Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by rurikbird, Oct 6, 2019.
Haven't seen much of Leicester but apparently he's been very good. Is he better than Macguire?
So far he is, I've seen most of their games & he's very impressive. but it's very early days indeed, relatively speaking.
Wow, really? You think so?
I thought he was referring to a halftime tiddly-winks game
I would have put good money on that being your response. Knew it was coming.
How sure? Like 'pretty sure he meant respect'?
That sure? When there was literally NOTHING else he could possibly have been referring to?
He might have put all of this weeks wages on us getting a penalty though, and will now recieve a decent cash out from Bet1815272738..
It could be some Kaka Jesus / God thing
Try saying 'pretty sure he meant respect'' with as different emphasis as you can think of and let's and see how many alternative interpretations you can come up with.
Then ponder which one I intended. Should keep you busy for an hour or two.
Totally agree with you Modo - but so glad you said it first, because people will now try and fuck you over rather than me.
Fuck you, you smug, jug-eared virtue-signalling, crisp-flogging tit....IT'S THE RAAAAAAAAAATAIIIIINGGGSSSSSS.
"Hello, Liverpool fans, Football Gods here, would you like to pick this weekend's football results? You would!? Well, go ahead then! This one's on us!"
Apart from fucking Arsenal, this was as good as it gets. You all lose! And we win!!!!!!!! A quite-fancied Leicester arrive, full of optimism and fabulous character, and duly give us a game. But it was a game that we won - right at the very last gasp - and overall, we deserved it, especially in the first half when Leicester seemed overwrought and timid.
Adrian (5) The last two games have made Alisson's imminent return even more welcome. Moved a bit late when coming out to tackle the always-dangerous Vardy and then let Maddison's shot go straight through him. Was fairly quiet and assured apart from that, but he nearly cost us points again.
TAA (7) Very influential, he was solid defensively and Chilwell had a dreadful first half, he couldn't deal with him in defence or attack. The contest was more even in the second 45, but overall TAA cam out on top, and really should have added a few more assists to his name; a few of his deliveries into the box were almost impossible to defend and should have ended up in the goal.
Lovren (7) Perhaps a bit of a surprise, but given Gomez's last display wasn't exactly great, perhaps not. Either way, fully justified Klopp's trust with an aggressive and reliable display, and gave Vardy limited space and time to cause any damage.
Virgil (6) Improved compared to the Salzburg display, but still seems almost human, and made a couple of small errors - could have done much better for their goal. Solid as usual apart from that, but can play much better.
Robertson (7) Not quite as eye-catching with his passing and final ball as his mate on the other flank, but still got into some great positions and had one decent effort, even if it was smacked down the goalkeeper's throat a bit. Little bit of needle at the end too, which is nice.
Fabinho (7) Another very decent display with a few cracking challenges thrown in and some neat passing. He did get a bit loose in possession as the game went on, and was rightly booked for a cynical foul, which seemed to curb his enthusiasm a bit. Good overall; he can certainly play better, but he's generally consistently solid, which is vital in this role.
Wijnaldum (6) Lots of good stuff in the first half, without really hurting them enough - his passing is still so conservative - but he did seem a bit less effective after an hour and looked in need of a rest, which he duly got when replaced by Henderson.
Milner (8) Well, well, well. Not for the first time this season (or indeed since he arrived, in one of our most brilliant free signings ever) the evergreen Milner was arguably the best player on the pitch. The pass for Mane's goal was glorious, curved beyond a despairing Jonny Evans right into the path of a speeding Sadio, and then he despatched a typically nerveless pelanty and celebrated like the boss he is.
Salah (6) Worked like a lunatic and ran at Leicester all afternoon, but his passing was really wonky and for a while he couldn't have found a red shirt in a fucking abbatoir. One good shot was well saved and then he was whalloped late on by that stupid-haired dirty cunt Choudhary and had to go off.
Firmino (5) Doesn't ever look like he's enjoying himself when played wide, where he doesn't have the pace or space to really operate at his best. Looked much happier when switched back, and should have done much better with one chance, but again, he's not really the most reliable in that respect. Ordinary.
Mane (8) Started on the right and contributed to making Chilwell have one of the most gruelling 45 minutes of his nascent career. Switched back, scored a beauty, won the (generous) pelanty and generally gave Leicester a horrible time of it. Marvellous.
Get to fuck Lovern was immense considering and deserves an 8.
And the goal deflected off Lovren so a 5 is a cunts score for Adrian. He was very solid. 7
I'm not sure "Get to fuck" was an appropriate response when I scored Lovren 7 and you thought it should have been an 8, and I at least spelled his name right
And Adrian still should have saved it.
So, as well as a debate on exactly what each rating 0-10 means, we also need a debate on the appropriateness of the respective levels of invective when posting in disagreement.
That's the international break sorted then - I wont stay to watch
Ha ha. True enough. Ok well he was excellent considering it’s his first kick in the league against a very tricky side.
Fine margins for a keeper that close in. He made a brilliant save at Vardys feet earlier, covered the shot that wizzed past the post well and claimed a number of crosses. He had a good game.
I think Adrian had a good game. Not sure about the goal, but we seem to let in more than before and I look forward to having Becker back. Anyway he deserves more than 5, but I don't give a shit.
Love this response to those who think we had a lucky win against Leicester:
Match Of The Day pundits and doubters missed the point about Liverpool against Leicester
Stats behind Liverpool's performance in 2-1 win against Leicester City suggest a different story to the one some pundits and rival fans are telling....
Jurgen Klopp and Brendan Rodgers at Anfield
Liverpool left it very, very late to secure the points against Leicester City at Anfield on Saturday. With 92:17 on the clock, Sadio Mané was fouled in the box. The penalty was confirmed by VAR at 93:40, and the ball hit the back of the net at 94:31, in a match scheduled to have four additional minutes. It couldn’t have been much closer.
If you’ve got a high pressure penalty, you want James Milner to take it. The veteran has scored Liverpool’s last three winners which came from the spot, with each of them coming in the 81st minute at the eariest.
Milner slotted home a late match-settling penalty at Craven Cottage in the second game of Liverpool’s current record breaking 17-match winning streak. Prior to that, he netted an 84th minute spot kick at Swansea in October 2016 when the Reds came from behind to take the points. Three late penalties, three 2-1 wins.
But for the sake of argument, let’s say the spot-kick wasn’t awarded. Let’s say the high priests of punditry on Match Of The Day were correct, that it’s a contact sport and so contact in the box isn’t worthy of a penalty.
Let’s assume the match had ended 1-1 and Liverpool had only made the joint-seventh best start to a season in Premier League history, rather than the second best (as the Chelsea side of 2005/06 had eight wins and a goal difference of 16 at this point). If that had been the outcome, would Leicester have deserved a draw?
Not a bit of it.
Leicester really struggled to live with the Reds throughout. Liverpool completed 17 take-ons in this match, at least six more than in any every league game this term, and their joint-most in any since the start of 2018/19.
The other match where they made 17 successful dribbles – the 5-0 win over Watford at Anfield – saw them attempt 13 more than they did on Saturday, making the Leicester game Liverpool’s most effective, efficient dribbling performance for quite some time.
Roberto Firmino was the tormentor in chief, as he completed four take-ons, but in total eight Reds went past an opponent with the ball at least once.
The most important dribble belonged to Divock Origi, who received the only pass of Adam Lallana’s cameo, took the ball past Ricardo Pereira and drove towards the box where Mané was ultimately fouled. The two late substitutes made small but vital contributions to Liverpool’s victory.
And when the dribbles were not successful, the home side were often taken down by unfair means. The Foxes were forced into making a total of 17 fouls, for the first time in 28 league games. They last committed more infringements 30 games prior to that.
The net result was that they received four bookings, which was twice as many as the number of goal attempts they had. Leicester were chasing shadows at times on Saturday.
But if we really want to determine if the visitors deserved a point, we need to look at the shots both sides had. Prior to the penalty, Liverpool had already had five clear-cut chances, just as they did in midweek against Salzburg.
The difference was that against the Austrian champions they converted four out of five, but here it was only one. Scoring five out of the ten in total from the last two games is above average – converting around one in three is par – but of course you can’t choose when the successful ones occur.
We can also assess each team’s chance quality using expected goals (‘xG’), a system which assigns a value to each shot based on the historic conversion rates of similar opportunities.
FiveThirtyEight scored the chances from this match at 4.4 expected goals to Liverpool and 0.1 to Leicester, which (while certainly not definitive) suggests that a 4-0 home win might have been a fairer outcome.
But we’re choosing to ignore the penalty out of interest, don’t forget. Even if we subtract Milner’s winner from Liverpool’s xG score, this game was still in FiveThirtyEight’s 130 most one sided matches in their database of over 14,000 games from 18 different leagues across the last three years. Include the penalty, because it was a penalty, and this game is ranked 36th for a team most deserving to win. And this was after only two days rest following a rollercoaster European match, against the club who went into the game third in the league. A team who had prior to kick-off conceded the fewest clear-cut chances in the Premier League this season. Liverpool literally doubled Leicester’s tally for 2019/20 with their efforts here.
So convince yourself it wasn’t a penalty if you must, pundits and rival fans alike. It doesn’t change the fact that the Reds undoubtedly deserved to take all three points on Saturday. They deserved it more than pretty much any team in any league will deserve to win this season.
‘If Keita’ if if if. Keita will be gone in the summer, he is a fraud.
Mane's energy was unbelievable, he was everywhere.
He tore up the Bundesliga before we signed him and, after an iffy start for us, was looking boss when he got crocked. It hasn't fully clicked for him so far and he still has to prove he can do it long-term over here, but "fraud" he ain't.