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Vlads Quiff

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At least, at last, some positivity is returning to the board after months of bitching and back biting.
Does it not feel so much better?
There is still a way to go, but the outlook is so much rosier.
I have to say from the day Rafa walked I have been much chipper about things, and turning out the way I was hoping, and I am really pleased that other things have happened that are influencing others.
Imagine what we will feel like if the right deal is struck on new owners, and imagine how sick the rest of the premier league are going to feel when it does happen.
The shite that has been spouted about us and Joe Cole from other fans is almost laughable.

Maddocks is even upbeat about things.................

Cole's signed, Gerrard's staying, now for Torres

Published 23:00 20/07/10 By David Maddock

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As Roy Hodgson strode out onto the pitch at Liverpool's Swiss mountain training camp yesterday, there was a noticeable spring in his step.

It could have been the rarified air of course, which has a documented medicinal effect, but it was more likely the events of the last 48 hours, which seem to have so lifted morale both inside and outside the camp of the Anfield club.

Joe Cole's arrival as a surprise but welcome addition to the Reds' star roster was swiftly followed by news that every true Liverpool fan will treasure... that skipper Steven Gerrard is looking forward to next season with renewed vigour.

No wonder Hodgson was chirpy yesterday. When he accepted the job he knew that he faced two immediate challenges that would test even the canniest of managers. First, in keeping his big name players; second, in attracting more to a club that had been described as a sinking ship by one of its own players.

Cole's arrival has shown that the new boss has the persuasive powers to attract the very best of British talent, because there won't be a bigger signing of a home grown player this summer.

He has quickly followed that up by also agreeing a deal to sign young Rangers centre half Danny Wilson, a player with rich promise who typifies the sort of rising British star Liverpool are now keen to attract to their club.

But his talks with Gerrard are perhaps even more significant. His avowed intention on day one was to keep his captain and use the effect such important news would have on the rest of his squad as a motivational tool.

With Gerrard confirming yesterday his desire to play alongside Cole, and revealing his role in persuading the England star to move north, it is not hard to envisage a Liverpool side that can be transformed next season from the team that limped so embarrassingly into seventh place last time.

With perhaps the world's best goalkeeper, two England defenders and a top class Danish international making up the back line, the signing of a quality left back will make Liverpool a strong defensive unit.

In midfield, there is Gerrard and Cole, along with the youthful promise of Shelvey plus the improving Lucas, and two top level performers on the world stage in Dirk Kuyt and Maxi Rodriguez, plus new signing Milan Jovanovic.

So Hodgson has the spine of a team that - with perhaps two or three more decent additions - looks decidedly more interesting than last season's pale shadow of one... providing there is a focal point in attack.

That means Fernando Torres, of course, but the spring in Hodgson's step yesterday suggested that he feels the events of the last 48 hours can go a long way to persuading the Spanish striker to stay.

His comments, after listening to Gerrard committing his own future to the club, suggested as much.

"It will be a tough season, with a lot of matches and the disappointment of last season is going to take a while to dissipate, but it is very good that our best player is still going to be playing at this club," Hodgson said.

"Hopefully with the signing of Joe Cole - and if we are lucky one or two others, to boost the squad - we will be going into this season's competition, maybe stronger on paper than we were last season."

Gerrard too, was in positive mood as he spoke of the impact a signing like Cole can have on the club. ""I've told him what a great club this is and I'm sure Joe's the sort of exciting talent our fans will love to see," he admitted.

He is probably the creative player Torres will love to see as well, and while no one at Anfield is getting too complacent just yet, there is a growing feeling that they can resist any Chelsea attempts to prise their star striker away.

Despite recent comments from their manager Carlo Ancelotti, there is no doubt the London club still covet Torres, do they have the financial will to make the sort of bid that will persuade Liverpool to sell? Unlikely.

The, admitted cautious, feeling is that he will return at the end of July ready to commit his future to the club just as Gerrard did on his first day back yesterday.

Which leaves only Javier Mascherano to decide his future, and given his antics in recent weeks, perhaps the Merseyside club would be well shot of him, especially if they can negotiate a fee with Inter Milan that allows the signing of a quality replacement.

Indeed, there could well be money left over to add to that accrued from the sale of players like Albert Riera and possibly Ryan Babel to add a couple more star names to the squad.

Torres has already been told his plans, and as Gerrard said yesterday, they have been impressive so far. If there are a couple more signings like Cole, and a couple of decent squad players to add depth, then as Hodgson said, they may yet go into next season with some optimism.

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Joe-Cole-s-signed-Steven-Gerrard-s-staying-now-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-s-next-mission-is-to-convince-Fernando-Torres-to-stay-article532457.html#ixzz0uGiIXtyH
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41066.msg1139427#msg1139427 date=1279669977]
Was anyone else aware of this........

"Then he needs to sort out the future of Javier Mascherano, who is refusing to answer Hodgson's calls. Although Rafa Benitez agreed in his settlement with Liverpool that he cannot sign their players for three months, Mascherano could engineer a reunion with his former boss.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1296380/Joe-Cole-fired-Liverpool--Steven-Gerrard-talked-round.html#ixzz0uGoRjBV3
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Not at all.... takes us dangerously close to the end of the window. Hopefully well have the deals in place for his replacements

I was actually about to post about the growing sense of calm starting to appear around the fans, but you've distracted me now!
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41066.msg1139427#msg1139427 date=1279669977]
Was anyone else aware of this........

"Then he needs to sort out the future of Javier Mascherano, who is refusing to answer Hodgson's calls. Although Rafa Benitez agreed in his settlement with Liverpool that he cannot sign their players for three months, Mascherano could engineer a reunion with his former boss.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1296380/Joe-Cole-fired-Liverpool--Steven-Gerrard-talked-round.html#ixzz0uGoRjBV3
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Not at all.... takes us dangerously close to the end of the window. Hopefully well have the deals in place for his replacements

I was actually about to post about the growing sense of calm starting to appear around the fans, but you've distracted me now!
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Presumably the date was set with the window in mind.

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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41066.msg1139427#msg1139427 date=1279669977]
Was anyone else aware of this........

"Then he needs to sort out the future of Javier Mascherano, who is refusing to answer Hodgson's calls. Although Rafa Benitez agreed in his settlement with Liverpool that he cannot sign their players for three months, Mascherano could engineer a reunion with his former boss.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1296380/Joe-Cole-fired-Liverpool--Steven-Gerrard-talked-round.html#ixzz0uGoRjBV3
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It would be in our interests to waive this condition as far as Mascherano is concerned. I don't want him at Liverpool anymore and the sooner he fucks off the better.
 
Perhaps so Wilko, but don't be drawn into th trap that the press want you to fall into.
Mascherano has not said anything, yes I know, that's part of the issue, but Roy possibly for the politics of it all is playing that down too.
In fairness to Mascher he stated he wanted to go last year, and for whatever reason, that did not happen.
You are one of the more logical posters on here, let's just wait and see what actually happnes with Mascher before we make the final judgement.
Anyway, if Mascher does want to go , he will engineer it, but the agreement puts us in the pound seats.


Olly Holt is in optimism over-drive tonight, well in Olly, I think you are a red after all

Why Joe Cole will prove he’s worthy to carry great expectations at Liverpool

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By Oliver Holt 21/07/2010
Joe Cole (pic: Getty)

I thought it might take a while longer to summon any real ­enthusiasm about the approach of the new Premier League season.

England’s struggles in South Africa have burdened our domestic competition with a so-what factor before it starts next month.

So what if Wayne Rooney scores a hat-trick against Wigan? He could barely muster a shot against Algeria.

So what if Robert Green plays like Gordon Banks against Fulham? He couldn’t save a daisy-cutter from 25 yards when it mattered against the USA.

So what if Aaron Lennon tears the Blackpool defence to shreds? He crawled into his shell when England needed him in Cape Town.

But then, in the midst of the indifference, Joe Cole signed for Liverpool and suddenly ­everything seemed alive with possibility again.

Cole has had a good career but no one has ever seemed quite sure what to do with his genius.

Even when he was winning the title with Chelsea, there was a sense that his greatness was still trapped inside, desperate to get out.

Jose Mourinho does not trust ability like Cole’s so he converted him into a hard-working left midfielder.

Cole duly became a very good hard-working left midfielder, but his role in those Chelsea sides still amounted to a waste of his talent.

A waste of his vision, a waste of his touch, a waste of his ­creativity, a waste of his play-making potential. Cole’s genius was hidden in plain sight.

But his move to Liverpool holds out the hope that, at 28, the great potential he has always possessed will finally be fully realised.

Who knows, maybe it will even allow Fabio Capello to see Cole in a different light and use him as more than a bit-part player in the England team.

On second thoughts, given some of Capello’s recent ­decisions, best not to hold our breath.

All Cole has ever really needed is a manager who values him and trusts him and, in Roy Hodgson, Cole believes he has found that manager.

Cole said earlier in the summer that when he made up his mind about which club to join after Chelsea released him, the ­decision would not be based on money or geography but on football.

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He wanted to go somewhere where the manager was not suspicious of him and did not try to emasculate him.

He wanted to go somewhere where he could play in a central position. He wanted to be a major influence on a game, not stuck out on its margins.

Liverpool promises him all those things.

Cole’s career so far has been an indictment of English football and its refusal to nurture ­creativity. It sees creativity and exiles it to football Vladivostok, as far from the centre as it is possible to get.

It does not promote it and glorify it as Germany has promoted the talent of Mesut Ozil. English football does not judge a creative talent like Cole by his creativity. It judges him on failures to track back or mistimed tackles.

It searches out reasons to call him a failure and to turn him into something conventional and workaday. Now, hopefully, Cole will be given a chance to try to change that.

The move to Anfield says a lot about him and his strength of character. It would have been easier for him to stay in London where he has always played and where his family lives.

He could have explored the offers being made by Spurs and Arsenal.

But he knows this is the perfect ­opportunity for him because Hodgson and Liverpool need to make the move work.

Cole represents an exciting departure for a team that had begun to become stolid and sterile in the dying days of Rafael Benitez.

As Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher said yesterday, the signing of Cole is a statement of intent from Liverpool, an ­indication there is life beyond their failure to qualify for the Champions League.

Cole’s signing has ­transformed the mood at Anfield. It holds out the promise that instead of being a season dominated by damage limitation, it can be a campaign that forces Liverpool back among the elite.

If Benitez’s team last season came to be defined by the prosaic talents of Lucas, the signing of Cole is a signal that Hodgson will practise a different philosophy.

Gerrard appears to have been persuaded to stay and any team that features both he and Cole pulling the strings behind a striker like Fernando Torres would be an attacking force to be reckoned with.

And if that sounds like a lot of pressure to heap on Cole’s ­shoulders, that’s fine. Cole’s ready for the responsibility. He’s tired of being ignored and marginalised.

He wants pressure, not Vladivostok.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/columnists/holt/2010/07/21/why-joe-cole-will-prove-he-s-worthy-to-carry-great-expectations-at-liverpool-115875-22427827/#ixzz0uGtC8NMP
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With the exception of the way he commented on the Barca interest last year, has Mascherano really said anything that out of order while at the club? Yeah you would hope a player shows a bit more grattitude and loyalty (especially given his West Ham situation and the turn around in his career), but near enough all players nowadays are on the lookout for what they consider to be greener pastures.

Personally I'd always prefer him to stay (even if £35M was on the table), but as long as we don't get bummed in a transfer then it will be ok for us regardless. I just wish that he and his slag had made more of an effort to integrate into the english (and scouse) way of life, maybe it's a South American thing?
 
Perhaps Mascherano is being portrayed unfairly in the press however that doesn't alter the fact that he has ignored calls and texts from the Liverpool manager. Then there's the Italian lessons. Fuck him.
 
He always said he would like to team up with benitez again and saying his wife isnt happy in liverpool, not answering or replying to hodgsons calls. so fuck him, if he wants to go, 30mil and we can start to negotiate 🙂
 
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Perhaps Mascherano is being portrayed unfairly in the press however that doesn't alter the fact that he has ignored calls and texts from the Liverpool manager. Then there's the Italian lessons. Fuck him.
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It's not just his wife that is unhappy here - Masher is a tough nut and has hung in there but he says he has no real life outside of Anfield, stuck in his apartment looking across at Insua in his. Most people can hack it for a year or two but after that having no real social life has got to be soul-destroying. The World Cup will only have exacerbated those feelings of relative isolation.

He will leave.

Good luck Masher we enjoyed having you here and will enjoy spending the 35M we should get for your transfer to Inter.
 
Exciting days ahead. Since Joe Cole joined my first morning routine has been to check the transfer news.
I can't wait to see our new look team at the start of the season.
Who else will join?
Who will leave?
Will we be playing a new formation?

Are just some of the questions I want answered.
Roy has really impressed me and Purslow seems to be doing his job properly.
We're getting the players that we are linked to, which is good news and everyone bar Torres is fit for fight.
 
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Exciting days ahead. Since Joe Cole joined my first morning routine has been to check the transfer news.
I can't wait to see our new look team at the start of the season.
Who else will join?
Who will leave?
Will we be playing a new formation?

Are just some of the questions I want answered.
Roy has really impressed me and Purslow seems to be doing his job properly.
We're getting the players that we are linked to, which is good news and everyone bar Torres is fit for fight.
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x2 here

hopefully there will be no slip from here on till season starts and a couple of good signings.

If not, sure as daylight the vultures will descend!
 
People are feeling positive because there's something football related to talk about, as opposed to merely a discussion of finances and dealing that we have no information about, and have no say in.

A new manager usually brings some hope, especially when the previous one had the wrong trajectory and an underperforming team, but in terms of Hodgson doing anything so remarkable, or our team being improved in any significant way, nothing whatsoever has happened. The outlook really shouldn't change that much.
 
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People are feeling positive because there's something football related to talk about, as opposed to merely a discussion of finances and dealing that we have no information about, and have no say in.

A new manager usually brings some hope, especially when the previous one had the wrong trajectory and an underperforming team, but in terms of Hodgson doing anything so remarkable, or our team being improved in any significant way, nothing whatsoever has happened. The outlook really shouldn't change that much.
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Can we expect Hodgson to do something remarkable?
He's only been on the job for about 2-3 weeks.
But during this time he has:

* Signed Joe Cole
* Convinced Gerrard to stay
* Sold Insua
* Signed Wilson

That is quite impressive and were not really finished in the transfer market. That's why I'm excited.
Sure it too soon to start a RHCDNW brigade but so far so good.
 
Good reads them Vlad, I'm amazed that people keep overlooking Aquilani though, with a new manager and a good pre-season behind him, he could be like a new signing himself.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41066.msg1139484#msg1139484 date=1279694372]
People are feeling positive because there's something football related to talk about, as opposed to merely a discussion of finances and dealing that we have no information about, and have no say in.

A new manager usually brings some hope, especially when the previous one had the wrong trajectory and an underperforming team, but in terms of Hodgson doing anything so remarkable, or our team being improved in any significant way, nothing whatsoever has happened. The outlook really shouldn't change that much.
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Can we expect Hodgson to do something remarkable?
He's only been on the job for about 2-3 weeks.
But during this time he has:

* Signed Joe Cole
* Convinced Gerrard to stay
* Sold Insua
* Signed Wilson

That is quite impressive and were not really finished in the transfer market. That's why I'm excited.
Sure it too soon to start a RHCDNW brigade but so far so good.
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He bought a free, good player, sold a shit one (and was so modest he claimed to not know much about it), and bought our usual young CB. As to how much Hodgson had to do with Gerrard staying is anyones guess. It's not remarkable.

We haven't seen any of the hard decisions yet. We will when Mascherano leaves. Then we can evaluate.
 
Agreed, it's nice to have a bit of positivity about the place, but let's wait and see what his first team-sheet looks like

Then we'll have a better idea of how strong we are
 
As I've said elsewhere we should wait to see the team play and win before we get carried away with a very decent start to Roy Hodgson's tenure.

I'm looking forward to seeing Gerrard, Cole and Torres play against Arsenal and City so that we can evaluate.
 
Good post Vlad.

It seems more and more likely that the manager and key players knows about something important everyone else outside the club are yet to learn.

All this optimism surrounding the club all of a sudden must have got it's origins elsewhere than down to the mere fact we've hired a new manager whom admittedly wasn't perhaps the most obvious choice outthere.

I like it all so far. And I do like the nice positive twist on these boards too.

*joins circle of 6CM-happiness*
 
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Good reads them Vlad, I'm amazed that people keep overlooking Aquilani though, with a new manager and a good pre-season behind him, he could be like a new signing himself.
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I feel the same about Aqualani,, I can understand people reservations to some extent, but I saw enough glimpses of class to think that we could see something really good


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Where would Aquilani play?

He can't tackle, isn't quick, doesn't like getting knocked about, and doesn't score goals

So he can't play just behind Torres, and he's too soft to play CM unless we play a monster DM next to him (ie Masher or similar)

Lucas and him in CM would be a fucking disaster
 
I wouldn't be opposed to him being in CM with Stevie, though Stevie would have to sit back an awful lot.

Aquilani showed brief glimpses (against the mighty Portsmouth most noticeably), but has an awful lot still to prove.
 
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I wouldn't be opposed to him being in CM with Stevie, though Stevie would have to sit back an awful lot.

Aquilani showed brief glimpses (against the mighty Portsmouth most noticeably), but has an awful lot still to prove.
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I've always thought - "absolutely not" to a Stevie / Aqua pairing in CM, however there may be games where we really don't need a DM and it would serve us better to have 2 more attack minded CMs.
 
Alberto Aquilani

Starts 9
Sub 9
Goals: 1
Ass: 6
Shots on goal: 7
Shots: 27

Sauce: ESPN
 
Maxi Lucas Gerrard Babel
Kuyt Mascherano Aquilani Jovanovic (he's left footed)

Cole

Torres

We need strengthening obviously.
 
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