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Who is the best fullback?

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rurikbird

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So many great choices there... for me the idea of someone being "best" will be always inconclusive, because it always depends on the team and style of play; for one system you might choose Maldini and for another Jordi Alba, for example.

But for me the standouts from this list are the Brazilians: Cafu, Roberto Carlos and Dani Alves. They redefined the role of the modern full-back and started the chain reaction that led to the popularity of inverted wingers (since full-backs were now expected to provide width), which in turn led to the demise of the #10 (because inverted wingers were now drifting into that space in the middle previously occupied by the playmakers), the creation of "false 9s" etc. I remember the instant transformation of AC Milan after the purchase of Cafu – it seemed like the team has suddenly grown wings, there was more space on the pitch everywhere and the ball started moving a lot quicker. And people nowadays like to say Roberto Carlos was overrated, but he really defined an era by showing how a full-back can be primarily an attacking force.

Then there is a versatile midfielder/full-back type exemplified by Lahm, Javier Zanetti and now Milner. It's pleasing to note that Klopp throughout his career has been at the cutting edge of tactical development in this area, both with attack-minded and midfielder-fullbacks. I'm really curious to see particularly how Alexander-Arnold will develop in the coming years – I think he combines qualities of the Lahm type with the Cafu type and perhaps he can become a player that will redefine the position once again.
 
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Cafu is really the template of the modern full back. How many players can you think of that redined what it means to play in their position? In that sense he gets my vote
 
Erm...Brazil have had Cafu types as far back as the 70s and even before then. If Cafu was not Cafu...he would never have played for Brazil. The captain of the 1970 team is missing in your list and he should be top of the pile, Carlos Alberto. Scorer of the best ever goal in a world cup.

Also Cafu was introduced in the final of the 94 world cup i think. He replaced Jorginho who was Better than Cafu and at the time played for Bayern Munich I think.
 
Erm...Brazil have had Cafu types as far back as the 70s and even before then. If Cafu was not Cafu...he would never have played for Brazil. The captain of the 1970 team is missing in your list and he should be top of the pile, Carlos Alberto. Scorer of the best ever goal in a world cup.

Also Cafu was introduced in the final of the 94 world cup i think. He replaced Jorginho who was Better than Cafu and at the time played for Bayern Munich I think.

You're completely right, Brazil has a long tradition of attacking full-backs. But Cafu and Roberto Carlos (and Alves, Maicon and Marcelo later) were the ones who have really made an impact on European game, forcing everyone else to try to copy them. Jorginho's time in Bayern was relatively short and the likes of Carlos Alberto never set foot in Europe.


A brief history of Brazilian full-backs
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POSTED BY: TÉO BENJAMIN OCTOBER 12, 2017

Gianluca Vialli used to say the right-back is the worst player in every team. The theory goes like this: if this player was more solid defensively, he would become a centre-back, while if better on the ball, he would become a winger. So, according to Vialli, the full-backs are these weird in-between players that have to do their job but don’t excel in anything. And the left-back is better simply because there are less left-footed players, so they are brought up with more attention and care.

This was never the case in Brazilian football. Kids grow up in Rio, São Paulo, Porto Alegre and Recife listening to the story of left-back Nilton Santos storming forward to score a wonderful goal against Austria in the 1958 World Cup while the manager Vicente Feola screamed at him, ordering the player to go back while he ran, dribbled and finished with style. Nilton Santos, known as “The Encyclopedia”, is said to have crafted the idea of a full-back joining the attack. He and right-back Djalma Santos are considered two of the best players in the team that brought the first World Cup home.

In fact, the most iconic goal ever scored in the World Cup came from a Brazilian right-back. Carlos Alberto Torres, “The Captain”, smashed the fourth goal of the final in 1970, crowning the best side a World Cup has ever seen. His vitality and vision on the right could not be ignored, adding to the already amazing attack formed by Rivellino, Tostao, Jairzinho and Pele. Marcelo, Dani Alves, Maicon, Alex Sandro, Danilo, Cafu and Roberto Carlos are among the dominating players in these positions at the top level in recent years. There is certainly something special about them that traces back to Nilton and Djalma, something the other nations were never quite capable of copying. But what is it?

Brazilian tactics

During the 90’s Brazilian managers were almost as obsessed with 4-4-2 formations as the English ones, but there was a key difference: Brazil neglected the wingers altogether, favouring two playmakers centrally to supply the two forwards. It was more of a 4-2-2-2, which means the full-backs were the only players out wide. This was only possible because the full-backs were already considered crucial parts of the team when in possession, combining physicality and technical skill. In the Brazilian game, full-backs were always responsible to offering width. There is a general rule (getting more flexible as the years pass and national styles mix) that “only one full-back go forward at a time”, but one of them has always to be forward, whether offering support or overlapping for a cross. People sometimes still ask in Brazil: “do you think full-backs are primarily defenders or not?” This probably sounds like a crazy question in Europe. No matter how Carvajal, Walker or Lahm are good offensively, it’s obvious their primary role is to lock the defence. Brazilian culture permits this kind of elucubration because these players were always seen as lethal weapons, not contingency plans.

Full-backs and skill: a perfect combination

Zé Roberto had great seasons in Germany for both Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich, but after a wonderful World Cup in 2006 playing as a kind of box-to-box midfielder, he went back to Brazil to play a single spectacular season for Santos as a number 10. He was simply fantastic that year, with goals and assists of every kind, and convinced Bayern to have him back. Almost ten years later, at 40 years old, Zé Roberto arrived in São Paulo to be the captain of Palmeiras, the new richest club of the country. Despite the preferences of the manager and fans, he asked to play as a left-back, his original position in youth, and finished the year lifting the Brazilian Cup, renewed his contract and won the league in the following season. Being more than comfortable on the ball doesn’t mean Brazilian full-backs don’t have to defend. They need to be consistent at the back, but it’s much more about positional intelligence than straight-forward tackling. Full-backs have to learn from an early age to occupy space and never leave a breach for the forward’s runs, which means it requires not only skill but also deep tactical awareness.

Junior was absolutely established as a right-back in Flamengo by the end of the 70’s, but when a newcomer arrived from the youth team, he had to switch to the left side in order to keep his place as a starter. The name of the young talent was Leandro, and he was a magician on the ball, considered one of the most skilled players in the mythical 1982 World Cup. They formed a legendary pair for both Flamengo and the Brazilian national team. Leandro, however, had severe injuries throughout his career and stopped playing prematurely at the age of 30. When he was only 26, the worst injury happened on his knee and he couldn’t cope with the intensity of his full-back duties anymore. The solution? He became a central defender. Leandro was always praised for his abilities with the ball and not so much for his defensive skills, but his intelligence and positioning helped him adapt quickly to his new position, where he won the league in 1987.

A history of great pairs

After Leandro and Junior came Jorginho and Branco, who played in 1990 and won the World Cup in 1994. When they left, Brazil had a problem in hand but found an almost permanent solution in Cafu and Roberto Carlos, who played three World Cups together (reaching two finals) and were absolute on the squad for over a decade. Marcelo and Dani Alves dominated afterwards, with a little spell from Maicon. Players like Danilo and Alex Sandro, brought up together at Santos, and youngsters like Jorge and Zeca await their chance to shine. Interestingly, we are talking about Nilton Santos and Djalma Santos, Leandro and Junior, Jorginho and Branco, Cafu and Roberto Carlos, Dani Alves and Marcelo. The history of Brazilian full-backs always comes in good pairs. They are so far from each other on the pitch, and rarely combine to create something, but one is so important to the other that they can only be seen together.

The tradition lives on. The torch lit by Nilton Santos is still being carried and passed through the generations. While in other countries full-backs are only expected to do a simple job, in Brazil they are the key to success.
 
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Teenage European Cup winner Trent Alexander-Arnold.

He’s probably not going to be anywhere near that list just yet. I just wanted an excuse to get us winning big ears in most conversations.
 
Why the fuck is Evra in there?

I think Gary Neville and the long-haired Argentinian are the most out-of-place ones. If I had to narrow this list down to 10, I would choose (in no particular order):

Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Dani Alves
Marcelo
Lahm
Brehme
Zanetti
Maldini
Thuram
Jordi Alba
 
I could spend months just talking about this subject. But I'm too old for that now and really don't have the patience to type long posts anymore.

Plus people like rurik and co can do a far better job.

But the evolution of fullbacks fascinate me. And you can see why most of the top managers place a high priority on them. Especially in today's game.
 
This idea that FB has evolved massively is balls. It's cyclical. Phil Neal and Barny were doing exactly the same thing 30 years ago.
 
I was just about to post my all time favourite LFC player, and then Bluebell goes and posts a picture of him (that looks nothing like him)
 
Roberto Carlos and cafu. Pace and power and sublime skill
My only gripe with Carlos is that he wasn't the smartest defender in the world, but he made up for it with what you just mentioned, pace and power. Remember his mistake against Denmark in the world cup?
I bet @Kay Age El remembers...haha.
 
Pick 1?? Don't think I can.

I'd probably go for Cafu and Lahm as a pair but pretty much and combination there is fantastic.

Maybe Dani Alves and Alba are the right answers for modern fullbacks in Klopps system.

Thuram was a big favourite of mine from world cup 98 but I just don't remember him that well, I recall him being an exceptional defender but I'm not sure he'd cut it going the opposite direction today.
 
He's there because no one else managed to stop Suarez in his tracks for 8 matches in a row.

Must have missed his first game against Utd where where he danced around half the team to set up Kuyt.

Or when he scored at OT on more than one occasion
 
I know I'm probably in the minority - but I always thought Zambrotta was a don.
Could play either side.
Fucking solid defender and added a lo when attacking too.

Was he as good defensively as Maldini? Nah.
was he as good offensively as the Brazilian dudes? Nah.
But overall, I think he was as good.
 
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