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Man of the Match MOTM Everton (H) 2 - 1 - Momo’s POTS awards
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Yeah… well your list is just disrespectful!!!!
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A clean sweep by probably the best midfielder in the league, if not the world, on current form. 34 votes, 34 1st place choices for Ryan Gravenberch. Last season I toyed with double points for such a clean sweep.
Ekitike and Kerkez tied with 44 points each, with Hugo getting the runner up spot due to 12 second place picks compared to 11 for Kerkez.
Normally, I would close the thread but I’ll leave it open to allow people to have their say on double points for a clean sweep.
NO MORE VOTES WILL BE COUNTED.
Ekitike and Kerkez tied with 44 points each, with Hugo getting the runner up spot due to 12 second place picks compared to 11 for Kerkez.
Normally, I would close the thread but I’ll leave it open to allow people to have their say on double points for a clean sweep.
NO MORE VOTES WILL BE COUNTED.
Do goals tend to skew these results somewhat, and I appreciate that goals are important.
Both Gravenberg and Ekiteke on the score sheet and rated one and two.
Ekiteke stared really strongly and took his goal superbly but had faded considerably by the time he was subbed.
Maybe you could extract how much goals affect the final tally on average
Both Gravenberg and Ekiteke on the score sheet and rated one and two.
Ekiteke stared really strongly and took his goal superbly but had faded considerably by the time he was subbed.
Maybe you could extract how much goals affect the final tally on average
That’s the Mo Salah effect.
They should though, I'm not sure people take it into account enough. Depends on what you consider to be a man of the match, for me, it's the players that had most impact on the result, and 9 times out of ten, that's the players that score, or make goals happen, not the players that are consistent.
I think you need context to that.
A player who scores a tap in and does little else in the game doesn't merit extra recognition extreme, case though that is.
I guess the importance of the goals in a game has an impact on peoples thinking too.
Scoring a banger of a last goal in a rout probably wouldn't have the same impact as if it was the winner, a la Szoboszlai against Arsenal.
I am not trying to downplay the importance of goals obviously but just considering that they might have a disproportionate affect on these motm threads.
Don't start me off on defenders and keepers not being duly recognised for their contributions.😉
Yes, it does need context, first goals, and goals that put us ahead should have higher impact. If there's two or three defensive players in the top three, then 9 times out of 10 it'll mean we've drawn 0-0 or lost.
Yeah I was just going to mention that last bit. I guess neither VvD nor Ali will ever get MotM again then !
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I did some analysis on this using last seasons POTS. I think it was line with many debates on here. Salah came top when all he did was score. I’ll dig out what I recorded later today.
More likely it will mean we won 1-0 !
My point is, if all he did was score, and we won because of those goals, imo he should be number one, or at worst number two, even if he did nothing besides that.
However, he had many games, like earlier this season, where he was not contributing for 89 minutes whereas others were putting in the graft and making chances, preventing the opposition, etc. Mo gets a pen, scores it and get MOTM. It’s not a black and white thing. Winning games isn’t just scoring goals, it’s stopping the opposition too.
The easiest thing to point to is Gravenberch was voted our second best player last season. He only scored once didn’t he?
Its obviously not all scoring goals. I don't remember who finished where last year, but would imagine Diaz, Gakpo and Jota did pretty well, and Salah finished clear on top?
A last minute penalty, well, it's not worth nothing, not all penalties are scored, especially ones late in the game. It's not the same as a goal out of nothing, if that's the point. In this hypothetical game, if it was a last minute penalty to win 1-0, I would think he'd be good enough for top five for scoring that at least, depends on what else happened.
It was quite an even spread between scorers and non-scorers.
We had 18 occasions where the first scorer got MOTM. 18 occasions where those who scored didn’t get MOTM. 25 occasions where the MOTM didn’t score which includes 6 times where the keeper got the MOTM.
We had this hypothetical last minute penalty situation against Burnley. Salah tucked it away and came 6th is the scoring out of 7 who had any votes.
We had 18 occasions where the first scorer got MOTM. 18 occasions where those who scored didn’t get MOTM. 25 occasions where the MOTM didn’t score which includes 6 times where the keeper got the MOTM.
We had this hypothetical last minute penalty situation against Burnley. Salah tucked it away and came 6th is the scoring out of 7 who had any votes.
Basically if you play absolutely fucking shite, you're not getting any/many votes.
If you're consistently boss, like Ali, Virg and Grav are, chances are everyone'll be sucking them off.
Salah got a very nice assist here, in a game we only scored 2 in, yet finished where? 4th? 5th maybe? It's because he spent the rest of the game doing little else and leaving Bradley exposed time and time again, fuck off Mo.
If you're consistently boss, like Ali, Virg and Grav are, chances are everyone'll be sucking them off.
Salah got a very nice assist here, in a game we only scored 2 in, yet finished where? 4th? 5th maybe? It's because he spent the rest of the game doing little else and leaving Bradley exposed time and time again, fuck off Mo.
I don't remember that game, but I think this site underestimates how difficult and important goal scoring is.
Post game, even Dreamy called Salah putrid. I think quite a lot of us recognise how important goals can be but also can see many more aspects of the game.
I don't remember the game, but if DB said it, it must be true.
I'm trying to generalise, but there's obviously exceptions.
This is because most on SCM are an appreciative bunch who know where the credit really lies in any one game 😉
Is that because we have been spoiled with goal scorers over the years?
It makes for quite the interesting debate.
Who is most underestimated/overestimated, strikers midfielders, defenders or goalkeepers.
Well we've only got one GK who's scored so that's a slam dunk and no debate for Ali !
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