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Yossi vs Silva

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rurikbird

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I've been thinking about this question for a while, but especially after tonight's game - if our dreams came true and we did after all find money to buy Silva this summer and suppose he played exactly like Benayoun has been playing for us this season - same amount of goals and assists, same level of performance - what would people say about the purchase? Would you say that the player (Silva) is living up to your expectations?

Personally, I would. I don't think Silva would be able to play much better than Benayoun already played this season. I think, at age 29, he blossomed into a top-class player.
 
Having both would be ideal.

Anyone else notice Rafa's pointed remark about not having "four 15M pound wingers" at his disposal?
 
The only extra thing I would hope for improved decision making, something I think Silva possesses.

But I take your point, Yossi has looked a real bargain for a very long time now.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36725.msg971527#msg971527 date=1256522785]
Having both would be ideal.

Anyone else notice Rafa's pointed remark about not having "four 15M pound wingers" at his disposal?

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Yeah.

Playing devil's advocate though I didn't hear him comment on having three 25m pound CM's in his squad while Fergie has none.
 
A year ago I would gladly sell Benayoun to partially offset the cost of buying Silva. Now I wouldn't.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36725.msg971527#msg971527 date=1256522785]
Having both would be ideal.

Anyone else notice Rafa's pointed remark about not having "four 15M pound wingers" at his disposal?

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Yeah.

Playing devil's advocate though I didn't hear him comment on having three 25m pound CM's in his squad while Fergie has none.
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Hargreaves - 18M
Carrick - 18.5M
Anderson - 18M

V

Masher - 18M
Aquilani - 20M
Lucas - 5M


What am I missing?
 
Porto must still be rolling around in that money laughing their tits off.
 
difficult to say, think Silva has a lot of potential but Yossi is experienced

Silva will cost 20m+ and will only be for sale if they finish outside the CL places and even then it's not certain we could get him as Valencia dont tend to sell their best players
 
I would of snapped the hand off to replace Yossi a year or so ago, but he has been the player of the season so far IMO.

I always liked him at West Ham and was a bit disappointed he never really took off, while never being terribly shit either, but now I think hes really proved himself - Quality addition this team.
 
Yossi was superb last season and again so far this - I wouldn't have sold him at the end of last, nor would I sell him now.

However, it would be brilliant to have Silva as well. The options that brings to the team / squad is immense and we are still lacking in creativity and a decent set piece taker (though Aurelio again proved he is better than Gerrard in that area) and goal threat. It would be like having a Giggs or Rooney over our FKs around the penalty area ... very dangerous.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36725.msg971527#msg971527 date=1256522785]
Having both would be ideal.

Anyone else notice Rafa's pointed remark about not having "four 15M pound wingers" at his disposal?

[/quote]

Yeah.

Playing devil's advocate though I didn't hear him comment on having three 25m pound CM's in his squad while Fergie has none.
[/quote]

Hargreaves - 18M
Carrick - 18.5M
Anderson - 18M

V

Masher - 18M
Aquilani - 20M
Lucas - 5M


What am I missing?
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Possibly Gerrard at 35m as a start.

I'm amazed if Anderson cost 18m - is that for real?
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36725.msg971553#msg971553 date=1256537355]
Yossi was superb last season and again so far this - I wouldn't have sold him at the end of last, nor would I sell him now.

However, it would be brilliant to have Silva as well. The options that brings to the team / squad is immense and we are still lacking in creativity and a decent set piece taker (though Aurelio again proved he is better than Gerrard in that area) and goal threat. It would be like having a Giggs or Rooney over our FKs around the penalty area ... very dangerous.
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Rooney is worse than Gerrard at free kicks...
 
i don't think it was ever yossi vs silva. sell doseena, riera and babel (26 million plus spent right there) and use money towards silva.

i still think we'd get over 15 million and closer to 20 million selling those 3 and silva won't cost more than 25 million.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36725.msg971567#msg971567 date=1256541319]
i don't think it was ever yossi vs silva. sell doseena, riera and babel (26 million plus spent right there) and use money towards silva.

i still think we'd get over 15 million and closer to 20 million selling those 3 and silva won't cost more than 25 million.
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I think the OP's point was whether Silva would be a sufficient upgrade on Yossi to warrant the purchase. While Silva would be a great asset to have, so long as Yossi maintains form, I don't think it's a priority purchase anymore. I would like to have a pacy, direct option on one of the wings though.
 
i still think we need a priority purchase for the left. yossi is best in the hole or even right. imo i think that not for the first time yossi has shown he can deputise for gerrard in that behind torres role.

yossi and kuyt can also be rotated for the right. its on the left that we are still weak and silva would transform us there. can't see it happening unless rafa can offload doseena in january and babel has a great world cup and can be sold off the back of that. we'd comfortably sell riera for pretty much what we paid for him.

3 positions that can be rotated by 5 players would be excellent - gerrard, yossi, kuyt, silva and maybe an el zahr type kid. also aurelio could cover on the left as well if need be.
 
Mata is another very good left-sided player at Valencia. Scored a cracking goal yesterday... and hasn't yet put pen to paper on a new contract.
 
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Mata is another very good left-sided player at Valencia. Scored a cracking goal yesterday... and hasn't yet put pen to paper on a new contract.
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Seconded. Didn't barca try and sign him in the summer though?
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36725.msg971527#msg971527 date=1256522785]
Having both would be ideal.

Anyone else notice Rafa's pointed remark about not having "four 15M pound wingers" at his disposal?

[/quote]

Yeah.

Playing devil's advocate though I didn't hear him comment on having three 25m pound CM's in his squad while Fergie has none.
[/quote]

Hargreaves - 18M
Carrick - 18.5M
Anderson - 18M

V

Masher - 18M
Aquilani - 20M
Lucas - 5M


What am I missing?
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Possibly Gerrard at 35m as a start.

I'm amazed if Anderson cost 18m - is that for real?
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Think so; Predator and Nani cost about 34 million.
 
yossi would be an utterly devastating player if he knew exactly when to release the ball (rather than attempting to take on the entire opposition single handidly).
 
That's become of a bit of a cliche now and not altogether true either. He could go all season passing and moving to perfection and people would still trot out the "yeah, he'd be word class if he knew when to release the ball".
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36725.msg971939#msg971939 date=1256574119]
That's become of a bit of a cliche now and not altogether true either. He could go all season passing and moving to perfection and people would still trot out the "yeah, he'd be word class if he knew when to release the ball".
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I don't think it is to be honest. glorious chance to shot attempts to cut inside. glorious chance to play someone in on the left (this is where he is tearing through the middle falls over but still has control of the ball, dallies and they nick the ball off his toe. I'm not daming with faint praise he really does need to release the ball earlier all though it was a top ball for torres and a terrific cross for aurelio.
 
I don't mind too much if Yossi sometimes makes the wrong decisions. The fact is he's superb at making space for himself between the lines, more so than anyone else, and therefore gives himself more opportunities to deliver.

My only gripe is he doesn't shoot enough, which is a shame because he's a decent finisher.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36725.msg971973#msg971973 date=1256576846]
I don't mind too much if Yossi sometimes makes the wrong decisions. The fact is he's superb at making space for himself between the lines, more so than anyone else, and therefore gives himself more opportunities to deliver.

My only gripe is he doesn't shoot enough, which is a shame because he's a decent finisher.
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He has the uncanny ability to wait defenders out and then take the option they didn't cover. It's amazing how space just seems to open up for him time and again; I'm not sure if opposition players underestimate him (long may it continue if so) or if he really is that deceptive. Occasionally he drops the shoulder and the whole stadium seems to buy it but sometimes he does nothing and defenders start leaning in other directions.


I could not believe he didn't take the shot on Sunday though. He seemed to get so caught up in creating space for the shot he forgot what the point was and just kept trying to create more space.
 
Yeah, he reminds me a jinky, side-stepping scrum half in Rugby, constantly probing for space and wrong footing the defence.

You really have to be on your toes to play against him, so many get left flat-footed by the nimble Israeli. I think defenders get caught out because there aren't many players of his type around any more - Joe Cole, Hunt are some of the few - other attacking players tend to be all about pace and power.
 
Casper isn't close to 'world class' whichever fucking way you want to look at it, and 'releasing the ball at the right time' notwithstanding

Jesus Fuck
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36725.msg971527#msg971527 date=1256522785]
Having both would be ideal.

Anyone else notice Rafa's pointed remark about not having "four 15M pound wingers" at his disposal?

[/quote]

Yeah.

Playing devil's advocate though I didn't hear him comment on having three 25m pound CM's in his squad while Fergie has none.
[/quote]

Hargreaves - 18M
Carrick - 18.5M
Anderson - 18M

V

Masher - 18M
Aquilani - 20M
Lucas - 5M


What am I missing?
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Possibly Gerrard at 35m as a start.

I'm amazed if Anderson cost 18m - is that for real?
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When did we buy Gerrard for £35M? What?

Estimates on Giggs and Scholes as well as the £25M spend on Rooney needs to be included as well then. Berbatov were only marginal more expensive than Torres so I reckon we can leave that out.

What ever point you are trying to make it doesn't really add up..
 
Regardless of world class or not Brendan (and before you ask I do not think he is) Yossi has been one of our best players from the second half of last season to where we are now.
 
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