Agent: Aqua wont be sold this summer

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39921.msg1093184#msg1093184 date=1272210034]
He hasn't. He's a shithouse.
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Convince me then Brendan. I just want to hear your reasoning behind the 'stamp of disapproval'
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39921.msg1093067#msg1093067 date=1272207610]
Now I'm not saying there is any truth to these rumours, but...

When you're some peon no-one gives two shits about, you have more licence to "self diagnose". When an organization has millions upon millions invested in your success, it stands to reason that these things are going to be scrutinised a little more.


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It doesn't matter how much is invested, as an employee you're still allowed to look after your own health.
 
No one has suggested otherwise. I just said that you'd be scrutinised more, which is what Aquilani and Kaka have found this season.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39921.msg1093184#msg1093184 date=1272210034]
He hasn't. He's a shithouse.
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Convince me then Brendan. I just want to hear your reasoning behind the 'stamp of disapproval'
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he has no reason, he is just a 😀
 
Hopefully Purps can do a Pires and have a storming 2nd season after he's had time to acclimatise to the PL
 
In six starts he has a goal and SIX assists.

Surely we can keep him and actually play him. He's such a fine player, i cant believe how this has turned out.

I am not giving up hope given that almost every time Rafa starts him he does something positive. Maybe a full pre-season and more confidence in his ankle and he'll fly.

I still heart Aquilani.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39921.msg1093268#msg1093268 date=1272216782]
I still heart Aquilani.
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I'm not as confident as I was but no one can deny the lad oozes class. I just don't know if _____ (Injury? Manager? etc) will allow him to show it for Liverpool.
 
The non use of Aquilani just mirrors Benitez' attitude and tactics throughout the season, more worried about the opposition and not losing than going at teams. Gerrard partnering Mascherano with Aquilani behind the front man offers so much more than a Lucas and Mascherano pairing. It's just a pity Benitez hadn't the bottle to go with it.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39921.msg1093268#msg1093268 date=1272216782]
In six starts he has a goal and SIX assists.

Surely we can keep him and actually play him. He's such a fine player, i cant believe how this has turned out.

I am not giving up hope given that almost every time Rafa starts him he does something positive. Maybe a full pre-season and more confidence in his ankle and he'll fly.

I still heart Aquilani.
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Agreed. I said at the start i think aquilani is amazing and i will stick to that. 6 starts.. 1 goal 6 assists is more than lucas could ever wish for. it makes no sense why he doesnt play more often
 
Having watched the game last night, there's no way 1 of those was an assist. Maybe even 2 as gerrard had plenty to do on the first one. BBC had it as 3 assists, but really and truthfully only one was Aquilani actually creating a chance.
So it's more like 4 and a goal in six starts.
Doesn't change anything though. Get the lad fully fit in 'pre season and we've got a cracking new player for next year.
 
Oncy is right. He had one meaningful assist yesterday. The rest can hardly count.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39921.msg1093426#msg1093426 date=1272267958]
Having watched the game last night, there's no way 1 of those was an assist. Maybe even 2 as gerrard had plenty to do on the first one. BBC had it as 3 assists, but really and truthfully only one was Aquilani actually creating a chance.
So it's more like 4 and a goal in six starts.
Doesn't change anything though. Get the lad fully fit in 'pre season and we've got a cracking new player for next year.
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Guess that BBC counts an assist as last touch to scorer, in the strictest sense. I would have given the assist to Maxi for that 2nd goal; still had a lot to do on the right before putting in a marvellous cross. Next thing you know, Aquilani's on his ass and bam a Gerrard Tomahawk.
Aquilani's pass to Maxi was superb for the 3rd goal though. Hope to see him get more play time next year, fitter and wiser.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39921.msg1093426#msg1093426 date=1272267958]
Having watched the game last night, there's no way 1 of those was an assist. Maybe even 2 as gerrard had plenty to do on the first one. BBC had it as 3 assists, but really and truthfully only one was Aquilani actually creating a chance.
So it's more like 4 and a goal in six starts.
Doesn't change anything though. Get the lad fully fit in 'pre season and we've got a cracking new player for next year.
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Guess that BBC counts an assist as last touch to scorer, in the strictest sense. I would have given the assist to Maxi for that 2nd goal; still had a lot to do on the right before putting in a marvellous cross. Next thing you know, Aquilani's on his ass and bam a Gerrard Tomahawk.
Aquilani's pass to Maxi was superb for the 3rd goal though. Hope to see him get more play time next year, fitter and wiser.
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I'm going to pretend to myself that Aqua manipulated his body position so it looked like he upended himself, but was deliberately laying on the ball to SG and confusing the defence.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39921.msg1093505#msg1093505 date=1272286696]
An 'attacking Didi' manoeuvre
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Zacterly.

That's what he did. Fact.
 
Hmmm, I agree with Brendan that there's a bit of the 'shitting-himself-when-a-tackle-comes-in' about Aquifanny, which is a touch disconcerting.

He's played his entire life in Serie A, where the game is played more or less in front of him. The adjustment to tackles coming in from all angles in the Premier League has probably been tough for him, and as such he seems to want to jump the fucking fence everytime somebody comes near him. Long-term, if he continues like that he's gonna struggle. You have to add some degree of cunt to your game if you want to add more than a few sexy passes and the odd assist to your repertoire. To be fair to him, his long-standing injury record might have done soemthing to sway him from going in hard too.

He also seems to only want to go one way. There's no way you could play that guy in a centre midfield two against a decent side. He'd fucking kill you.

But, he's got ability. His one-touch, quick-passing, fast-moving brain are a fucking delight, and ensures he stands out a mile in our current side. I get the impression Gerrard doesn't mind having him there, and he's got a pretty decent propensity to set up chances.

So, does he need to beocme a tough-tackling type to succeed? Do we need to turn him into Gattuso?

If he can add a bit more toughness to his game, just a touch, and a defensive mindset - would that be enough? Surely with Mascherano and Lucas/Gerrard around him, there's enough tackle there to compensate for him?

Are we trying to mould him into something we don't really need?
 
Ry, the last thing we should be doing is imposing a defensive mindset on one of the very few players we have who actually passes the ball forwards. That's our fuckin problem.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093700#msg1093700 date=1272326253]
Are we trying to mould him into something we don't really need?
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Of course not, but technique players who succeed in the premiership do so by using their touch to make a bit of space for themselves. The great ones look like they always have plenty of time. Aquilani has to calm down enough to do that for himself.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=39921.msg1093703#msg1093703 date=1272328449]

Ry, the last thing we should be doing is imposing a defensive mindset on one of the very few players we have who actually passes the ball forwards. That's our fuckin problem.


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Against good teams Larry, he'd get killed. All of his decent performances and assists have come against Portsmouth, Burnley and the likes.

It's naive to think that we can just let him hang around waiting to threaten offensively. We'd need more than he currently offers defensively.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093700#msg1093700 date=1272326253]
Are we trying to mould him into something we don't really need?
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Of course not, but technique players who succeed in the premiership do so by using their touch to make a bit of space for themselves. The great ones look like they always have plenty of time. Aquilani has to calm down enough to do that for himself.
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What do you mean by "has to calm down enough"?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093706#msg1093706 date=1272329782]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39921.msg1093704#msg1093704 date=1272329668]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093700#msg1093700 date=1272326253]
Are we trying to mould him into something we don't really need?
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Of course not, but technique players who succeed in the premiership do so by using their touch to make a bit of space for themselves. The great ones look like they always have plenty of time. Aquilani has to calm down enough to do that for himself.
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What do you mean by "has to calm down enough"?
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He seems to be reacting defensively to what's going around him sometimes, and panicking a little at times. I still don't think there's much to read into, although it's clear what he won't do for liverpool.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093706#msg1093706 date=1272329782]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39921.msg1093704#msg1093704 date=1272329668]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093700#msg1093700 date=1272326253]
Are we trying to mould him into something we don't really need?
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Of course not, but technique players who succeed in the premiership do so by using their touch to make a bit of space for themselves. The great ones look like they always have plenty of time. Aquilani has to calm down enough to do that for himself.
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What do you mean by "has to calm down enough"?
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He seems to be reacting defensively to what's going around him sometimes, and panicking a little at times. I still don't think there's much to read into, although it's clear what he won't do for liverpool.

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Erm, ok.

I think we're too quick to look at the negatives sometimes. What does he need to add to his game? A set of balls, a defensive mindset, and a tackle?

Nothing in terms of ability anyway. We're not talking about Cisse here, in that he requires a brain, a first touch, and an attitude overhaul. Everything he needs, he can and should learn. It's far easier to work with someone like that, than to have to change the way he controls a fucking football.
 
Erm, ok, yourself. I'm stating a fairly banal fact, that if he was a bit more calm under pressure, and used his ability on the ball to make space, he could rise above the shit like a host of quality technical players in the prem who don't love to tackle.

He's barely played anyway.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39921.msg1093717#msg1093717 date=1272335098]
Erm, ok, yourself. I'm stating a fairly banal fact, that if he was a bit more calm under pressure, and used his ability on the ball to make space, he could rise above the shit like a host of quality technical players in the prem who don't love to tackle.

He's barely played anyway.
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But I don't think he panics under pressure, sop that's where we differ on this one Fark.

It's no big deal really.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093710#msg1093710 date=1272330534]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39921.msg1093708#msg1093708 date=1272330303]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093706#msg1093706 date=1272329782]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39921.msg1093704#msg1093704 date=1272329668]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39921.msg1093700#msg1093700 date=1272326253]
Are we trying to mould him into something we don't really need?
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Of course not, but technique players who succeed in the premiership do so by using their touch to make a bit of space for themselves. The great ones look like they always have plenty of time. Aquilani has to calm down enough to do that for himself.
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What do you mean by "has to calm down enough"?
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He seems to be reacting defensively to what's going around him sometimes, and panicking a little at times. I still don't think there's much to read into, although it's clear what he won't do for liverpool.

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Erm, ok.

I think we're too quick to look at the negatives sometimes. What does he need to add to his game? A set of balls, a defensive mindset, and a tackle?

Nothing in terms of ability anyway. We're not talking about Cisse here, in that he requires a brain, a first touch, and an attitude overhaul. Everything he needs, he can and should learn. It's far easier to work with someone like that, than to have to change the way he controls a fucking football.

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Agreed. I really hope he's not sold in the summer for a loss and that he gets a chance to really play next season. Only time will tell how he comes out but I think he's deserving of the chance.
 
He's a strange sort of midfielder for the Rafa we know and love to buy, but that part of the equation is a good thing.
 
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