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Young Coutinho on the free kicks.

I think he might be the best we have had.
Suarez was very good and Gerrard on his day too, but in that area yesterday I kinda knew it was a goal. He's fucking deadly from there.
We should be actively looking to get free kicks in that area.
 
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I think Gerrard and Suarez were better but he's certsibly up there.

Fowler was very good too and Murphy.

Certainly nice to hsve a player who can punish sides from that range
 
Seems to have come on leaps and bounds from set pieces in the last 12 months. Still not as confident as you Andy, but I at least believe we'll test the keeper now
 
I'd be really surprised if any of the players mentioned have a higher success rate with direct free kicks. Maybe I'm imagining it.
 
I also knew that it was in as soon as Moreno went down. Just had the sense.

That said, I often felt the same about Suarez, including the New Years game against Hull we were at.
 
Oncy said:
I'd be really surprised if any of the players mentioned have a higher success rate with direct free kicks. Maybe I'm imagining it.
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Gerrard and Suarez both have 8 goals for us from free kicks.

Coutinho is presently on 5.
 
They all tend to misjudge it when it's too close. If you're not going to get the ball to dip down, and you're not hitting it through the wall, don't go for it. But I can't remember feeling so confident as I do when Coutinho goes for it. I'd need the stats for Gerrard - as I remember it, he messed up too many.

Actually, Lawro was interesting yesterday saying that keepers may as well do without a wall from that distance. It would be fascinating to see. I suspect far more shots would be saved. When you look at it, keepers obscure more than they see when they organise walls.
 
gkmacca said:
They all tend to misjudge it when it's too close. If you're not going to get the ball to dip down, and you're not hitting it through the wall, don't go for it. But I can't remember feeling so confident as I do when Coutinho goes for it. I'd need the stats for Gerrard - as I remember it, he messed up too many.

Actually, Lawro was interesting yesterday saying that keepers may as well do without a wall from that distance. It would be fascinating to see. I suspect far more shots would be saved. When you look at it, keepers obscure more than they see when they organise walls.
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I'm sure Gerrard was pretty bad at them. Not awful, but he certainly wasn't consistent
 
Dead ball kicks didn't come as naturally to him as most things did. He became really good at penos and improved at corners as his career went on, but neither one happened overnight.
 
gkmacca said:
They all tend to misjudge it when it's too close. If you're not going to get the ball to dip down, and you're not hitting it through the wall, don't go for it. But I can't remember feeling so confident as I do when Coutinho goes for it. I'd need the stats for Gerrard - as I remember it, he messed up too many.

Actually, Lawro was interesting yesterday saying that keepers may as well do without a wall from that distance. It would be fascinating to see. I suspect far more shots would be saved. When you look at it, keepers obscure more than they see when they organise walls.
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There was a journalist/former pro keeper on the totally football podcast a few weeks back saying just that, wall does more harm than good.
 
gkmacca said:
They all tend to misjudge it when it's too close. If you're not going to get the ball to dip down, and you're not hitting it through the wall, don't go for it. But I can't remember feeling so confident as I do when Coutinho goes for it. I'd need the stats for Gerrard - as I remember it, he messed up too many.

Actually, Lawro was interesting yesterday saying that keepers may as well do without a wall from that distance. It would be fascinating to see. I suspect far more shots would be saved. When you look at it, keepers obscure more than they see when they organise walls.
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It certainly makes sense at certain distances. Much further out & the wall makes more sense.

I remember Reina would often set just two men in the wall at that distance & it gave him full view of the ball.
 
Gerrard got dead good at them when he couldn't run any more. Suarez was brilliant at them, too. I don't Phil is as good as either of them, yet. Getting there, though.

He's up there though with long-range strikes. I believe he's scored more goals from outside the area than any other player since he's come to the league.
 
Hard to find direct figures to compare, but here's some available info.


Premier League only
(Dated 3 Aug 2017)
  • Luis Suarez scored five goals from free-kicks with a conversion rate of 17.2%
  • Alexis Sanchez has also scored five goals with a conversion rate of 16.7%.

Overall (between Aug 2015 to Sep 2016)
(Dated 25 Sep 2016)
  • Philippe Coutinho scored 2 from 13 direct free kick attempts 15.4%

Since 2009/10, La Liga only
(Dated 12 Jan 2017)
  • Lionel Messi - 8.02%
  • Cristiano Ronaldo - 6.87%
 
Gerrard scored a bunch of his from FKs where the ball was rolled into his path - would they still count in the stats? Can't think i've seen us try that tactic much since Rafa left?
 
The best I've seen I think was Laurent Robert. Absolutely lethal from any distance.

Ian Harte and Sinisa Mihajlovic were dead good too. And Juninho Pernambucano too of course.
 
Brizzle said:
Gerrard scored a bunch of his from FKs where the ball was rolled into his path - would they still count in the stats? Can't think i've seen us try that tactic much since Rafa left?
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No one in the league does that anymore, which is fucking nuts when you look at the empty space either side of the dead ball taker. You put a man either side capable of hitting it well, & a man either side of the ball, & it means the keeper has to worry that the ball could be passed either side or shot by either a left or right footer, meaning they have less reaction time or could end up positioned poorly.

Rush & Fowler were masters at taking those.
 
FoxForceFive said:
No one in the league does that anymore, which is fucking nuts when you look at the empty space either side of the dead ball taker. You put a man either side capable of hitting it well, & a man either side of the ball, & it means the keeper has to worry that the ball could be passed either side or shot by either a left or right footer, meaning they have less reaction time or could end up positioned poorly.

Rush & Fowler were masters at taking those.
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I was watching a Gerrard goal compilation recently and there was a fair few of those goals, as described.
What really stood out, though, was for all the technique and blah blah blah, Gerrard really did kick a football very, very, very hard indeed.

Most of the long-range goals would have taken the keeper's arm off if they'd managed to get anywhere near them.
 
manwithnoname said:
I was watching a Gerrard goal compilation recently and there was a fair few of those goals, as described.
What really stood out, though, was for all the technique and blah blah blah, Gerrard really did kick a football very, very, very hard indeed.

Most of the long-range goals would have taken the keeper's arm off if they'd managed to get anywhere near them.
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Which is why Rush & Fowler were so adept at them too, both could strike it very hard. You need to hit it hard doing that cos the pass to the side gives the keeper a split second to react & would help them save a placed or curved shot.

We have Moreno, Can & Hendo (just off the top of my head) that can hit it hard as fuck, so it should be an option at least sometimes.
 
dmishra said:
The best I've seen I think was Laurent Robert. Absolutely lethal from any distance.

Ian Harte and Sinisa Mihajlovic were dead good too. And Juninho Pernambucano too of course.
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Del Piero was probably one of the best as well.
 
Coutinho is also the highest scoring Brazilian in our league apparently, it was on a quiz show last week.
 
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