Nothing to do with China or Chinese stats. And even Chinese stats are way better than your total lack of anything interesting or informative.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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How Trump fucked the USA (good read):
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...BNKP8C0JOmCjD7RZC9BbxZ_jFh_SEcEVuVyy7-_UpODY8
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...BNKP8C0JOmCjD7RZC9BbxZ_jFh_SEcEVuVyy7-_UpODY8
No quoted source for this so therefore no idea of credibility however it makes sense so maybe worth a read :
Message from a consultant in ICU.
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Why do we need to shut places where people group?
Remember this: VIRAL LOAD
There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?
With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.
So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.
Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.
This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.
This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.
Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.
If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.
No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.
If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.
THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:
If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.
A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.
If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.
Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.
REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD
It could save your life or your child’s
Message from a consultant in ICU.
===============
Why do we need to shut places where people group?
Remember this: VIRAL LOAD
There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?
With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.
So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.
Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.
This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.
This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.
Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.
If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.
No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.
If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.
THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:
If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.
A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.
If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.
Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.
REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD
It could save your life or your child’s
Yep, there's gonna be a shitload of smack heads & crackheads going cold turkey, cos obv no new product is coming in.
I haven't even tried to get any beak in (wouldn't be great for my mental health when constantly stuck in) but can't imagine there's much about currently.
Well, I'm sure that since it's already illegal, there may be some ways to get product here, but surely the price will go up? Depends on their market, because casual drug users will buy much less anyway, due to not travelling, so it may balance out a bit.
And there's also the issue of dealers on streets, more police monitoring random home visits, and then there's the money issue for that more desperate end of the proper junkie with no legal income - more difficult to beg, shoplift, mug people, be a hooker or burgle houses now.
The draft is drinkable the cans are some fucking sweet muck
Yeah, but traffic through ports is greatly reduced, & you'd assume a fair few of the methods used will be deemed non essential, so will potentially be stuck in holding areas.
I've heard rumours that a lot of drug shipments are done through flower importation, it's much harder for them to be checked thoroughly without damaging them & the dogs are much less effective for obvious reasons.
No doubt there's still some shipments coming in, but there'll be greatly reduced.
And yeah, then you've got loads more police about, a lot less traffic, esp in the evenings, so moving drugs would not be a good idea.
Hah. You may jest, but the one dealer I knew very very well growing up, (who actually retired aged 35 with a LOT of money & without having been arrested for more than possession) had a shell company that he put his cash through & used to swap 'company' cars on a regular basis.
So the more savvy dealers definitely will be eligible (although I suspect they wouldn't bother for obvious reasons), but I doubt there's too many like that about.
I don’t understand what Britney is trying to say.
I've been told the same by a pharmacist whose judgment I trust.
I for one welcome the current socialism. I'm capitalist because it improves peoples lives. The threat of their lives being terminated by a biological catastrophe takes precedence at the current time, and the best way to deal with that threat is to take ownership of all essential infrastructure, I'd even suspend all trading on financial markets, and bring in the military to operate and/or supervise energy and food production. Wait it out. Boris might get into an altercation with one of the soldiers and get shot. These things happen. Then return to capitalism under Mogg this time next year.
Just to correct that mate (as an ex-C&E dog-handler for 5 years) in case anyone here gets the idea to try bringing in a few grammes in a bunch of tulips. Trying to mask the smell of any drug doesn't work because of the insane sensitivity of a dog's nose. For them adding scents to try to cover the smell of the drug is just like adding peas to your steak dinner - the steak is still clearly visible. Hermetically sealing is pretty much the only sensible way to prevent scent leakage - assuming they had the sense to use rubber gloves when packing.
Ah, I say it cos I spoke to a dog handler & he said similar, but he said the dogs are only really effective for a short window & then need to rest for a while, but when sniffing through certain things (he specifically mentioned flowers), that window is even shorter.
He was talking it about cos we were having a conversation about using drug dogs at festivals, & he said that after the first hour or so they basically used the dogs as an excuse to search people they suspected, & make people with something to hide react, rather than to genuinely sniff stuff out.
I think she may be trying to claim she ran a 100m in under 6 seconds.
Which is a whopper of a lie.
Jesus fucking christ.
From what I remember when I was working in a research group that designed equipment for sniffing out things, the dogs get knackered after about half an hour's work. It's mentally and physically exhausting for them. So what your man said makes sense. Also explains why sniffer dogs are racist. It's probably the handler that's racist.
Haha yeah. It's not that they are not effective at all (their noses still work and we've had dogs get the scent and go with it when resting or just walking around, the handler must be watching his dog to notice it though) but yes it does tire them out when working for a while.
I had one find at the postal depot in Manchester. It was weird because clearly there was nothing in the letter (dogs searched bundles of letters and when we had a 'hit' it was usually easy to pick out the letter with gear in it). On opening it up there were hundreds of acid tabs on blotting paper. The dog wasn't trained for them (very difficult and not worth it) but the guy must have been smoking or handling hash before touching the envelope.
I used to work a lot on the ships at Gladstone, Seaforth, Alexandra docks etc. and we (we worked in pairs) could cover a ship in a day but it was one dog on one dog off as they need resting. Awesome fun when you're young though!
I had to remove a hooker from a cabin to search it once, they'd clearly been at it because the dog jumped up on the bunk and his nose was then stuck to the wet patch .. and he absolutely refused to move - search over!
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It's a bit longer than that but it depends what you are searching and it's not non-stop. And it should be noted that the Police, C&E and Army all had different training methods and procedures (this was 40 years ago mind) ! I was trained by the RAF who at that time were training attack dogs, FX (firearms and explosives mainly for NI) and drug dogs, they trained all C&E handlers, and were absolutely superb.
We would prepare a search area (cabin, room, warehouse whatever) and then search it and then move onto the next. The handlers were working non-stop - the dogs obviously not between actual searches, and they can clear a room very very quickly. We used to swap dogs every hour.
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Car just pulled up outside the house across the road from me. The older couple who live there came out, a young family got out of the car and there they all were socialising normally, with two young kids and a couple of dogs running around all over the place.
What in the name of feck does it take for some people to get the piggin message?
What in the name of feck does it take for some people to get the piggin message?
Fuck me. It's ridiculous how many people don't understand how serious this can be.
That’s Baby Yoda you’re thinking of.
Can we get a “Not Safe for Dantes” tag on this please.
I don't think the info is legit. Civil service offices are closing from tomorrow
