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Mistakes this season

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by bluebell, Apr 5, 2021 at 09:31.

  1. bluebell

    bluebell Well-Known Member

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    The fuck-ups are down to FSG and their money scrimping antics which could backfire, if we fail to get into the CL.
    Back in the summer they let both Hoever and Lovren leave and then not recruit until the last day of the winter transfer window. I am sure it is they that wanted a win in that dead rubber game against the Midgets - which caused Jota to be injured.

    Playing strong sides in the domestic cup games was another mistake, as they could have been used to give the 1st teamers a rest and the squad/reserve players game time. However, they were played and added fatigue to the squad.

    Anyone who has paid even the smallest interest in Liverpool would have known once VVD got injured it was only matter of time before Matip and Gomez would be out for long spells. Soon as Jan 1st comes get your loan targets.

    Having defenders in defence and midfielders in midfield is now paying dividends.
     
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    momoWASboss Very Well-Known Member

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    Sigh. Let’s do this again.

    Lovren was fucking rubbish. He was an absolute liability. Has a worse injury record than Matip. He’d have played 3 games and out for 7 and it was as we were.

    Hoever going helped secure Jota. He wasn’t anywhere near the quality to be pushing the first team. See ya later.

    The big defensive mistake was not trusting Phillips once van Dijk was out.

    Playing Jota in a dead rubber was THE biggest mistake this season.

    None of this is on FSG.
     
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    Squiggles Very Well-Known Member

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    Mistakes have been made both by FSG and Klopp, although it's clear FSGs mistakes have forced Klopp into difficult situations.

    Not trusting Phillips enough was Klopps biggest mistake this season. He started with a MOTM performance against West Ham and never really him any reason not to drop him. Klopp wanted midfielders there to replicate his ball playing CBs, but he sacrificed the midfield to achieve it. The system fell apart without the high energy midfield. The players lost confidence both in themselves and in the system, and results nose dived.

    FSG also have to take their share of the blame. Going into the season with three senior CBs was a risk, but a calculated one. VVD never gets injured, so that leaves two to cover one spot, and Fabinho as a make shift. Obviously it unraveled badly, but we were unfortunate with that. Pickford is largely responsible.

    The biggest issue was not having anyone lined up on January first. The games were coming thick and fast. We had loads of time to get a plan together for January, but we didn't strike until the end of the window. This was a time of genuine sporting crisis. We needed decisive leadership and support. Instead it felt like we only got funds released after Matip went down, and even then the Davies fee had to be covered by Takis loan deal, and Kabak has thankfully arrived without a fee.

    This was stinginess on a whole new level from FSG, and made Klopp and Edwards job extremely difficult. The amount of potential deals they would have had to discard due to the insistence or a zero net spend would have been significant.
     
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  4. momoWASboss

    momoWASboss Very Well-Known Member

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    What was the point in the Davies deal?
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    Like in principle. Should have replaced lovren. That's on FSG
     
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  6. bluebell

    bluebell Well-Known Member

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    Hoever is a better CB then Hendo, we lost all shape when we put Hendo at CB.
    Realising the mistake, the club should have remedied the issue in Jan. We might not be top but we would have been in the top 4 or close to it. It was Klopp telling reporters its not upto him to sign players.
    It's FSG that asked Klopp to win that game as it could have generated €1.5m more with a win.
     
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    SummerOnions Let's Push Things Forward Member

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    Assuming it was a bung at this stage
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    He's just getting the Robbo treatment. Player of the season next year*

    *For Oldham
     
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  9. momoWASboss

    momoWASboss Very Well-Known Member

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    Playing Phillips from the start would’ve meant Hendo wouldn’t have played there.

    Ignoring that point, you think we’d be better off keeping Hoever and never getting Jota?

    That 1.5m bonus is bull shit rumour.
     
  10. Hansern

    Hansern SCM Addict Member

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    He’ll be sold for 15 mill to someone else
     
  11. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    Mistakes all over the shop.

    None more so than my dead rubber claim.

    Not playing the kids in the CL dead rubber was the big one for me.

    Cost is Jota who would have papered over enough cracks to easily be 2nd.
     
  12. Modo

    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    He wasn't ready for prime time, I guess.
    Buy a player for £2 million, get a £2 million type player, that's usually how it goes.
    I think he was bought out of desperation. We needed a 4th choice, we thought he'd be better than Rhys Williams and he apparently isn't.

    It'll be interesting to see what Klopp does regarding our CB situation. Buying Kabak is a fucking must. 21 years old, starting alongside Soyuncu for Turkey and playing this well for us, would be stupid to pass on him.
    Van Dijk is obviously our first choice.
    Matip is our second best defender. We all know about his injuries, but Klopp likes him so I'm not sure he'll let him go.
    The Kabak transfer must be made permanent.
    Rhys will be loaned out to a Championship level team.
    Davies will either be sold or loaned out.
    So that leaves Philips and Gomez to battle it out for the 4 th spot and I think that is exactly what's going to happen. We're going to start the season with 5 CB's in the squad.
    Why? Because we have three CB's returning from serious injuries. Who knows how good they'll be when they return?

    This whole talk about buying the Leipzig guy is a bit strange to me, not sure how Klopp is thinking.
    If it does happen, it's the end of the line for one of the 3 senior defenders who started the season.
     
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  13. bluebell

    bluebell Well-Known Member

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    nope - I am not against selling any player but a replacement should have been recruited. At the very least they should have realised the mistake and rectified it in Winter window not wait for Matip to be injured and out for the whole season. If Matip was only out for two weeks, I dare say  FSG would have got any one.
     
  14. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    Gomez and Matip will not be fit!
     
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    tomasjj Well-Known Member

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    Nah, not completely buying that.

    When VVD got knocked to pieces, we should have been in the market asap, not waited til end of January when Matip went down.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Ever?
     
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    Hansern SCM Addict Member

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    Are they dead?
     
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    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    Not at the same time to mean we have 5 CB’s.
     
  19. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    Thoughts and prayers.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    What do you mean? They'll all be back for pre season. Unless, you're telling me that we're getting rid during the summer.
     

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