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UFC 116 Lesnar v Carwin

Farkmaster

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Well, I've bought into the hype, and will be having some friends over to watch this. The 117 card is actually better in my opinion, but I really want to see whether Lesnar, who is a freak of nature (and various chemicals) will continue his domination against someone more his size. I tend to think he will, even with the KO power Carwin has.

Anyone else watching it?
 
Pretty good chance I'll be watching. It's an interesting matchup and the winner will be the top heavyweight in the world, due to Fedor's loss last weekend.
 
Is it this weekend ?

What's the undercard like ? I only have little more than a passing interest in UFC but I really enjoy watching it.
 
The card for 116 is a bunch of irrelevant guys who don't usually do boring fights, so it depends what you like.

117 is a really fantastic card, I'm just a sucker for the hype, and looking forward to a fight night, especially given my woman is gone for a month.
 
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To use a cliche Carwin has a swingers chance!
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I think he has more than that. He really is still something of an unknown entity. His cardio is unknown, his ground skills have yet to be tested. And while it remains to be seen if Carwin can take Lesnar down, it is a possibility.

On the flipside, Lesnar's chin has never been seriously tested. Both Couture and Mir rocked him a bit with strikes but not enough to really see what he's got and certainly not in the way Carwin can rock him.

I'm looking forward to Akiyama - Leben as well.
 
Does anyone ever listen to the BS report ?

Bill Simmons had Brock Lesnar on yesterday, and Brock came across as being more intelligent than I would have expected (particularly given his celebration after one of his fights, possibly the second Mir one)
 
He's not particularly bright, but he's not stupid either, and much of his dumb bully routine is incredibly good marketing brought in from his WWF heel experience. And it's paid off incredibly well, in just a handful of fights hes now the biggest draw in the sport. Doesn't hurt that he's an incredible athlete, wrestler, and fucking massive. He scares the shit out of me, he's just so big, and so fast.

By the way, I think that Carwin's size is being padded by the UFC, and he'll be the shorter smaller man. He's no slouch at wrestling either, but it's difficult to say whether he'll be able to withstand Lesnar on top of him, because we haven't seen much of his wrestling, despite that being the base of his MMA from his college days.

I really have no idea how this one will go, because of Carwin's finishing power, and as has been mentioned, all the unknowns about him.
 
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By the way, I think that Carwin's size is being padded by the UFC, and he'll be the shorter smaller man.[/quote]

A running joke on an MMA forum I lurk on is that Carwin not only cuts weight but also height in order to make the fights, based on what the UFC lists him at. He's a massive man but wasn't bigger than Mir and is considerably smaller than Lesnar.

He has an impressive wrestling pedigree but I'd be surprised if he can hold Lesnar down even if he manages to take him down. The real test will be if he can stop Brock's ridiculously explosive shot.
 
I just realised this on at 3am, I think i'll be recording it and watching it tomorrow
 
There have been a number of very ugly, very entertaining fights, just as I said. It's been a worthwhile card.
 
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I must say with my fairly weak understanding of MMA, this fight underscored for me how underdeveloped the entire (super)heavyweight division is.

In Carwin you had one of only a guys even large enough to be a challenge to a very raw brock lesnar who is fairly new to the sport. He is bulky to the extent that he had nowhere near the cardio required to do anything after utterly destroying Brock in the first round. Then, on the other side of things, you've Brock, who had absolutely no defense, who turtled and fell back like an amateur boxer the second he met with a guy with punching power in his weight class. It's all just very sloppy.

So Cain Velasquez next for Brock. A better technical striker by far, and has the endurance, but will give up many many pounds to Lesnar, and if Lesnar gets on top of him, even though he is far less skilled, you'd have to think it's over. If there was anyone close to Lesnar's size with the sort of ability we see in any of the other weight classes, he wouldn't be close to being HW champion. The middleweights, for instance, are several years more evolved and more deep than the real super heavyweights who are just massive lumbering oafs.

Very entertaining bloody staggering fights all round, but not a ton of skill on display, and to be honest, I don't like MMA as much when it's just very dirty boxing, because there's nothing to enjoy in the technical aspects of it. At any rate, the next event will probably be more boring for the super casual fan who likes haymakers, big guys and blood, but will feature far far better MMA.
 
Fun card to watch. Leben and Bonnar are two of the most entertaining fighters to watch because of their reckless aggressiveness. Both won out in the end too.

I'm only an infrequent MMA watcher so my understanding isn't what it might be but it's pretty clear that the lower weight classes are miles ahead technically of the top Heavyweights (contrast Brock and Carwin's defence on their back to that Australian fella who beat Pellegrino). I'm sure there are better technical fighters in the division than Carwin and Brock but both bring ridiculous physicality to it and that will win out a lot of the time.
 
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