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Where is the direction of our club?

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According to this journalist, we're still unclear on many fronts. This is worrying, but it's hardly surprising isn't it? Wonder how long it'll really take to get us back on our feet.

Walking on... but where to and how fast?

13:36, 20 Dec 2012
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    Recent results reflect this too. Just nine days ago, they admirably scored three away from home without Luis Suarez to giddily leave themselves four points off fourth. On Saturday, though, they conceded three at Anfield with the Uruguayan, and are now as close to the relegation zone as they are the Champions League places.
    Of course, we all know where Liverpool have been. The club have one of the most glorious histories in the game and that can never be taken away. By contrast, despite certain perceptions about finances, that past has played a part in contributing to the fact that still have the fifth highest wage bill in the Premier League and the 18th among global sports teams overall. Ironically, that leaves them in between the Boston Red Sox franchise of their owners and Miami Heat.
    As such, as distant as the main London and Manchester clubs seem right now in terms of finances and form, the platform is still there for Liverpool to be a power.
    The key, though, is how that platform is used and who is on it. Because, for all the talk about the inherent traits of teams as well as 'club ways', it is ultimately individuals and infrastructures that enforce and condition them. Indeed, when you consider some of the so-called 'facts' about other teams from football's past, they may as well be part of a parallel universe.
    For quite a long period up to 1958, for example, Brazil were a country seemingly incapable of either winning a World Cup or escaping a pretty traumatic early history in the tournament. Similarly, Barcelona spent 30 years enduring constant political infighting and only winning two league titles — a situation that seems simply unthinkable now.
    Ultimately, though, the right people came in and the right principles were put in place.
    And, given that they're a club that have enjoyed the brilliance of the old Boot Room, the question must again be asked whether that's currently the case with Liverpool - especially when you look at some of the more infamous transfer market moves they have made.
    Those close to Anfield, in fact, have concerns about the current structure above the first team and the consequent effect on it. At the top, there are effective absentee owners. In between, there is a former commercial director in Ian Ayre who may not be completely suited to the demands of managing director without a degree of help. As a result of all that, then, there is an overall lack of leadership which was reflected in the clumsy manner the Suarez issue was handled.
    It says a lot that, as far as this column understands, Roberto Martinez turned down the Liverpool job because he was unimpressed with the club's general shape. To put that into some kind of context, an exceptionally sharp young manager who continues to defy economics felt the set-up at Wigan was more efficient and, ultimately, better for his long-term future. He didn't want to deal with the chaos.
    Of course, Liverpool ended up hiring someone whose best achievements have come on the back of Martinez's work. In fact, Michael Laudrup's instant adjustment at Swansea indicates that an excellent set-up may ultimately be more important than the actual identity of the manager, provided the right type is brought in. The same applies at West Brom who, relative to their size, have provided far better examples of the kind of 'Moneyball' market princuples the Liverpool owners are in thrall too.
    Let's be straight too: none of this is to say that Rodgers is not a good manager. Clearly, he has many excellent qualities. Whether thet are absolutely the right qualities for Liverpool right now, though, remains to be seen.
    He hasn't yet illustrated the kind of adjustment and immediate improvisation that marks apart the true greats.
    Rodgers, after all, is a manager who has a very defined template but a somewhat mixed record. If the conditions perfectly fit his approach, as at Swansea, he excels. If they don't, as at Reading, he can encounter difficulty.
    At the moment, as the balance of their midfield encapsulates, Liverpool are somewhere between these two points. Occasionally, they have elements that indicate that excellent passing approach and a much brighter future. Other times, though, they only suggest quality while appearing to lack true character.
    The imminent signings of Ince from Blackpool and Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea are part of Rodgers's attempts to rectify this. But, at an expected net spend of above £14m for a young player they used to own and another who has never been consistent, some old questions have to be asked about the transfer policies. While that may be unfair on two players still in formative stages of their careers, the real point is that Liverpool can't really afford any more mistakes in the transfer markets if they are serious about progressing as quickly as possible and not losing further ground. Given previous expenditure and failures, they need to get the next few absolutely right.
    Sturridge, for example, is clearly a player with talent and a capacity for improvisation. He has not yet, however, suggested that he can regularly apply at an elevated levels. In that, there is a danger he could fall into a particular pool of English attacking players that include Adam Johnson and Scott Sinclair. They suggest an ability beyond their present status but don't really rise above it.
    At the moment, the same could be said for Liverpool.
 
I dont think you can overstate the job needed in turning a bloated overpaid squad round honestly I dont. You can be disappointed in the short term as your aims and goals as a football club seem so far away, but when the result is a squad of young, hungry players (Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Kelly, Suarez, Ince, Sturridge, Allen, Borini, Henderson, Lucas, Coates etc etc) you have to look at that time as a period you needed.
This season was always going to be a bit of a mess, not helped by some of the boards decisions, but until the Villa game we had only lost one in nine so the signs of progress were there for all to see.
In isolation the Villa game is a blip, and if we were turning these draws into wins people would shrug it off.
Im not bothered what the press write. Mr Rodgers has single mindedness of purpose and thats what we need.
If we blink this season then all of this was for nothing. Trust the man, ignore the press and wait for next season to start and see what we really can do.
 
The sad thing, I find, is that we're buying more and more into this idea that the club is in the shit and the only option is for us to wait 5 years in the blind hope that some magic plan of planting some Messi seeds in the youth academy will pay off.

The reality is that we're still able to spend more than all but a few clubs in a league and that the squad of players we have, although overpaid, is not without talent.

It really fucks me off to read people going on about how shit the likes of Henderson are and pointing to that as the reason we're 12th - where we should be. What a joke. We have a better squad than 6 of the teams above us. If we supplement that squad with another 20M worth of players in Jan and still find ourselves struggling in midtable then serious questions need to be asked and not just of the players.
 
As you walk down Anfield Rd towards the King Harry, a local housing authority has stuck a massive sign up on the end of one of the rows of terraces that simply states 'DELIVERING THE VISION'

I've sat here imagining the form of this vision, and the guy delivering it. The man at the tradesman's entrance near the main stand signing for it.

What did you say it was again?
It's The Vision
Yeah but what actually is it?
I really can't help you.
And did we order it?
Not sure, I just deliver it. Read the sign again.
But do we need it?
I just deliver.

Well it's all a bit like that I reckon.
 
The sad thing, I find, is that we're buying more and more into this idea that the club is in the shit and the only option is for us to wait 5 years in the blind hope that some magic plan of planting some Messi seeds in the youth academy will pay off.

The reality is that we're still able to spend more than all but a few clubs in a league and that the squad of players we have, although overpaid, is not without talent.

It really fucks me off to read people going on about how shit the likes of Henderson are and pointing to that as the reason we're 12th - where we should be. What a joke. We have a better squad than 6 of the teams above us. If we supplement that squad with another 20M worth of players in Jan and still find ourselves struggling in midtable then serious questions need to be asked and not just of the players.

Absolutely right.
 
Do they really exist anymore? Have they been seen in public since the summer? Henry was probably just a promising experiment in cryogenics that ran its course. Werner was an inflatable doll made from frankfurter skins who ended up getting punctured.
 
Do they really exist anymore? Have they been seen in public since the summer? Henry was probably just a promising experiment in cryogenics that ran its course. Werner was an inflatable doll made from frankfurter skins who ended up getting punctured.

They've disappeared alright, I'm guessing on the back of the fiasco on the closing days of the transfer window, leaving Rodgers to mutter something about a lack of communication. Not really reassuring. Alot hinges on this January for us and whatever faith people have in those illusive 'folks' at the top.
 
I don't really doubt their intentions (yet) just their competence. They have DONE nothing to give any reassurance that is going to change in the near future.
 
I kind of agree Red, they're like fish out of water and they've fucked up over and over with PR, showing a glaring lack of an understanding of the fans, the club and the game. But they backed us well enough initially and got their fingers burnt, so you can see why they'd be cautious at the moment.
 
I kind of agree Red, they're like fish out of water and they've fucked up over and over with PR, showing a glaring lack of an understanding of the fans, the club and the game. But they backed us well enough initially and got their fingers burnt, so you can see why they'd be cautious at the moment.

The odd thing is Mark that they started out (I thought) being brilliant with the fans PR wise. That's what makes their more recent anonymity and aloofness more peculiar. Unwittingly, no doubt, it's left the impression that they've run away.
 
Not getting an experienced CEO in place has been a horrible decision.
As others have said they apperantly had one splurge of cash in them, and we fucked that up like there is no tomorrow.
 
But do we have a better squad than some of the teams above us.

Let's take Henderson as an example. Is he actually any good? Or, are we thinking he should be good because we paid lots is money and pay him big wages?

Personally, I don't rate him as much better than Spearing - and I don't rate Spearing highly.

There are plenty of shit players that could "do a job" for us, and we specialize at signing them at premium prices.

We're we are because half our team are mediocre players and we have a manager not blessed with a magic wand to get performance levels to match expectation levels.

I think the gist of the original article is right - certain managers, the ones that create history, just happen to be the right man in the right place at the right time. Ferguson is a prime example - Wenger too. Rodgers could go either way - not sure either way yet - but one things for sure we need to start getting transfers right because we ate constantly shit in player recruitment.
 
Their priority will always be the Red Socks. We don't mean a lot to them really, but I don't care so long as they start to back us financially.

We definitely need a football-smart CEO.
 
The odd thing is Mark that they started out (I thought) being brilliant with the fans PR wise. That's what makes their more recent anonymity and aloofness more peculiar. Unwittingly, no doubt, it's left the impression that they've run away.

Too many cooks? They seem to have applied a blanket logic to everything, bringing in people who have nothing to do with football and trying to apply their expertise and experience to a top football club and probably the biggest league in the World. Bringing in fresh ideas is great, but not really knowing how to apply them and just saying, "well such and such has dealt with Worldwide companies, so they can become our new head of PR", it's just tossing staff in and hoping it pays off. We could have done with David Dein like figures at the top, instead we've got everyone from a guy who looks like an M&S store manager to a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

When they came here they caught us at a vulnerable time, they'd just done their research on the club, were trying to be everything the cowboys weren't, and gave an impression of being level headed businessmen with dignity, respect and a healthy understanding of what it takes to compete at the top end of a major sport. Now the mask has slipped and they've tried to step back into the shadows, they've left monkeys in control and all hell has broken loose. There's no real sense of authority at the club.
 
Not too many cooks Mark, they can't even read from the same cook book. FSG are all over the place and, as a result, without definitive direction. The finance director has just left as well.
 
the thing that pains me is trying to think when we will win the league again

a long long time
 
I dont think you can overstate the job needed in turning a bloated overpaid squad round honestly I dont. Exactly - the original article speaks of a club's structure. Taking over at Liverpool is a bigger job than taking over at Swansea, despite available resources. You can be disappointed in the short term as your aims and goals as a football club seem so far away, but when the result is a squad of young, hungry players (Sterling, Suso, Shelvey, Kelly, Suarez, Ince, Sturridge, Allen, Borini, Henderson, Lucas, Coates etc etc) you have to look at that time as a period you needed. Not all of these will come off, obviously, but I think Rodgers has clearly sent out the right message - perform, and you'll play.
This season was always going to be a bit of a mess, not helped by some of the boards decisions, but until the Villa game we had only lost one in nine so the signs of progress were there for all to see. And I saw the first half of the Villa game on Tuesday night. We were excellent for the first 20+ minutes and would not have been at all flattered by a 2 goal lead. There is obviously a soft underbelly and a lack of killer instinct, but that can be worked on.
In isolation the Villa game is a blip, and if we were turning these draws into wins people would shrug it off.
Im not bothered what the press write. Mr Rodgers has single mindedness of purpose and thats what we need.
If we blink this season then all of this was for nothing. Trust the man, ignore the press and wait for next season to start and see what we really can do.
I'm tempted to blink, but I do like a lot of what I see - we need to stick with a plan - just want it to be believable.
 
Let's take Henderson as an example. Is he actually any good? Or, are we thinking he should be good because we paid lots is money and pay him big wages?
I've frequently read recently comments such as "Henderson was surprisingly good", "credit where credit's due, Henderson made the difference". I think he does have the ability to do very well. I fear the "Heskey factor" that he might never have the self-belief to consistently perform at the required level.
 
FSG haven't got a clue how to run a football club and will sell us at the first decent offer. Still no ground, useless fucker after useless fucker employed then bombed off, ridiculous statements they don't back up. They're just shit really.
 
Their priority will always be the Red Socks. We don't mean a lot to them really, but I don't care so long as they start to back us financially.

We definitely need a football-smart CEO.

Not sure about the highlighted bit. Their priority will be where they think they can make the most money, and there are persistent rumours about them looking to sell the Sox.

Largely agree with the rest, though I'd put the last bit somewhat differently. Ayre himself has been involved in football for a long time. For me what we need is a management-smart CEO, somebody whose management skills are up to the job.
 
But do we have a better squad than some of the teams above us.

Let's take Henderson as an example. Is he actually any good? Or, are we thinking he should be good because we paid lots is money and pay him big wages?

Personally, I don't rate him as much better than Spearing - and I don't rate Spearing highly.

There are plenty of shit players that could "do a job" for us, and we specialize at signing them at premium prices.

We're we are because half our team are mediocre players and we have a manager not blessed with a magic wand to get performance levels to match expectation levels.

I think the gist of the original article is right - certain managers, the ones that create history, just happen to be the right man in the right place at the right time. Ferguson is a prime example - Wenger too. Rodgers could go either way - not sure either way yet - but one things for sure we need to start getting transfers right because we ate constantly shit in player recruitment.

Matey, you can change your avatar now that downing has scored! Lol
 
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