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The Mane problem

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by rurikbird, Feb 16, 2021.

  1. rurikbird

    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    Salah is more productive this season than the last (penalties help too, but he earns many of them), Firmino slightly less. Mane is the one that has dropped off a cliff. It’s been more than just a few games; it’s now fair to say it’s a sustained run of indifferent form - coming after a year or two straight of absolutely spectacular world-class form.

    Mane is still beating his man on the wing regularly, but the last touch, shot, pass or decision just doesn’t seem so crisp any more. Maybe he’s frustrated with the refereeing, and often rightly so, but obviously throwing himself to the ground won’t help turn it around. And I don’t have stats to back it up, but it seems that he’s getting on the end of chances with less regularity than before, with the majority of his work now happening well outside the penalty area.

    Everyone talks about the loss of Van Dijk or the problems in midfield, but it could be argued that Mane’s downturn in form is a significant factor in our struggles. Will he turn it around?
     
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  2. i_rushie

    i_rushie Very Active Member

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    Have you seen how he has been having to wrestle and play football on the left wing these days? The referees have signalled you can get away with anything trying to stop him. Frustrated? I don't blame him.
     
  3. LeTallecWiz

    LeTallecWiz Administrator Administrator

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    Always thought this team goes as Mane goes.
    If he catches fire - we'll win #7 and push up to top 4.
    If shit goes the way it's going, it will be a dead rubber.
     
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    King Binny Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    Firmino is regressing too.
     
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    I think there is some truth to the fact that Mane has been kicked out of form.

    But I also have seen so many errors coming from him and I can't help but think a large part of it is due to some physical and mental fatigue. At times, he's looked knackered, unable to outrun Burnley defenders. There's just a bit of sharpness missing from his game. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been carrying a knock for most of the season.
     
  6. StevieM

    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    Tired and a bit disinterested at times.

    I think he took the hump a bit when Jotta arrived - and he felt most threatened.
     
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    For me, it is a holistic problem.
     
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    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    He’s got a problem with his hole????
     
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    Yeah. I commented in one of the previous match threads that he's often got 3/4 players to beat nowadays to get through to goal or to make a pass to a teammate. That's not how it used to be. The balance of the whole team is fucked.

    I've said before that whilst we have some very good players we are very much reliant on a system of play that requires everyone to be present and contributing. Given that our squad is thin as paper, it's no surprise that we're struggling.

    The fact that Salah is still scoring as much as he is should hopefully finally silence his critics. He has his flaws but he's a pure goalscorer.
     
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    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    Did Sadio have Covid? I forgot.
     
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    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    There could be something psychological there, I feel. Mane is a loner type, he is well liked by everyone but doesn’t have many genuine friends and when problems, bad feelings or other stuff builds up, he probably tends to keep it inside and isn’t comfortable talking about it to anyone. I think that’s where looking “disinterested” may come from.
     
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    Yep. Absolutely. Though Ibromurph is also spot on with mental and physical fatigue. Our current problems throughout the team obviously heap even more mental pressure on everyone.
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    He's dead active in his mosque and community. I don't think he's that much of a loner, he's meant to be sound as fuck
     
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    My thinking and this goes for Firmino and Salah: is that not having 'cheat code defender' VVD and Gomez means the entire team has become focused around the defence more than usual.  The front three are probably playing 10 yards deeper than what they used to and doing more defensive work than what they're used to. So no wonder by the time they get into attacking areas they are knackered, its one thing as an attacker to have to press the opposition defenders but when your also having to drop deep and help out the midfield and defence then it takes its toll.

    Like it or not VVD, Gomez, Matip afforded the rest of the team a luxury of being able to concentrate more on attacking rather than defending. I even think the same goes for Allison, he's taking a to of stick but I wouldn't be surprised if he's been instructed (or he's felt himself) to take more responsibility for anticipating attacks and increase his sweeper-keeper activities.  This entire defence thing is messing up the entire team, hopefully Kabak and the new gang can settle in and allow the other players to do their jobs.
     
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    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    That’s good to hear, but it’s a different thing to what I was talking about. From a few interviews I’ve seen and his teammates’ words, Mane seems like the guy who would project positivity outward and keep all his frustrations inside.
     
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    Mane is missing his crowd, fans in the stadium. He is a people's man he plays for his people and they are not there in the stands, he cant see them  and he can't hear the songs, the crowd roars. There is no connection or inspiration
     
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    Great idea for a thread Rurik!
     
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    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    Hmm, who should I do next? :)
     
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    Even without the goal, Mane was 'on' tonight ... Hopefully more of that against Everton please
     
  20. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    I must be very biased. I think Mane for the main part has been superb. He’s getting closer attention than anyone.
     

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