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Andre Villas Boas and Tomas Tuchel

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A month old article by Marcotti

Some coaches get their shot with a major club at a relatively tender age (in coaching years, anyway). Barcelona's Pep Guardiola was 37 when he got the gig.

And there are those who get a crack at the big time without ever having played beyond amaetur level, like Aston Villa's Gerard Houllier. There's another, smaller subset which includes those who advanced to top jobs with little or no head-coaching experience, like Real Madrid's Jose Mourinho when he took over at Benfica.

But the above examples are all rare. Rarer still is a guy like Porto boss Andre Villas Boas, who falls squarely in all three categories and, if his vertical ascent continues, could herald a change in the way clubs recruit managers.

Mr. Villas Boas's side goes for its 12th consecutive win in a competitive match on Monday night when it makes the short drive inland to take on Vitoria Guimaraes. Right now, Porto is 11 for 11 in the Portuguese League, Europa League and Portuguese SuperCup. What's more, it has shut out the opposition in all but two games. And it did it despite the departure of two stalwarts – defender Bruno Alves and midfielder Raul Meireles – over the summer.

All of this is remarkable enough until you consider that Mr. Villas Boas is just 33 years old and, prior to this season, had just 23 league games' worth of managerial experience, all of them at Academica Coimbra, the provincial club which appointed him just over a year ago. When he took charge of Academica, it was winless and dead last. By the time the season was over, Mr. Villas Boas had guided it to respectability (11th place in the 16-team league) and to the semifinal of the Portuguese League Cup.

It was enough for Porto – one of the traditional Portuguese giants – to put its eggs in Mr. Villas Boas's basket in an attempt to bounce back from a rare season which saw it finish third, only the second time since 2002 that it failed to win the league.

Mr. Villas Boas was still a teenager when he started working in Porto's scouting department way back in the mid-1990s. The club was impressed both by the breadth of his tactical understanding and his ability to produce scouting reports players could digest easily. Yet he may never have gone any further if, in early 2002, the club had not turned to Mr. Mourinho, himself an unorthodox rising star of management. Mr. Mourinho took him under his wing, making Mr. Villas Boas an integral part of his staff, both at Porto, where he won two league titles, the Champions League and the UEFA Cup and later during his successful spells at Chelsea and Inter Milan. By the time he moved to Chelsea, Mr. Villas Boas's pre-match scouting included personalized DVDs for each player, outlining their direct opponent in the next game, including strengths, weaknesses and tendencies.

Given Mr. Mourinho's reputation, it was quite the calling card, and Mr. Villas Boas openly admits that it helped him land the Academica job. But he bristles at those who consider him Luke Skywalker to Mourinho's Yoda. Or, among his detractors, Mini Me to the self-anointed "Special One's" Dr. Evil.

While Mr. Villas Boas employs the 4-3-3 formation Mr. Mourinho used to such great effect at Chelsea, it's a more fluid system, with the wingers often turning into strikers. He lacks Mr. Mourinho's charisma – that unparalleled ability to seduce players, media and fans – and comes across as less confrontational and self-assured. On the other hand, he may be more tactically sophisticated and his Porto squad attacks more than Mourinho's teams at Chelsea and Inter (the jury's still out on Real Madrid).

It's tempting to call Mr. Villas Boas soccer's answer to Theo Epstein, who rose from the San Diego Padres' public relations department to become general manager of the Boston Red Sox at age 29. Both are outsiders who brought a novel approach to understanding the sport and landed important jobs at a young age. But the crucial difference is that Mr. Villas Boas's role is far more hands-on, running training sessions and making all the game-day decisions.

He's an interloper in the inner sanctum, having never played the game at any significant level. And while he's not the first to do so, those who came before him, like Mr. Houllier, served long apprenticeships working their way up through the lower leagues.

Mr. Villas Boas's appointment obviously owes a lot to his mentor. But it's also a bold move, a striking departure from the groupthink and conventional wisdom so prevalent in soccer. You'll know whether it worked the day you read a profile of Mr. Villas Boas that does not mention Mr. Mourinho.

A Budding Brain in the Bundesliga

Another young manager is making waves in Germany's Bundesliga. Saturday's 4-2 win over Hoffenheim made it seven straight wins to start the season for Thomas Tuchel and Mainz, matching a record held by Bayern Munich (1995-96) and Kaiserslautern (2001-02). It's particularly remarkable when you consider that the 37-year-old Mr. Tuchel is only in his second season as manager and that Mainz is historically a small club with a shoestring budget. (It only gained promotion to the Bundesliga two years ago.)

LIke Mr. Villas-Boas, Mr. Tuchel's path to the top has been somewhat unorthodox. When forced to retire from injury at 24, he chose to enroll in university while coaching youth teams on the side and tending bar a few nights a week to pay his tuition. He soon developed a reputation as a workaholic talent-spotter with a knack for developing players. Mainz appointed him last summer and now, in his second season in charge, he sits atop the Bundesliga.

Mr. Tuchel's formula for success is a blend of tactical know-how and flexibility (he often switches formations several times in the course of a single game), hard work (he spends four to five hours a day reviewing film, both games and training sessions) and some new-age management techniques (he demands players look each other in the eye when greeting one another and everyone gets addresed by their first name.)

The Bundesliga is perhaps the most balanced and unpredictable of Europe's top leagues, so it's too early to crown Mr. Tuchel as the next big thing. But Mainz has already beaten such heavyweights as Werder Bremen, Bayern Munich and Wolfsburg (the last two on the road), suggesting that perhaps the hype is not entirely misplaced.

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Boas' got a little bit of Mourinho in him it seems. Sent of for the 2nd time this season, given a 10 day ban.

Portugal: FC Porto v Vitória FC (Monday, 20.45)

André Villas-Boas's fairy-tale campaign continues, with the 33-year-old coach still undefeated in all competitions since arriving Porto in the summer. The Estádio do Dragão outfit, already qualified for the UEFA Europa League knockout stage as Group L winners, have recorded 19 victories in 22 matches this term and lead the Portuguese Liga with an eight-point advantage over champions SL Benfica. One of the keys to their impressive run has been the defence, with a meagre five league goals conceded, against 28 scored. Given that Vitória's last win against Porto dates back to 1989, Villas-Boas should improve on his dream start at the expense of the 13th-placed Setubal team.

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On a sidenote, one of the fan sites hinted at us being in touch with his representatives earlier this week.
 
there actually seems to be loads of these very promising managers about in europe right now, so you do have to wonder firstly why the fuck we appointed hodgson in the first place, and secondly just what's stopping NESV from appointing one of them now.

i keep hearing that they need to take months and months to search for the best candidate...why exactly? all these great options are obvious enough to all of us, so i don't know why they can't see them. it's simple enough: study their records, draw up a shortlist, get them in for interview, give one of them the job. i really don't see why that should take more than a month, or 2, max.

just fucking do it.
 
You have to allow for slippage in that schedule though, when the guys you want to choose from are almost certainly going to be under contract already. First you have to find out (under the radar as far as possible, which isn't easy and needs great care) which of them would be interested at least in principle. Then negotiations will be needed not only with them/their agents but also with their current clubs and may well take considerable time.
 
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there actually seems to be loads of these very promising managers about in europe right now, so you do have to wonder firstly why the fuck we appointed hodgson in the first place? [/quote]

'safe hands'

like jazz hands but safer...
 
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You have to allow for slippage in that schedule though, when the guys you want to choose from are almost certainly going to be under contract already. First you have to find out (under the radar as far as possible, which isn't easy and needs great care) which of them would be interested at least in principle. Then negotiations will be needed not only with them/their agents but also with their current clubs and may well take considerable time.
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well, i'm not dismissing those factors, but at the end of the day, spurs got ramos in quickly enough, didn't they? and he's just one of dozens of examples.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42721.msg1228291#msg1228291 date=1291385440]
You have to allow for slippage in that schedule though, when the guys you want to choose from are almost certainly going to be under contract already. First you have to find out (under the radar as far as possible, which isn't easy and needs great care) which of them would be interested at least in principle. Then negotiations will be needed not only with them/their agents but also with their current clubs and may well take considerable time.
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well, i'm not dismissing those factors, but at the end of the day, spurs got ramos in quickly enough, didn't they? and he's just one of dozens of examples.
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Not a good example
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42721.msg1228291#msg1228291 date=1291385440]
You have to allow for slippage in that schedule though, when the guys you want to choose from are almost certainly going to be under contract already. First you have to find out (under the radar as far as possible, which isn't easy and needs great care) which of them would be interested at least in principle. Then negotiations will be needed not only with them/their agents but also with their current clubs and may well take considerable time.
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well, i'm not dismissing those factors, but at the end of the day, spurs got ramos in quickly enough, didn't they? and he's just one of dozens of examples.
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Not a good example
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it's a prefectly fine example. he was spurs' first choice and they got him in quickly - the fact that he failed is irrelevant..
 
Is it? Ramos was a gamble, and turned out a disaster. Given that Villas Boas, for intstance, is still in his first full season as a manager, it might be worth waiting to see how his team has done in May before rushing to appoint him. I mean, I remember John Gregory leading Villa to the top of the league a while ago and being mentioned as a potential England manager etc. Where is he now?
 
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Is it? Ramos was a gamble, and turned out a disaster. Given that Villas Boas, for intstance, is still in his first full season as a manager, it might be worth waiting to see how his team has done in May before rushing to appoint him. I mean, I remember John Gregory leading Villa to the top of the league a while ago and being mentioned as a potential England manager etc. Where is he now?
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On 8 December 2009, Gregory was appointed the manager of Israeli club Maccabi Ahi Nazareth[4]
On 18 May 2010 Gregory signed a 3 year contract with Israeli Premier League Club F.C. Ashdod.

How undermined do you feel? 😉
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42721.msg1228402#msg1228402 date=1291395361]
Is it? Ramos was a gamble, and turned out a disaster. Given that Villas Boas, for intstance, is still in his first full season as a manager, it might be worth waiting to see how his team has done in May before rushing to appoint him. I mean, I remember John Gregory leading Villa to the top of the league a while ago and being mentioned as a potential England manager etc. Where is he now?
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you don't understand. me and JJ were discussing how quickly it's possible to obtain a manager once a club's identified him as their choice. i gave ramos as one of the many examples of this having been achieved swiftly.

all the other stuff you raise is clearly irrelevant to that specific point.

and anyway, i wouldn't even agree that ramos was a gamble particularly, not in the sense that it was rushed. spurs weren't in desperate need of a new manager, jol had done a reasonably good job and was well-liked by the players; ramos was seen as a 'glamour' signing given his success in spain, evidenced by his huge salary.
 
I do understand. I just disagree that it's simple as you're making out. I also disagree that we should be in a rush to make such an appointment.

It's also worth bearing in mind that someone like Villas Boas is unlikely to want to leave Porto after 16 games when the club are top of the league to go to 10th-placed Liverpool. Why not let him prove himself (and satisfy himself) by winning the Portuguese league first?

So if, for example, the club had identified him as one of the most appealing candidates for the long-term job of LFC manager, then it would make sense to wait and see how it all pans out.

As for Ramos, Spurs offered him the job in the summer and he turned them down. It was only when Jol was sacked because the side were in the relegation zone in October that they made Ramos an offer he really couldn't refuse. So it's not really a comparable situation.
 
If Kenny wasn't offered the job, this is the man I want

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/mourinho-protege-who-has-porto-on-edge-of-glory-2259930.html

Mourinho protege who has Porto on edge of glory

Andre Villas Boas has enjoyed a stunning first season at the Dragao. Sealing the title tomorrow could be just the start of a stellar managerial career, writes Andy Brassell



Tomorrow night the atmospheric Estadio da Luz will throb under the swell of a 65,000 sell-out, and Porto will seek to spoil the evening for all but 3,500 of them – the number of fans that will follow their team to Lisbon on what they hope is the road to history.

A victory at the home of Benfica would wrest back the title from their arch-rivals at the very venue where Porto's previous season fell apart on 20 December 2009. The 1-0 defeat was the least of Porto's regrets that night, with an infamous tunnel brawl that followed the match resulting in Cristian Sapunaru and Hulk being cited by the league's disciplinary commission. Sapunaru was packed off on loan to Dinamo Bucharest and Hulk missed 17 games through indefinite suspension before a March appeal reduced his ban to four months. Many joked that Benfica should forge extra championship winners medals for the home stewards the Porto pair had confronted.

Benfica are a proud and stylish side under coach Jorge Jesus and will resist the prospect of Porto's coronation on their turf, but their visitors' freshman coach has led his side on a bold and thrilling path this season. If any coach has the audacity to pull this one off, it is Andre Villas Boas.
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His story bears repeated telling. Still only 33 years old and in his first season in charge of his hometown club, Villas Boas has swept all before him, easily surpassing the considerable expectations generated by his connections with Jose Mourinho. Mourinho put the young Villas Boas in charge of scouting future opponents when he took over at the Estadio do Dragao in early 2002, and later took his protégé to Chelsea with him before promoting him to assistant coach after the pair arrived in Serie A with Internazionale.

When Villas Boas, with no professional playing career of his own, left in October 2009 for his big break as a head coach with the Portuguese top-flight side Academica de Coimbra, Mourinho's long-time adviser Jorge Mendes brokered the move. The endorsement of Portuguese football's super-agent confirmed the young coach as the brightest of the country's rising stars. The move upset Mourinho and their relationship appears to have cooled. Academica were bottom when Villas Boas arrived, but he guided them to mid-table safety and to the League Cup semi-finals.

The way in which Villas Boas has shaped his Porto squad since his June arrival has shown an extraordinary self-confidence. After seeing captain Bruno Alves depart for Zenit St Petersburg in a €20m (£17.6m) move, it was the new coach himself who paved the way for the side's other stalwart, Raul Meireles, to move to Liverpool by excluding him from his plans, leaving him out as a "technical choice" at the dawn of the season.

Villas Boas had his own ideas about definitively rebuilding the side around Joao Moutinho, tempting the Sporting Lisbon captain to the Dragao in a controversial move that left then-Sporting president Jose Nuno Bettencourt decrying his former golden boy as a "rotten apple". Moutinho, closely watched by Barcelona and Everton in the past, has recovered from a career trough at his old club to regain his place in the Portugal side on the back of a stellar season.

The comparisons between Villas Boas and Mourinho may be obvious, but perhaps the most clear connection between them is on the pitch. Like Mourinho's Porto, the Villas Boas vintage is forged in the image of its leader. While his side's shape echoes the 4-3-3 of his mentor, Villas Boas's Porto are always on the front foot, snapping, pressing and bristling with youthful energy. The front trio of Hulk, Radamel Falcao and Silvestre Varela have scored 39 goals between them in the league alone.

While Villas Boas is also a forthright personality and expressive on the touchline – he was sent to the stands at Guimaraes in his 12th game in charge for arguing with the referee – there is little suggestion that he has a dictatorial side. His Academica players said that he would often ask them their opinions on his tactics. Like Mourinho, Villas Boas fosters a close bond with his players but unlike him, likes his players to break bread socially. "It was him who encouraged us to have lunch and dinner together. And he often paid the bill," Orlando, Villas Boas's captain at Academica, told the Portuguese magazine Sábado last year.

The man himself draws a different comparison. "I'm more a clone of Bobby Robson than Jose Mourinho. I have English ancestry [his late grandmother was from Manchester], a big nose and I like drinking wine," he grinned at his unveiling as Porto coach.

He needs no reminder of how much he owes to the late England manager. Villas Boas approached Robson when the Englishman was Porto coach in the mid-'90s, politely chiding him for dropping star striker Domingos Paciencia. Impressed by the tyro's knowledge, Robson invited Villas Boas to observe first-team training, which eventually led to him joining the club staff. At 17, Villas Boas was too young to be enrolled on an FA coaching course or its Scottish equivalent, so Robson pulled a few strings with Charles Hughes, the famous FA director of coaching, and the young Portuguese ended up doing his Uefa C badge at Lilleshall and did further work on it in Scotland, later shadowing George Burley at Robson's former club Ipswich Town.

Speaking flawless English, the teenager was popular in Britain. Jim Fleeting, the Scottish FA's director of football development, told the Portuguese football site Mais Futebol in November that "his methods and his perfectionism always impressed. He has a lot of friends and fans here in Scotland, because of his personality."

Villas Boas moved back to Portugual to work with Porto Under-19s before taking an unexpected first head coach's job with the British Virgin Islands national team at the age of 21 in 2000. The potential was clear.

That promise could reach fruition this weekend. It was against Benfica that Porto demonstrated that power in Portuguese football was shifting back north in November, trouncing the champions 5-0. The following week's win over Portimonense saw Villas Boas surpass Mourinho's best opening to a season – in 2003-04, when Porto went on to add the Champions League to their league crown. With a Europa League quarter-final against Spartak Moscow on the horizon, Villas Boas has the chance to ape the dual league and Uefa Cup victory that Mourinho chalked up in his first full season at the club.

It would take wins in all six of Porto's remaining league matches to equal the 2003-04 national record of 86 points, though with the Portuguese league cut from 18 to 16 teams in 2006, it would be achieved in four games fewer. Villas Boas will expect little less. "Porto's choice isn't just to satisfy a boy's dream," he said at his presentation as coach. "If we don't win the championship, I won't be here managing Porto next year." The local boy's pragmatism and ambition mean that even brazenly liberating the title from their rivals' lair promises to be a detail, rather than an apex, in what is shaping up to be an extraordinary career.

Up and coming: The young managers making waves across Europe

Unai Emery (Valencia, age 39) Basque who spent most of his playing career in Segunda B. Began coaching in 2004 and led Lorca and Almeria to rare promotions. Moved to financially troubled Valencia in 2008 and has taken them to fourth in La Liga despite selling David Villa and David Silva. Tactically smart, believes in constant repetition on the training ground.

Stale Solbakken (FC Copenhagen, 43) Decent playing career, including World Cup appearances and a brief spell at Wimbledon. Retired after being pronounced clinically dead following a heart attack – but then moved into management. Drew with Barcelona in reaching last 16 of Champions League. Will become coach of his native Norway post-Euro2012.

Thomas Tuchel (Mainz, 37) After injury ended a part-time, lower-league career in his mid-20s he became a youth coach. Stepped up to coach Mainz in 2009 and not only kept them in the Bundesliga but steered team into an earl
y-season lead this campaign. Keen tactician whose teams play a high-tempo, pressing game.
 
25 wins and 2 draws, conceeding 9 goals so far. Won the league on the 3rd of April.

He's probably the most exciting young manager out there.
 
Like Mourinho, the 33-year-old Villas Boas used impeccable organisation, strong leadership skills and a touch of controversy to race to his first title and catch the eye of some of Europe’s bigger clubs.

Only a year and a half after starting his career as coach at Academica, he has built a solid Porto side whose consistency allowed them to clinch the title by beating Benfica 2-1 away on Sunday with five games to go and still undefeated.

Before joining Academica, Villas Boas spent years working as assistant and scout under Mourinho, first at Porto then at Chelsea and Inter Milan.

Although he is not as outspoken as the self-proclaimed “Special Oneâ€, Villas Boas has used so-called mind games similar to Mourinho’s to help his team, creating a siege mentality against a sometimes critical press.

He gave credit to his mentor after winning his first major trophy but also said the relationship worked both ways.

“I was part of a hugely successful coaching team. I owe a lot to Mourinho, who gave me a lot of knowledge. But I also gave him a lot through my competence and professionalism,†he said.

Mourinho won the Uefa Cup in his first season at Porto, and if Villas Boas can do the same this year in the Europa League — in which his team are widely seen as the favourites — calls from bigger leagues may prove hard to resist.

But for now the Porto coach, who still has another year on his contract, is trying to keep his feet on the ground.

Asked which other league he sees himself winning he said: “Portugal. I’m 33 and I’ve just landed in the football world. I don’t even think about another leagueâ€.

Local media said Italian club AS Roma made a serious offer last week but Villas Boas rejected it as he wants to guide Porto in the Champions League next season
, again just as Mourinho did.

KEY DIFFERENCES

Some say there are, however, some key differences between the two coaches, which may affect how Villas Boas leaves Porto.

Unlike Mourinho, he is a Porto fan. His entry into the club’s coaching team as a teenager came after he approached his neighbour Bobby Robson to offer him information sheets on Porto’s next opponents.

He would be unlikely to leave the club as abruptly as Mourinho
, who quit immediately after leading them to the European title in 2004.

Some commentators say he is more akin to Barcelona’s Pep Guardiola both in terms of temperament — calm and collected — and tactics, with his Porto side deploying a high-pressure and passing style used by the Catalan team.
 
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25 wins and 2 draws, conceeding 9 goals so far. Won the league on the 3rd of April.

He's probably the most exciting young manager out there.
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Binny posted an article above back in December which stated they'd conceeded 5 goals. So to have only conceeded 4 goals in as many months is a mental achievement/ Portuguese forwards cant hit the back of the net for toffee.
 
a young and exciting manager who will almost certainly be the next 'big thing'

or

a manager who is pretty much the personification of the ideals and principles of your football club

...tough one
 
I'm just baffled at why Oncey hasn't been in this thread yet to splooge all over the pics of Andre Villas-Boas. That's one sexy motherfucking possible-turtleneck-wearer if I've ever seen one.
 
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Fucking hell!

How could you NOT want this guy as our manager. I bet his brain is like a fucking football tactics supercomputer and his cock is vast with just the right amount of curvature.
 
i went for boas just over kenny just. difficult to explain why, just think long term it might be better option, but it would be a risk after just one season with porto. however, his record speaks for itself despite the poor quality in portugal's top division.
 
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