Andy Dunn Article: LFC MUST Consider The Special One
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He likes to go for wins. He just happen to make it look easy.
He won not only the Portuguese league but Bigears itself with a Porto team which was pretty basic compared to the Barcas of this world. OK, that was at the start of his career and maybe he wouldn't fancy that kind of project any more, but does anybody actually *know* he wouldn't?
hardly makes it look easy but going to teams like chelsea, inter milan and real madrid is hardly mid table teams. When he took over chelsea they had finished 3rd or 4th the previous season, inter milan were the number one team in italy and real madrid were number 2. And he had plenty of money to spend.
Porto and Inter were not the top drawers of the CL, and Chelsea had won fuck all despite Romans money before he came. Barca had won the league 4 or 5 in a row before Mourinho.
The main one i'll give him is Porto because they were a nobody team and to win the champions league was amazing. They may had one fuck all, but that was more to do with the tinkerman than the team. He kept on messing up so bad it was unreal. He was giving a shit load of money to spend and brought in quality players. and won the league, but was unable to win the champions league. Then he made the criminal mistake of changing the winning formula of duff and robben and things started going to shit and he didn't know how to fix it and chelsea started their slide. Inter had won serie A the last two years running under mancini but failed in the champions league. but credit to him for winning the treble. but he knew he had a ageing squad and bailed. joins real madrid with loads of more money to spend and finally wins la liga. Once again things haven't started to go bad and he doesn't know how to fix it. Oh look lets bail again and go back to england.
He gets itchy feet as soon as people get bored of him or things start going downhill, it'd be fun while it lasted but no thanks.
Well, no, you can't know. But has he taken any job similar since Porto?
Porto actually weren't in as bad a shape as us either. And that was his first job.
I don't think he'll ever take a job with a team outside of the CL.
This basically sums up why he will continue to run from club to club, maybe some of the criticism is unnecessary but I agree with the overall thought that he's just like a guy that isn't ready to settle down - in it for the honeymoon period and the good times but never really planning for the long term.
I think people give him far to little credit. If it was so easy for Chelsea to win, why did they need him? Inter had been poo in Europe to he took over, and Real spent equaly much before he arrived without clinching the league. And then seeing us in between Stoke and Swansea and hearing people saying No thank you to Mourinho is a bit comical.
I agree. Money alone is not enough. It still needs to be spent on the right players and they still have to be brought together into a cohesive squad. I'm not in the "Rodgers Out" camp at all, but if the LFC job were to fall vacant I would take Mourinho in a heartbeat.
I don't think anyone argues about what he can do with teams but he peaks and leaves over and over, I don't want that at Liverpool along with the Mourinho sideshow and aftermath. What should we do? Ditch our current sustainable approach and buy a load of 27 year olds on monster wages so we can win stuff for a season and become another short paragraph on his c.v.?
Have you seen the la liga table now? My bet is he reckons he's peaked and he'll probably leave pretty soon now it's not going his way any more. He'll be hoping for a champions league win though to bow out in glory.
1. Barca 65
2. Athletico 53
3. Real 49
I find a bit daft using that league table as proof that Mourinho cant cut it and in the same post mentioning that we have a sustainable approach were we lie in 8th about 50 points of the lead.
I have lived in Madrid. For him, with his approach to football it is a fucking miracle he has survived, even bigger one that he got a new contract. Yes he wants a CL win. If we were in CL we would want that too. But the sad news is that we cant even qualify for Euro League next season. And that my friend is part of the reason that we cant offer fantasy wages and not find the right players to pay them to either.
Listen, i do respect that people dont want Mourinho here. I must say I am sceptical too. But imagine two things; First of all we would be the new media favourites, and we could definately need some of that. Second of all if there is any club so special that the special one could find a home it is us. For now. Two three more seasons of tiki taka us to another midtable position and I am afraid not. And Mourinho at LFC and the media turning out at our doorstep would make Demento go absolutely crazy. I dont think people know how big circus Mourinho are in the world of football and what players it could attract on that name alone.
Its a moot point anyway imho. As Mourinho will pick his next team like he's done the whole way of his career. Money.
At Porto, Chelsea, Inter and now Real he has been able to spend massive sums of money.
I'd love if he took on a job like ours where he has to really show what he's made of as a manager.
But imho, that wont happen.
He'll go to City.
At Porto, Chelsea, Inter and now Real he has been able to spend massive sums of money.
I'd love if he took on a job like ours where he has to really show what he's made of as a manager.
But imho, that wont happen.
He'll go to City.
It is a very daft argument. Why dont rather call it that he has chosen to go for golden opportunities.
All manager want money to buy the best players. But there is a reason not everyone is given those opportunities. Why on earth do you think these clubs appointed him in the first place? Moyes were there, and he wouldn't cost half as much or probably be too demanding in the transfer market either.
What the hell is wrong with people? Why did Rodgers choose Liverpool? Not becuase we were miles ahead of Swansea in the league was it? Nah he was lurking around for our money.
My point is that there is a reason he is given access to this money. There is a reason why boards are willing to finance his projects. And that is because they deliver trophies. Simple as that. The media loves it and players love itl It would be exactly what we would need at our club, and I wish the board was willing to spend those moeny, getting us back into the CL and possibly win something. If it doesnt last more than 3 years so fucking be it.
So there lies one of the huge problems with the club. The owners and the board are not prepared to set the club for success. They went for a cheap solution and desperately try to sell the fans the sustainability card. They want to cash in on the club and brand, but they are not willing to put in their part.
The owners have provided the funds. We just spent a very large part of it in a horrific way.
Where you've got it wrong is that you see this as owners funding Mourniho's project - it's not - they bring him in to manage their lavish spending
As the article a page or so ago states - his ability is to deliver short term success - at an unsustainable level for just about any club in the world.
I still think he'll be at PSG next season
I love the lack of respect for Jose.
And I love how people forget not only did he win the CL with porto but he did the double with Porto the year before with the Uefa cup.
And it laughable how little respect he gets for winning the CL at Inter while taking home the treble. Inter had been piss poor in the CL for a decade.
Then he goes to a Madrid side on the slide for years and full of expensive flops. A club where each of the previous few managers didn't last more than a year.
What does he do? He wins the league inside 2 years and still has people saying he's overrated.
I remember clearly people saying if he went to Madrid and won the league then he's get credit as at the time Barca were so far ahead of Madrid yet he still gets no love.
It's baffling.
As for the comment that he needs to do it a club outside the CL or a lowly club again to be seen as great, why the fuck would the most successful manager in football for the last 20 odd years need to take 4 steps back just to prove to some stubborn people he is in fact the best.
If you worked your ass off to climb the coporate ladder would you take a massive demotion and pay cut just to prove to some people you were as good as your results constantly prove?
And finally you have the old tired point of him never staying anywhere long term?
Well lets break it down
Porto (always a stepping stone in his career everyone knows that and he used to get the chance he wanted at a bigger club.)
Chelsea (He was very happy there won the league twcie and only for 1 certain Rafa Benitez would have won the CL (we stuffed them over twice) He was fired(he didnt leave) by an owner who has fired everyone since and a couple before him each inside 6 months. It's bordering on insanity that people expected any manager to last there. Jose last almost 3 years which is well over 2 years more than anyone else since. Even now the much loved Rafa is going to be handed his p45 in the next 3 months no doubt about it. Some owners are just impossible to please and Chelsea have 1 of those.
Inter - Again like Chelsea and Porto won things the club had been trying to win for years (this time the CL) and yet the board were not happy. Again proof of this has been the number of managers to come and go there since he left. Rafa got what 4 months? Some owners just don't like giving full control (god I'd love to have seen Jose with Moores and Parry, they'd have just given him whatever he wanted with no tinkering, the way it should be.
Madird - the Fact people even mention the fact he's leaving there is the ultimate piss take. Madrid has and will be for a very long time a time bomb. No manager lasts with or without success (as Capello can testify to)
So there you have 3 of the toughest places to manage and even though he brought them all success some incredible success he's still questioned. Can you imagine Fergie or Arsene lasting with the bullshit Jose puts up with on a weekly basis?
Lest you forget Chelsea now want him back and every single club in the world would ask him to come if they were managerless in the morning yet for some LFC fans he's not the right fit?
I've watched those cnuts over the road lift the title 14 times since we last lifted it and would take him in a New York minute as I know he would bring success and relatively quickly when you compare it to Rafa's and Ged's before him 5 year plan which ultimately ended in no league title.
The man sh*ts league titles.
And I love how people forget not only did he win the CL with porto but he did the double with Porto the year before with the Uefa cup.
And it laughable how little respect he gets for winning the CL at Inter while taking home the treble. Inter had been piss poor in the CL for a decade.
Then he goes to a Madrid side on the slide for years and full of expensive flops. A club where each of the previous few managers didn't last more than a year.
What does he do? He wins the league inside 2 years and still has people saying he's overrated.
I remember clearly people saying if he went to Madrid and won the league then he's get credit as at the time Barca were so far ahead of Madrid yet he still gets no love.
It's baffling.
As for the comment that he needs to do it a club outside the CL or a lowly club again to be seen as great, why the fuck would the most successful manager in football for the last 20 odd years need to take 4 steps back just to prove to some stubborn people he is in fact the best.
If you worked your ass off to climb the coporate ladder would you take a massive demotion and pay cut just to prove to some people you were as good as your results constantly prove?
And finally you have the old tired point of him never staying anywhere long term?
Well lets break it down
Porto (always a stepping stone in his career everyone knows that and he used to get the chance he wanted at a bigger club.)
Chelsea (He was very happy there won the league twcie and only for 1 certain Rafa Benitez would have won the CL (we stuffed them over twice) He was fired(he didnt leave) by an owner who has fired everyone since and a couple before him each inside 6 months. It's bordering on insanity that people expected any manager to last there. Jose last almost 3 years which is well over 2 years more than anyone else since. Even now the much loved Rafa is going to be handed his p45 in the next 3 months no doubt about it. Some owners are just impossible to please and Chelsea have 1 of those.
Inter - Again like Chelsea and Porto won things the club had been trying to win for years (this time the CL) and yet the board were not happy. Again proof of this has been the number of managers to come and go there since he left. Rafa got what 4 months? Some owners just don't like giving full control (god I'd love to have seen Jose with Moores and Parry, they'd have just given him whatever he wanted with no tinkering, the way it should be.
Madird - the Fact people even mention the fact he's leaving there is the ultimate piss take. Madrid has and will be for a very long time a time bomb. No manager lasts with or without success (as Capello can testify to)
So there you have 3 of the toughest places to manage and even though he brought them all success some incredible success he's still questioned. Can you imagine Fergie or Arsene lasting with the bullshit Jose puts up with on a weekly basis?
Lest you forget Chelsea now want him back and every single club in the world would ask him to come if they were managerless in the morning yet for some LFC fans he's not the right fit?
I've watched those cnuts over the road lift the title 14 times since we last lifted it and would take him in a New York minute as I know he would bring success and relatively quickly when you compare it to Rafa's and Ged's before him 5 year plan which ultimately ended in no league title.
The man sh*ts league titles.
I love how people who seem to know very little about football beyond their narrow scope of focus feel that they can tell us how it is based on bits and pieces they've picked up along the way.
That Madrid side on the slide for years had just achieved a RECORD La Liga points total that would've won them the title any other year and only lost out because Barca bettered it by 3 points. And somehow, I'm not quite sure how, they managed to do this despite having to contend with expensive flops such as Ronaldo, Alonso and Benzema littering up their squad.
Isn't the question: Would the Special One consider Liverpool FC?
And we should consider pairing Messi and Falcao up front too.
I believe Andy Dunn's next article will be 'Silver Sean considering setting up home with Natalie Portman'
Both have the same likelihood.
Both have the same likelihood.
It's all relative and A madird side not winning the league for that length of time equals a team on the slide.
And nice work on picking out 1 point to argue the point that Jose isn't the best in the business as he clearly is.
I remember a season when Liverpool recorded enough points to win the league on 6 out of the previous 7 years but it meant fuck all as Utd were crowned champions.
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