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Just relegate them and award 2nd place the titles please.
I am torn on wanting historic or future penalties... or both. I think I would quite like their success wiped off the books, and this to be a chapter in a book about the 2010/2020s PL only.
Future penalties will be kinda fun, but they'll be back up and just ruin footy for other clubs at lower levels which feels like its just moving the pain around.
An ideal result would be to ban the owners from being allowed to own a club in the PL/EFL again and force a sale.
Future penalties will be kinda fun, but they'll be back up and just ruin footy for other clubs at lower levels which feels like its just moving the pain around.
An ideal result would be to ban the owners from being allowed to own a club in the PL/EFL again and force a sale.
And the proceeds of the sale should be dished out to grassroots football.
I'm not torn.. banish the cunts.
There have obviously been precedents in the lower leagues of punishments for financial irregularity (because this is more than just over-spending) but I think the closest precedent is Rangers and their tax avoidance/evasion case. They were relegated and only allowed back in under conditions. That's what should happen here. I'm obviously assuming guilt.
City should be relegated and only allowed back in to the Premier League if they have got their house in order. They should then be subject to budget restrictions and regular monitoring by an independent auditor, reporting to the Premier League. That should only end when they satisfy conditions of normal behaviour, and then they go into a probation period where the PL can re-introduce monitoring if they think they start to take the piss again. Any serious infractions or refusals to co-operate, back down you go lads.
The monitoring thing is built into the PL rules. It applied to Everton, but it looks like it didn't extend beyond the PL reminding them of the risk of over-spending every now and then. It needs to go further than that.
To be clear, as with Everton, I accept that not every City fan is a lunatic, but the lunatics shout the loudest. Many of them aren't in denial of what's gone on, they're not comfortable with it but they've been winning shit and who doesn't want that? They probably hope they're going to get away with it, but they don't believe they did nothing wrong. Do those fans deserve to be punished harshly? I would say no. But their directors and shareholders absolutely deserve it and they have to get what's coming to them. And I'm afraid the decent fans are just collateral damage.
City should be relegated and only allowed back in to the Premier League if they have got their house in order. They should then be subject to budget restrictions and regular monitoring by an independent auditor, reporting to the Premier League. That should only end when they satisfy conditions of normal behaviour, and then they go into a probation period where the PL can re-introduce monitoring if they think they start to take the piss again. Any serious infractions or refusals to co-operate, back down you go lads.
The monitoring thing is built into the PL rules. It applied to Everton, but it looks like it didn't extend beyond the PL reminding them of the risk of over-spending every now and then. It needs to go further than that.
To be clear, as with Everton, I accept that not every City fan is a lunatic, but the lunatics shout the loudest. Many of them aren't in denial of what's gone on, they're not comfortable with it but they've been winning shit and who doesn't want that? They probably hope they're going to get away with it, but they don't believe they did nothing wrong. Do those fans deserve to be punished harshly? I would say no. But their directors and shareholders absolutely deserve it and they have to get what's coming to them. And I'm afraid the decent fans are just collateral damage.
Yes, I think that's right. The old entity was liquidated.
It also shows how effective the punishment was that they've only won one title since, but obviously that's been at the cost of allowing Celtic to dominate ever since which isn't healthy for the league. I don't think that would happen in England - there'd probably be a "Big Five" dominance, but not a single club.
I remember @StevieM saying something about this, I think Rangers should have been demoted outside of the league. As they were considered a new entity, they therefore didn't have all the correct documentation to join the league, which was something like three years worth of tax reciepts. Or something like that.
If memory serves, they effectively were demoted outside the league and had to apply to join the lowest division.
Quick read up says Rangers were liquidated and their assets bought up by the new entity - their SFA membership but not their SPL place was transferred to the new entity conditionally (transfer ban), which meant they could stay in the league but had to drop to the bottom division - which was the 4th tier - they didn’t have promotion or relegation to/from that league to a lower tier at that point, so Scottish League 2, was where they started.
They thing with City is - they’re not getting liquidated, so, in reality, despite all our musings, I don’t think the Premier League has the jurisdiction to relegate them further than the Championship - and they’ve broken no rules Of that division.
Premier League can kick them out and might be able to ban them from re-entering for a few years at best.
If the Premier League kicked them out would they then have to go cap in hand to the Football League who could say don’t think so? Then they’d have to turn to the non-football leagues. It would be funny seeing north west counties league games at the emptyhad. They’d get the same attendance.
If the Premier League relegates them, they will go down in place of the 18th-placed team in the league (so they would save someone else from relegation - Sod's Law says this will be the Ev). This assumes they play out the rest of the season. If they are kicked out immediately, the results for the season to date are expunged and only the bottom 2 are relegated (18th and 19th place). I don't think immediate relegation is likely (and they'd appeal anyway), and that rule essentially caters for a club going bust.
I don't see anything in the rules that allows the PL to refuse a club from re-joining the league if they qualify for promotion from the Championship, so anything keeping them out for a few years would have to be part of the sanction from the disciplinary hearing.
As commented above, the Rangers situation was different as they were liquidated, ceased to exist, and therefore the leagues weren't bound by their rules as the Rangers "phoenix club" wasn't a member. Assuming City aren't liquidated (they won't be) then the league rules are likely to be give a kinder outcome than Rangers, but the ruling of the hearing could impose harsher sanctions than are provided for in the rules (because the rules only really cater for sporting-based relegation and promotion, plus insolvencies).
I don't see anything in the rules that allows the PL to refuse a club from re-joining the league if they qualify for promotion from the Championship, so anything keeping them out for a few years would have to be part of the sanction from the disciplinary hearing.
As commented above, the Rangers situation was different as they were liquidated, ceased to exist, and therefore the leagues weren't bound by their rules as the Rangers "phoenix club" wasn't a member. Assuming City aren't liquidated (they won't be) then the league rules are likely to be give a kinder outcome than Rangers, but the ruling of the hearing could impose harsher sanctions than are provided for in the rules (because the rules only really cater for sporting-based relegation and promotion, plus insolvencies).
So we would be docked 3 points & Arsenal just 1 point? I do not like that; keep them in until May
Yeah, farewell tour so every set of fans can boo the shit at them for 90 minutes.
Agreed. They stole from us, and we should get those titles restored.
Yep, strip titles, transfer ban and immediate relegation. I don't care if they're back in the league the following season but punt them down once and take away their spoils.
But the Football League won’t say no to having them in the Championship - in fact they’ll likely be delighted.
Even in the Rangers scenario the SPL & the SFL wanted Rangers to re-start in their equivalent of the Championship - it was a legal ruling, I think, that said they couldn’t they were a newly constituted entity.
Best case scenario, they get deducted enough points to relegate them, have a transfer ban for at least a season, lose all their good players who they can’t replace, lose their management and back of house team whose replacements aren’t great and it takes them a long time to recruit a new playing & management team capable of challenging again for honours again.
I suspect, though, if it’s not just thrown out completely, it’ll more likely result in a fine, 1 season out of Europe and a transfer ban for a season with someone else not as good as Pep tasked with rebuilding them.
Have a look at the B’dor thread.
How the fuck any self respecting fan can say he deserves anything when he’s playing for a cheating club like that with an unfair advantage tilting every comp in their favour beggars belief.
Deserving me hole!
The 'relegation' punishment has been touted so often and by so many, including Pep, that maybe they've been told that is going to be the outcome assuming they are found guilty. I can't see the other clubs accepting some light punishment (and it's no deterrent considering the trophies and money they've accumulated) as being fair or equivalent to their crimes - and the PL will know this from behind the scenes discussions.
They may think, oooooooo, we will sell out the away end. Countered by, hang on, they’ll just cheat their way out again like StevieM said. That could take a promotion spot away from a non-cheating team.
Would be interesting to see what happens to their players if they go down. Would anyone stay with them? I could see Walker hanging on but very few others. Foden would probably try to jump ship. This would be the most tasty side of things, and one benefit of them having a small squad of highly paid players.
Not sure where Mongie Face Foden goes, but he’ll go. KdB for sure goes. Pep goes.
Haaland for sure - off to Real - all the international players will want to leave as it’ll be a World Cup up year do they won’t want to be playing in a lower level league.
So kids and oldies left.
Maybe they could loan some players to Girona if they get CL again, then bring them back.
My City mate, apart from certain they’ve already won and suing the PL and every other club in the league for billions, reckons even if they lose, they’ll appeal so it gets pushed back another 12 months - they’ll just keep chucking whatever they can at it until the PL
is bled dry.
Haaland for sure - off to Real - all the international players will want to leave as it’ll be a World Cup up year do they won’t want to be playing in a lower level league.
So kids and oldies left.
Maybe they could loan some players to Girona if they get CL again, then bring them back.
My City mate, apart from certain they’ve already won and suing the PL and every other club in the league for billions, reckons even if they lose, they’ll appeal so it gets pushed back another 12 months - they’ll just keep chucking whatever they can at it until the PL
is bled dry.
I've yet to see any proposed punishment that truly goes far enough, to be honest.
Every trophy should be melted down in the centre circle of the Etihad while Pep is forced to watch, with the proceeds donated to Battersea Dogs Home. As part of their humbling, Haaland and Noel Gallagher should be made to personally hand over the trophies to the rightful winners. The Etihad itself should be reduced to rubble, and they can groundshare with Salford FC—a venue far more fitting for the National League. I’m not seeking justice—I’m seeking pure, unrelenting sadism
Every trophy should be melted down in the centre circle of the Etihad while Pep is forced to watch, with the proceeds donated to Battersea Dogs Home. As part of their humbling, Haaland and Noel Gallagher should be made to personally hand over the trophies to the rightful winners. The Etihad itself should be reduced to rubble, and they can groundshare with Salford FC—a venue far more fitting for the National League. I’m not seeking justice—I’m seeking pure, unrelenting sadism
I think more would stay than you anticipate. A lot of their older players i think would stay (walker, de bruyne, ederson?) and some of their home grown will stay (rico, foden). Everyone else would go
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