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rurikbird

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BUNDESLIGA FANS ARE demanding the end of video assistant referee (VAR) testing in Germany as the system’s German league chief was replaced on Monday amidst accusations of influencing matches.
The VAR is being trialled this season in Italy and Germany with football’s governing body Fifa yet to decide whether it will be used at June’s World Cup in Russia.
In Germany, the VAR experiment has sparked controversy and debate with ‘Cologne’ – the centre where all scenes are reviewed – widely blamed for unfavourable rulings and a byword for a place where bad decisions are made.
Judging by fans’ banners at top-flight grounds around Germany at the weekend, most supporters want VAR scrapped immediately.
On Monday, magazine Kicker ran the headline “Only Losers: Irritation, sanctions, wrong decisions” on it’s cover next to an image of a referee showing a red card.
The VAR system sparked serious accusations on Sunday which ultimately cost Hellmut Krug, the head of the VAR system in Cologne, his role.
Germany’s biggest-selling newspaper Bild claimed Krug twice influenced penalty decisions in favour of Schalke, who he supports, during their 1-1 league draw with Wolfsburg a week ago.
“I believe that we have the wrong people in Cologne,” fumed Augsburg’s sports director Stefan Reuter in reaction.
Krug vehemently denied the accusations, but the DFB moved swiftly on Monday to remove him as head of the project.
Former top referee Lutz Michael Froehlich has replaced Krug, pledging “transparency in the procedures”.
“For me, it is important that the referee keeps his responsible role on the field and players, as well as spectators, have confidence in him,” added Froehlich.
It has been a rocky few days for the DFB.
Last week, the German FA called for the VAR to intervene more during matches, even if the on-field referee did not commit an obvious error, which was met with protests from the clubs.
“The whole communication from the DFB is currently catastrophic,” fumed Moenchengladbach’s director of sport Max Eberl.
“If you have a test phase and you want to adapt the entire system, that’s justified, but then everyone should know it.
“We should only need the video assistant in a situation which is really crucial to the game.”
Jupp Heynckes, coach of Bundesliga leaders Bayern Munich, agrees.
“I think you should not cut out the referee too much. Only in very serious situations should video evidence be consulted,” he said.
“You must not dilute the football.”
Gladbach’s coach Dieter Hecking does not expect the system to still be in use after December’s winter break.
The VAR is good for football, but I dare to suggest that it will be canned in the winter break. It’s in a test phase, but it seems we are doing everything to ensure it doesn’t have a chance.​
Fans complain that VAR interventions spoil the flow of the game.
It often takes minutes for decisions to be made, which leads to disgruntlement at Bundesliga grounds when the ref signals that the VAR is checking a situation.
The 3-3 draw between Wolfsburg and Hertha Berlin on Sunday is a good example as two first-half goals for hosts Wolfsburg were disallowed by the VAR, sat in Cologne, which incensed home fans.
“There was a lot of restlessness in the game because of the video referee,” said Hertha coach Pal Dardai.
Former Germany international Stefan Effenberg says the Bundesliga should copy the example of American Football, where decisions in the National Football League are clearly articulated to spectators by the referee.
The NFL should be a role model. Next season, the referee should, regardless of the situation, speak briefly to the spectators. It would take maybe five seconds to calm around 70,000 people.​
“There have been many good decisions. Mistakes only need to be considered in terms of how to do things differently in the future.”
As expected, the head of the DFB is one of the few remaining fans of the system.
“I still believe in the project, once everyone clearly defines their roles and then sticks to them, I’m pretty sure that this can be something very good for football,” said DFB president Reinhard Grindel.

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I have to say, having watched some Bundesliga games this season, I'm not sure video replay is such a good idea after all. Just this weekend, a ref for the Wolfsburg-Augsburg game spent 3 minutes looking at a replay of a tackle from behind and reversed his decision, giving a Wolfsburg player red card – but actually IMHO it was not a red! It turns out that the video replay does not eliminate mistakes, but like the opponents were saying, does affect the flow of the game. I think it still should be used, but probably in a more limited capacity.
 
Perhaps I'm used to it from hockey and football but I've watched VAR in MLS and really don't mind it. I think it's key that the decision is reviewed and made by the on field official, either at his own initiation or through flagging by the VAR official. Certainly the final decision should not go up to the booth.

As the article suggests, the official should be miked and explain the decision to the fans. This would go a long way to improving transparency.
 
A lot of the rules (e.g. diving) in football are open to interpretation so VAR is good for pundits as it gives them something to talk about but doesn’t ever clear the issue up.
 
A lot of the rules (e.g. diving) in football are open to interpretation so VAR is good for pundits as it gives them something to talk about but doesn’t ever clear the issue up.

I think VAR increases the number of decisions that will be correct but, yes, some will remain open to interpretation even with the review.
 
It should be... Can three people unanimously decide what happened within five seconds of seeing the replay? If not, back to ref

Yeah, something like that. It's useful to supplement referee's vision, i.e. if he simply didn't have the right angle to see an incident, but not to replace his judgement by that a committee – that's a recipe for disaster.
 
Rugby league have a good system for contentious decisions (mostly involving whether to award a try or not) but it's slightly different to what the football one seems to be. The referee gives his decision and unless the video referee can see that the decision if definitively wrong then they can't overrule the original decision.
That way if there is any ambiguity then the referees decision stands. It's not flawless but it is an improvement.
You can also hear (if watching on telly) the video referee explaining his decision.
 
I think it's mostly rubbish for football because most pundits can't agree on contentious issues anyway. It might be useful for marginal offside calls though.
 
Or obvious stuff the ref just couldn't see coz something was in his way. Hence my suggestion
 
Have we, as a club, ever, in the history of the game, come away from an FA adjudication with a positive result? I couldn't care less if they choose to use VAR for international games, but please keep it away from domestic and European games. The game is run by power hungry, agenda driven tw@s that seem to hate us.
 
The cricket model of reviews has evolved over time and now works quite well. The umpire gives their decision and if the playing team feels it is an incorrect decision they have the opportunity to challenge the decision. No of reviews is limited per innings depending on the match format, which limits abuse of reviews. The 3rd umpire will review with the help of video replays and available technology such as hot spot, ball tracking etc. The entire review process is shown live on the stadium screen & TV with the 3rd umpire walking everyone through the decision making process. There is a built-in mechanism where marginal decisions stay as per the decision of the on field umpire hence only clear cut mistakes are overturned.

It has improved the overall quality of decision making and umpiring many folds since it was introduced and everyone involved in the game i.e. administrators, players, cricket boards & fans are totally on-board with the review system. The only time anyone complaints now, is when the review system is not in place in any match or series.
 
It's all boss for people watching on the TV. If you're at the ground it's shit. The least intrusive option is the only option
 
I watch quite a bit of the Bundesliga, I couldn’t disagree more with this article. The VAR is great, I’m sure all fans won’t like the decision not going their way, however there has been so many calls overturned either way to the correct decision. I think it should be implemented in all leagues as well as all major competitions.
 
In the few games I've seen from the Serie A, it seems to work quite well.
Only issue is the amount of time it takes.
As Woland says, if you're in the ground it must feel like forever.

The VAR should also only assist the ref, not make the decisions for him.
 
There definitely needs to be some kind of feed to a stadium screen. Even if it's just showing the refs replaying & discussing the decision from behind or something, or watching the same feed, seeing what they see & what they're focusing on.

That would increase the tension.
 
Can it please be like the Eurovision song contest?
"This is the vote of the Moldovan jury"...
 
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