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The Firmino problem

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by rurikbird, Feb 16, 2021.

  1. rurikbird

    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    He doesn't score much and his teeth are fake. Will he turn it around?
     
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    Ukrainian by marriage Very Active Member

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    After his assist on Saturday, as far as I'm concerned, he can sunbathe in the centre circle with a couple of girls and a bottle of vodka whenever he likes. 'Twas sublime.
     
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    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    He’s a flabby melt after all...
     
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    Stevesquash Active Member

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    He'll come good. But he needs resting sometimes, and he needs dropping sometimes, and not doing either of those things is one of Klopps few strange weaknesses in my humble opinion.
     
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    Someone find a clip of the assist for Salahs goal vs Leicester
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    I might sound like a broken record mentioning this again but we should have sold Origi two years ago, after the CL final and used the money to buy a better striker. Firmino just doesn't have any competition. You could say Jota but he's not really a striker. Actually Firmino isn't really a striker. He lacks the killer instinct in front of goal that strikers in other top teams have. Don't get me wrong I mean on his day he can be world class but I kinda wish we had someone like, I don't know maybe Ings, in some games.
    We were gonna get Werner so I guess that gives me some reassurance that the position is being looked at, but something really needs to be done about it this summer.
     
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    Mamma Mia Very Well-Known Member

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    Surely this should be called The Firmino Paradox?
     
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    Squiggles Very Well-Known Member

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    I have far more patience with Firmino when Jota is also fit and firing, but when it's not its clear Bobby cannot and should not be an automatic starter at this level.

    His performances vary from the sublime, to donkey,  to anonymous, to involved but non threatening, so you never know what you're going to get. That inconsistency damages the fluidity of our attack.
     
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    He was boss last night, he also had the assist of the season at the weekend, he also had a goal ruled out last night that possibly Hawkeye gives him?
     
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    Joke again that wasn't it? Where's the proof that went out? Looked in to me... Just
     
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    Hahaha, people can single out Firmino's sublime assist for Salah's goal against Leicester, pick out his goal against Spurs, this pass,  that header, etc, and make up a case for his name to appear on the starting lineup, they can say all they want, the truth is Firmino is the match maker we cant afford to lose. He is not the prolific goal scorer there is, but he is the one who makes things happen for our team.  He is our number 9 Si Senor.
     
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    Time he was benched, I'd say. And if'n he returns, maybe try him further deeper, after all he did start life as a defensive midfielder, didn't he?

    In another thread, I said that Firmino has been integral to the way we have played and the success we have had. It was easy to overlook his lack of goals as long as he was knitting things together, dropping deep and overcoming our lack of creativity or when he was drifting wide to help overload the flanks. In addition he had tricks and flicks to set up goals while chipping in with the odd goal of his own.

    However, if that aspect of his game goes (and it looks as if it has gone), his (and the team's) lack of goals together with the rather basic midfield's lack of thrust are readily apparent. Liverpool starts looking an ordinary team.

    That said, we had sort of anticipated his [gradual] decline with that purchase of Jota but I doubt that many would have forecast the precipitous nature of the decline in Firmino's performances.
     
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    Not good enough to lead the line anymore I’m afraid.

    Need to go all out for Haaland
     
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    Rosco Worse than Brendan Honorary Member

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    Of course. He's 29, just hitting his peak now.
     
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    Markeh Very Well-Known Member

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    I was hoping bobby wasn’t going to be one of those Brazilians who’s careers nose dived in their late twenties, seems to be quite a frequent thing.
     
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    Didn't @Woland's mate have a theory about that back in the day?
     
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    He's been a bit shit for at least 18 months
     
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    Its usually after they've won a few big trophies as opposed to an age thing. But yeah he looks like he's taken that option.

    People talking up his sublime assist against Leicester as proof of why he's still got it are kind of missing the point, one moment of flashy brilliance every couple of games is exactly what you'd expect from a luxury player thats past his best. Hes turned into the Brazilian version of Berbatov.
     
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    Donavan Ried Minamino our new Japanese Brazilian Member

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    Pointed this out elsewhere on the site
    2018/19
    Salah 27
    Mane 26
    Frimino  16

    2019/20
    Salah 23
    Mane 20
    Frimino  10

    2020/21 (Thus Far)
    Salah    24
    Mane    11
    Frimino 6

    Bobby looks on course to score a simular goal tally to last season , if not more...
    Frimino is the one who creates the chances for  Salah and Mane. It's his little touches and flicks that unlocks defeneces.
    But with losing our CB's,and moving Fab's and Henderson to CB, we have lost the ablity to  press team effctively high up field and playing the ball forward quickly getting the best use out of the front three especially out of Frimino
     

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