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Matip

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by LeTallecWiz, Sep 14, 2021.

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  1. LeTallecWiz

    LeTallecWiz Administrator Administrator

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    Modo likes to bang on about him, and he's right ...
    When healthy, he's a top top class CB ... not VvD class, but that level below which is why those two are so hard to get by.
    I think this pairing is on the same level as Rio-Vidic, Terry-Carvahlo etc ...
     
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    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    He needs to stay fit for a whole season before he can even be discussed like that.
    Even then we’d want to win 1 or 2 more league titles for those comparisons.
     
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    Hansern SCM Addict Member

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    Yeah, Modo is right to bang his drum as well. When fit, which has been a major issue obviously, he has slowly developed into one of the top CBs in the league. No doubt.

    The stats with Virgil - Matip - Alisson are insane.

    Fingers crossed he can stay fit for the entire season. He has looked fantastic, again.
     
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    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    Rough translation - Matip didn’t play for Man Utd or was coached by the greatest manager ever that isn’t called Sir or Pep, to be considered “that” level.

    Also - neither are Roy Keane.
     
  5. LeTallecWiz

    LeTallecWiz Administrator Administrator

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    LOL

    Has there been a better diamond in recent memory in the premier league

    Alli

    Matip   VVd

    Fab

    It's insane.
     
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    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    Oh god... you’ll trigger him!!!
     
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    Hansern SCM Addict Member

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    Thats the spine of our best eleven.

    *Points towards the sky and remembers Ryan
     
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    I actually think the "not as good as VVD" caveat isn't that necessary any more.

    Plenty of games now where he's been the better of the two.
     
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    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    He runs like a giraffe, but he's very hard to stop when in full flow. Taking full advantage of Leeds' man-to-man marking to become the spare man that unlocks the defense.
     
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    was going to say this myself, there was a run of games where you’d think he was the one that cost £75m a while back
     
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    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    Well, the one thing that VVD has over Matip is the dominant physicality – players know that he can bully them as well as outplay and outpace them. And it's important to have an alpha dog in the team. But in terms of the defender's craft: positioning, marking, decisions, all those things – Matip is second to none including VVD. It's so good to see him and Virgil in action together, in fact like @LeTallecWiz said that defensive "diamond" with Alli and Fabs is just spectacular. Please stay fit, Joel!
     
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    peekay Very Well-Known Member

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    I think VVD-Matip as a partnership are better on the ball than Rio-Vidic, particularly Vidic, but as good defensively. I don't think Terry-Carvahlo will look quite as good in a Klopp-style attacking setup.
     
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    Frogfish Gone to Redcafe Member

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    That God for that. I dread seeing a 'Matip' thread as I always 'know' it's going to be a story about how he injured himself getting out of the car and is out for 3 months.

    That aside agree with everyone. He's Class.
     
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    He is 1 of the best defenders in the world,

    How many games is it we've lost when he's played? like 2 in the last 50?

    Bit of a shame he's 30 now, feels like he's only been here for 2 years.
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    He's got two more games. Then he'll snap his nob or break a thumb or something equally fucking daft. He's a very good player while he's playing but it's a good job we bought that other dude.
     
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    I really hope Klopp keeps him just for PL games, manage his workload, keep him healthy & recovered and use other top class CBs in the CL & cup games. We need him, he is superb in the air, good on the ball and really getting into rhythm quickly.
     
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    How can you leave Salah out?
     
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    Brizzle Very Well-Known Member

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    Because Salah doesn't play as a GK, CB or DM which is the positional diamond LTW is trying to demonstrate!
     
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    LeTallecWiz Administrator Administrator

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    diamonds are 4 points!  if i add salah i'm talking about pentagons !
     
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    Fair enough I missed the diamond bit.
    For me Salah goes in any world spine in whatever context every time.
     
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