Torres' Golden Boot
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I remember he scored a few goals for Chelsea and everyone thought he was back.
If he does it for 5-10 games on the trot (not necessarily goals, just playing at the 'Torres' level), then he's back.
I'm guessing the trophies mean nothing (he did nothing of note to help win any of trophies) to him based on his comments after the final (despite his celebrations)
If he does it for 5-10 games on the trot (not necessarily goals, just playing at the 'Torres' level), then he's back.
I'm guessing the trophies mean nothing (he did nothing of note to help win any of trophies) to him based on his comments after the final (despite his celebrations)
Well I didn't watch much of the tournament but I saw Torres score two against a Championship side (Ireland) and one against a 10 man Italy who were already beaten.
And his coach preferred to play without a striker rather than play him. So I think it means fuck all - it's exactly the same as he was at Chelsea. His 2012 consisted of goals against Leicester, Villa and QPR. As well as one in the CL Final when it was pretty much done. 7 league goals in 18 months ?
And his coach preferred to play without a striker rather than play him. So I think it means fuck all - it's exactly the same as he was at Chelsea. His 2012 consisted of goals against Leicester, Villa and QPR. As well as one in the CL Final when it was pretty much done. 7 league goals in 18 months ?
I do think he's come back to looking dangerous. Will he ever be the player he was at his best for us? No, I don't think that's possible. But can he be an excellent striker, worthy of a top club. Yup, fraid so.
Dunno about that.
Looking at the players he's going to have around him Torres is spoilt for choice.
I said in another thread I think we and Spurs will be top 4.
I don't think Arse will be; they've ridden their luck something chronic for about 5 seasons and wouldn't be playing CL this coming season if it weren't for the merry go round that is the England manager.
City will be.
The Chavs could win the title or they could fail dismally - I don't think there will be an in between. Not convinced they have the manager to control and direct that many ego's so it will largely succeed or fail based on whether they can all pretend to get along for long enough.
I still don't think that the mancs have enough to help Rooney and Nani. They'll get in if they get some real support up front or if the Chavs implode.
Looking at the players he's going to have around him Torres is spoilt for choice.
I said in another thread I think we and Spurs will be top 4.
I don't think Arse will be; they've ridden their luck something chronic for about 5 seasons and wouldn't be playing CL this coming season if it weren't for the merry go round that is the England manager.
City will be.
The Chavs could win the title or they could fail dismally - I don't think there will be an in between. Not convinced they have the manager to control and direct that many ego's so it will largely succeed or fail based on whether they can all pretend to get along for long enough.
I still don't think that the mancs have enough to help Rooney and Nani. They'll get in if they get some real support up front or if the Chavs implode.
was going to mention Baros but was not sure he got the golden boot.
Is this another bash Torres thread ? How cute. And what if you Torres bashers wear an unbiased cap instread of the Liverpool one for a moment or two ?
With very limited playing time he scored 3 goals and had some assists (2 ? I'm not sure) in the Euros. Does it matter it was against Ireland (who didn't concede like that against anyone else) and to say against an Italy that had given up hope is a bit too convenient an excuse. To me he looked sharp and likely to score more goals - the fact that Spain played a system that suits possibly the greatest midfield of all time shouldn't be taken as a slight against Torres, Llorente etc. but more of an acknowledgement of said midfield.
In the coming season I think he'll be right up there at the top of the goal-scoring charts because he'll get full games, and lots of them, not bit parts for 10 mins (which is why I like the goals per minutes played stat and absolutely abhor the goals per match stat), and he'll have some absolutely top players feeding him.
As for Wiz's prediction, well we had better buy in some class (looking forward to seeing who those 3-4 players will be, Boss !) otherwise we are not going to figure in the battle for 4th at all. The top three will IMHO be : 1. Man City 2. Chelsea 3. United 4. Who knows. All that said it is way too early for accurate predictions as there is plenty of time for all these teams to buy in some cracking players (as Chelsea and United already have).
With very limited playing time he scored 3 goals and had some assists (2 ? I'm not sure) in the Euros. Does it matter it was against Ireland (who didn't concede like that against anyone else) and to say against an Italy that had given up hope is a bit too convenient an excuse. To me he looked sharp and likely to score more goals - the fact that Spain played a system that suits possibly the greatest midfield of all time shouldn't be taken as a slight against Torres, Llorente etc. but more of an acknowledgement of said midfield.
In the coming season I think he'll be right up there at the top of the goal-scoring charts because he'll get full games, and lots of them, not bit parts for 10 mins (which is why I like the goals per minutes played stat and absolutely abhor the goals per match stat), and he'll have some absolutely top players feeding him.
As for Wiz's prediction, well we had better buy in some class (looking forward to seeing who those 3-4 players will be, Boss !) otherwise we are not going to figure in the battle for 4th at all. The top three will IMHO be : 1. Man City 2. Chelsea 3. United 4. Who knows. All that said it is way too early for accurate predictions as there is plenty of time for all these teams to buy in some cracking players (as Chelsea and United already have).
I think this is totally unnecessary. Get off your high horse. No one would bash him so harshly if he wasn't so average since he's moved to Chelsea bar the few games where he's played well. No one bashes Mascherano for his 'level,' or Alonso etc. Why? Is that because the 'unbiased cap'? Yah precisely. Torres has been distinctly average since he moved to Chelsea. I'm glad for that because if he's on his game, it means they're doing well and I hate that club. I don't see him 'banging' in the goals, just like he wasn't doing it last year when he was being fed by Mata, Lampard etc. 15 overall? Probably. 20? Could be. 25? Doubt it.
As for your 'limited playing time' line, I don't get it. If he was on form - as he was Euro 2008, do you think Del Bosque would have gone with the 4-6-0? Perhaps he didn't have a striker he trusted? So you're giving him great credit for scoring against Ireland and a broken 10 man Italy team. Ok. I guess forgetting the two 1 on 1s vs Buffon, or the fact he was dropped against Croatia in a game they were lucky to get a positive result out of, I think that's as telling as the 3 goals.
As I said before we signed him, he was never a 'pure goalscorer' (i.e. Fowler, RvN, etc). Something magical happened at Liverpool, and I doubt we'll see that with Chelsea. I may be wrong, but to throw that ludicrous 'Liverpool hat' tripe out? It's almost as annoying as posters screaming at you for giving an honest assessment about Kuyt etc.
Hmmm only 3 (RVP & 2 from City) passed 20 last season. OK it's for charity so what £25 ?
If I lose I make all my donations to charity via Global Giving - you can choose whichever charity you want from there !
Touch and go to reach 20 I think Keniget !
Deal.
What absolute bollocks ! Are you blind ? He could donate his life savings to charity and there would still be people on here willing to crucify him anytime his name is mentioned. Jesus wept.
Are you seriously mentioning Masherano / Xabi ? Seriously ? What an inane comparison.
Yes, I think Del Bosque decided that the midfield he had was worthy of the tactics ... and no-one can dispute that now. He obviously thought that THAT midfield had less risks than an unproven (gambling on a return to form) Torres and Llorente. However that was not even related to my 'limited time' comment - which was re. Chelsea playing time.
How many one on ones were converted by anyone in the Euros (excluding Spain's midfielders) ? One of the comments I made during the event was the poor form of most of the strikers. Do most strikers convert all their one on ones then ? Actually I'd bet there are more missed than scored. I guess it's no surprise then that you, and others, fail to give any credit for scoring the goals he did, or the assists, it's that Liverpool cap you are wearing.
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You make it sound like the dogs are voluntarily getting neutered.
I'd rather not have Fabio warn me, so I won't post any unnecessary insults!
Some posters do, some don't. Generalizing everyone to fit your agenda is rather unnecessary.
Most people felt Mascherano loved the club, and then screwed us. Same with Torres. Xabi, less so. All 3 were of critical importance to our spine. I don't think there's anything wrong with the comparison ...
Ok re: limited time comment. I can't be bothered going through all his Chelsea game, but do you have his goals per minute stats?
I don't know re: one on one in the tournament. So I don't know, but a few strikers had 3 goals (Gomez, Balotelli etc).
As for your last comment, I won't respond in kind. I guess since you're wearing ____ hat (You can choose its name. See, I'm nice!), you see it very clearly. I can't tell exactly where I didn't give credit (or for that matter, give credit) for his 3 goals - I just weighed the positives and negatives of his tourney. Perhaps that's another one of those side affects of the 'Liverpool cap'?
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This is twice that he's been "back" since last Christmas, isn't it..? Didn't he score a couple in a 6-0 chelsea win against Loughshinny Town or something as well?
He scored two against defenders with the turning radius (and speed) of the QE2 and an Italian side that were out on their feet. His own coach opted for 6 midfielders rather than to play him, throughout the tournament. He didn't even make the field in 120 minutes Vs Portugal, and I doubt that he'd have played if the final hadn't been littlemore than training session for the last 15 minutes.
How is that "back"?
He scored two against defenders with the turning radius (and speed) of the QE2 and an Italian side that were out on their feet. His own coach opted for 6 midfielders rather than to play him, throughout the tournament. He didn't even make the field in 120 minutes Vs Portugal, and I doubt that he'd have played if the final hadn't been littlemore than training session for the last 15 minutes.
How is that "back"?
I think Torres will up the ante now Drogshit is gone. Not that I'm arsed or want to see it.
To be fair, this golden boot malarky for this tourno is meaningless. 3 goals is shit really, 2 against Ireland blah blah.
To be fair, this golden boot malarky for this tourno is meaningless. 3 goals is shit really, 2 against Ireland blah blah.
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