mary's CBGS pupil also has much to commend off it.

He's a level headed kid. Mannerly too, determined to work hard and learn.

McLaughlin only joined the Reds in the summer, when he was 16, yet already has played at reserve team level and in the Next Generation tournament, which is essentially a Champions League type event for under-19s.

The movers and shakers at Liverpool like his attitude and have not been afraid to promote him to play alongside older boys.
The same goes for those who are in charge of the Northern Ireland youth sides.

Recently McLaughlin, whose favourite player is Barcelona's Daniel Alves, impressed for his country in the under-19 European Championships, even scoring against Belarus.

It's in the genes, of course, because McLaughlin's older brother Conor, who is at Preston, made his senior Northern Ireland debut in the 3-0 defeat to Italy in the Euro 2012 qualifier — Nigel Worthington's final match as boss.

Just like when Jonny and Corry Evans were coming through, there is a hope amongst Northern Ireland fans that other siblings will be wearing the green shirt.

“It was a big moment for Conor and the family when he made his international debut against Italy. He came off the bench and really enjoyed it. He also got Giuseppi Rossi's shirt at the end of the game,” says Ryan, with brotherly pride.

“Hopefully I can follow in his footsteps into the senior side and play alongside him.”

If Conor provides inspiration at international level, fellow right-backs Martin Kelly and John Flanagan have shown the way at club level, going from the Academy to the first team at Anfield.

“Martin Kelly and John Flanagan have made great strides. When you see players like that come through the Academy in your position it gives you hope about what can be achieved if you keep putting the work in every day,” says McLaughlin, who has adapted to life in a new city.

He adds: “I'm enjoying being at Liverpool. It was a bit daunting at first joining one of the biggest clubs in the world but I've settled in fine and am loving it
. The facilities at the Academy here are great and the pitches are always in top condition. It really is a brilliant place to be and has a real family atmosphere.

“In games things have been going well for me and playing in the Next Generation tournament has been a fantastic experience. You are facing European players which helps you learn different styles and we get to play our home games at Anfield which is brilliant.

“As a city Liverpool is a lot like Belfast. The people here are very friendly,” adds Ryan, who under the club's guidance attends college to study a BTEC course in sports science.

“It's good to do and is something to fall back on if things don't work out,” he says.


With his attitude and ability, you get the feeling things WILL work out for this engaging boy from Belfast. He has a bright future ahead. Good news for Liverpool and Northern Ireland.
 
17 yr old full-back Ryan McLaughlin has been named in the Northern Ireland U21 squad for their game against Macedonia this month. McLaughlin has previously represented Northern Ireland at U16, U17 and U19 levels. He's been outstanding since joining Liverpool.
 
It's often overlooked that many young players for the mancs and other youth set ups end up elsewhere. Getting into the first team isn't the only measure of success for a youth system. If the vast majority play at the top level, or near enough, and some move on for a fee and/or sell-on agreement, that's exceptionally good work. And as for our own prospective first teamers, as Vlad suggests, the potential is definitely there, and it's great to see.
 
We haven't been completely shy of that in recent years either, not to anywhere near the same degree, but we've seen players like Warnock, Guthrie, Whitbread and Ayala move on and do really well.
 
Re: Are we building on a Slur Alex model?

It doesnt really matter if they never get a chance.
The last 19 year old who played regularly for the first team was Gerrard.
 
The model that slur alex set - is also being used by Barcalona right now - so it has a lot of merit, the problem is that these days you have the rich mercenary clubs who build a team full of experienced and exceptionally talented players - Real Madrid, Man City, an of course Chelsea did it earlier on. It don't always work though as Arsenal have struggled with such a model even though it ain't exactly the same as many of thei youth players are no English.
 
Morrison has been charged by the FA.

West Ham United’s Ravel Morrison has been charged under FA Rule E3 for use of abusive and/or insulting words including a reference to a person’s sexual orientation.

Morrison has until 4pm on 17 February 2012 to respond to the charge.
 
Ravel Morrison is back under the spotlight before he has even made his West Ham debut after being charged for using 'homophobic' language on Twitter.

Morrison faces a fine from the Football Association after taking to his micro-blogging account to describe someone as a 'f*****'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ed-homophobic-Twitter-slur.html#ixzz1mRp3zLLM.

Fucking hell a faggot I presume, I hope it wasn't Evra they will bring back the death penalty.

If I was him my defence would be he called him a meat product traditionally made from pig's heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavouring and sometimes bread crumbs. The mixture is shaped in the hand into balls, wrapped round with caul fat (the omentum membrane from the pig's abdomen), and baked, and that anything to do with gayers did not enter his mind.......

Although the FA might find any faggott and unreliable witness given they are made from all that shite 😉

regards
 
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The model that slur alex set - is also being used by Barcalona right now - so it has a lot of merit, the problem is that these days you have the rich mercenary clubs who build a team full of experienced and exceptionally talented players - Real Madrid, Man City, an of course Chelsea did it earlier on. It don't always work though as Arsenal have struggled with such a model even though it ain't exactly the same as many of thei youth players are no English.
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I dont think thats quite accurate, Barca have aspired to emulate the Ajax youth system for quite sometime now since Cryuffs time there, and they are finally reaping the rewards. There is a difference between that and the Ferguson coached crop of players that came through Utd in the mid 90s, firstly its that the Barca system, like the Ajax one, is a system, it produces players who play in a particular way so that they are ready to go from the reserves to the first team. In his 3 years at Barca Pep has promoted over 20 players from the the reserves to the first team, obviously they didnt all stay there but thats a remarkably high number, Utd never had anything like that even in their academy heyday. You can also see a conveyor belt of similar players Xavi to Iniesta to Fabregas to Thiago

The Utd players were not of a similar mould at all, Beckham was a one paced hollywood ball specialist, scholes a fantastic old school central midfielder who could pass the ball all day long, giggs a flying winger and butt a midfield spoiler without much of a footballing brain. Have they produced a single player that could be considered a natural successor to any of those in nearly two decades since? Also you have to factor in that Ferguson pretty much abandoned that system over 10 years ago, their record of producing first team players from academy graduates recently is almost as bad as ours. British players are vastly over priced and technically inferior to their foreign counterparts

So then the question would have to be asked, if we are seeking to emulate a system why are we trying to emulate one that
 
There still coming out of their youth system - I don't think Man U 10 years ago was any different - I only notice a difference if you have to pay for the players in question. I don't think we are emulating what United did back then anyway - we are just buying at a high price from other clubs and really have not done a good job of it - I mean Henderson ? I really don't know.
 
I don't think the comparison works and I'm not quite sure as to what the "Man Utd model" is in the context of this thread as people seem to be talking about different things.

I think we've looked at the new home grown rules (as have Utd with the purchases of Smalling, Jones and Young) and figured we need to establish an English core to the side whilst acknowledging that our youth system can't be trusted with that responsibility.
 
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