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Liverpool could have to pay more than £1million to sign teenager Max Clayton after complaints about an unofficial approach from his club Crewe.

The Anfield side are the latest Premier League giants to come under scrutiny for their behaviour in recruiting top young talent from smaller teams, after a passionate outburst from Gresty Road director of football Dario Gradi.

The veteran boss has been angered by what he claimed was - in effect - an attempt to "steal" the 15-year-old, and he hinted an official complaint to the FA could follow.

But by last night there had been no contact with Soho Square over the matter, and Liverpool will look to swiftly settle by offering what they consider a reasonable level of compensation.

Crewe could expect to get less than £100,000 if they went to a tribunal, and that left Gradi complaining: "The big clubs are stealing other people's players and you worry financially for the clubs the players are stolen from.

"What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in."

But after the fall-out from the Chelsea affair, when the Blues were banned from making any signings for 18 months after being found guilty of an illegal approach to Lens for Gael Kakuta, the Anfield club are ready to offer much more than the minimum compensation figure.

Clayton is regarded as the best young prospect at the Cheshire club, who have produced the likes of Danny Murphy, Rob Jones, Dean Ashton and Seth Johnson through their youth system.

The talented youngster is about to turn 16 and, through a loophole in football rules, can give notice that he wants to leave for another club, despite being attached to Crewe since he was seven years old.

He is the son of former Crewe striker Paul Clayton, and his brother Harry is a first year scholar at Gresty Road. Liverpool have watched him for the past 18 months, and were linked with a £1.5million bid in 2008.

Gradi has become increasingly frustrated at the manner in which his club has lost young players from their famed youth academy.

Manchester United persuaded two players to join them from Crewe last season, while Stoke signed two teenagers this summer, and Everton even took a 12-year-old from the academy.

Liverpool, though, are aware of the current mood after complaints about Chelsea and Manchester United have highlighted an increasing trend in top clubs taking the best young players from much smaller rivals.

They will offer a deal where Crewe are given a rising fee depending on the youngster's success in progressing through the ranks at Anfield, and it could eventually top £1million.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...n-bill-for-Crewe-youngster-article147933.html
 
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=35709.msg939901#msg939901 date=1252373192]
Liverpool could have to pay more than £1million to sign teenager Max Clayton after complaints about an unofficial approach from his club Crewe.

The Anfield side are the latest Premier League giants to come under scrutiny for their behaviour in recruiting top young talent from smaller teams, after a passionate outburst from Gresty Road director of football Dario Gradi.

The veteran boss has been angered by what he claimed was - in effect - an attempt to "steal" the 15-year-old, and he hinted an official complaint to the FA could follow.

But by last night there had been no contact with Soho Square over the matter, and Liverpool will look to swiftly settle by offering what they consider a reasonable level of compensation.

Crewe could expect to get less than £100,000 if they went to a tribunal, and that left Gradi complaining: "The big clubs are stealing other people's players and you worry financially for the clubs the players are stolen from.

"What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in."

But after the fall-out from the Chelsea affair, when the Blues were banned from making any signings for 18 months after being found guilty of an illegal approach to Lens for Gael Kakuta, the Anfield club are ready to offer much more than the minimum compensation figure.

Clayton is regarded as the best young prospect at the Cheshire club, who have produced the likes of Danny Murphy, Rob Jones, Dean Ashton and Seth Johnson through their youth system.

The talented youngster is about to turn 16 and, through a loophole in football rules, can give notice that he wants to leave for another club, despite being attached to Crewe since he was seven years old.

He is the son of former Crewe striker Paul Clayton, and his brother Harry is a first year scholar at Gresty Road. Liverpool have watched him for the past 18 months, and were linked with a £1.5million bid in 2008.

Gradi has become increasingly frustrated at the manner in which his club has lost young players from their famed youth academy.

Manchester United persuaded two players to join them from Crewe last season, while Stoke signed two teenagers this summer, and Everton even took a 12-year-old from the academy.

Liverpool, though, are aware of the current mood after complaints about Chelsea and Manchester United have highlighted an increasing trend in top clubs taking the best young players from much smaller rivals.

They will offer a deal where Crewe are given a rising fee depending on the youngster's success in progressing through the ranks at Anfield, and it could eventually top £1million.

http://link.est1892.co.uk/?id=347X5...n-bill-for-Crewe-youngster-article147933.html
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the kid is 15...

surely if he wants to join Liverpool he can..

Its obvious where he will recieve the best training and facilities.

Dario states.. "What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in." The Kid is 15... :🙂
 
I thought we had some sort of agreement with Crewe - feeder-club, "steal-your-players-whenever-we-want-to" sort of thing.
 
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35709.msg939902#msg939902 date=1252373684]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=35709.msg939901#msg939901 date=1252373192]
Liverpool could have to pay more than £1million to sign teenager Max Clayton after complaints about an unofficial approach from his club Crewe.

The Anfield side are the latest Premier League giants to come under scrutiny for their behaviour in recruiting top young talent from smaller teams, after a passionate outburst from Gresty Road director of football Dario Gradi.

The veteran boss has been angered by what he claimed was - in effect - an attempt to "steal" the 15-year-old, and he hinted an official complaint to the FA could follow.

But by last night there had been no contact with Soho Square over the matter, and Liverpool will look to swiftly settle by offering what they consider a reasonable level of compensation.

Crewe could expect to get less than £100,000 if they went to a tribunal, and that left Gradi complaining: "The big clubs are stealing other people's players and you worry financially for the clubs the players are stolen from.

"What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in."

But after the fall-out from the Chelsea affair, when the Blues were banned from making any signings for 18 months after being found guilty of an illegal approach to Lens for Gael Kakuta, the Anfield club are ready to offer much more than the minimum compensation figure.

Clayton is regarded as the best young prospect at the Cheshire club, who have produced the likes of Danny Murphy, Rob Jones, Dean Ashton and Seth Johnson through their youth system.

The talented youngster is about to turn 16 and, through a loophole in football rules, can give notice that he wants to leave for another club, despite being attached to Crewe since he was seven years old.

He is the son of former Crewe striker Paul Clayton, and his brother Harry is a first year scholar at Gresty Road. Liverpool have watched him for the past 18 months, and were linked with a £1.5million bid in 2008.

Gradi has become increasingly frustrated at the manner in which his club has lost young players from their famed youth academy.

Manchester United persuaded two players to join them from Crewe last season, while Stoke signed two teenagers this summer, and Everton even took a 12-year-old from the academy.

Liverpool, though, are aware of the current mood after complaints about Chelsea and Manchester United have highlighted an increasing trend in top clubs taking the best young players from much smaller rivals.

They will offer a deal where Crewe are given a rising fee depending on the youngster's success in progressing through the ranks at Anfield, and it could eventually top £1million.

http://link.est1892.co.uk/?id=347X5...n-bill-for-Crewe-youngster-article147933.html
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the kid is 15...

surely if he wants to join Liverpool he can..

Its obvious where he will recieve the best training and facilities.

Dario states.. "What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in." The Kid is 15... :🙂
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So, before 15 no development goes into a player?
 
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=35709.msg939906#msg939906 date=1252378089]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35709.msg939902#msg939902 date=1252373684]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=35709.msg939901#msg939901 date=1252373192]
Liverpool could have to pay more than £1million to sign teenager Max Clayton after complaints about an unofficial approach from his club Crewe.

The Anfield side are the latest Premier League giants to come under scrutiny for their behaviour in recruiting top young talent from smaller teams, after a passionate outburst from Gresty Road director of football Dario Gradi.

The veteran boss has been angered by what he claimed was - in effect - an attempt to "steal" the 15-year-old, and he hinted an official complaint to the FA could follow.

But by last night there had been no contact with Soho Square over the matter, and Liverpool will look to swiftly settle by offering what they consider a reasonable level of compensation.

Crewe could expect to get less than £100,000 if they went to a tribunal, and that left Gradi complaining: "The big clubs are stealing other people's players and you worry financially for the clubs the players are stolen from.

"What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in."

But after the fall-out from the Chelsea affair, when the Blues were banned from making any signings for 18 months after being found guilty of an illegal approach to Lens for Gael Kakuta, the Anfield club are ready to offer much more than the minimum compensation figure.

Clayton is regarded as the best young prospect at the Cheshire club, who have produced the likes of Danny Murphy, Rob Jones, Dean Ashton and Seth Johnson through their youth system.

The talented youngster is about to turn 16 and, through a loophole in football rules, can give notice that he wants to leave for another club, despite being attached to Crewe since he was seven years old.

He is the son of former Crewe striker Paul Clayton, and his brother Harry is a first year scholar at Gresty Road. Liverpool have watched him for the past 18 months, and were linked with a £1.5million bid in 2008.

Gradi has become increasingly frustrated at the manner in which his club has lost young players from their famed youth academy.

Manchester United persuaded two players to join them from Crewe last season, while Stoke signed two teenagers this summer, and Everton even took a 12-year-old from the academy.

Liverpool, though, are aware of the current mood after complaints about Chelsea and Manchester United have highlighted an increasing trend in top clubs taking the best young players from much smaller rivals.

They will offer a deal where Crewe are given a rising fee depending on the youngster's success in progressing through the ranks at Anfield, and it could eventually top £1million.

http://link.est1892.co.uk/?id=347X5...n-bill-for-Crewe-youngster-article147933.html
[/quote]

the kid is 15...

surely if he wants to join Liverpool he can..

Its obvious where he will recieve the best training and facilities.

Dario states.. "What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in." The Kid is 15... :🙂
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So, before 15 no development goes into a player?
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i think its safe to say that there isnt a great deal you can do with a player at such a young age. They either have ability or they dont.. you can obviously run drills to improve the player but 1.5 million in compensation is completely daft.
 
I was a bit surprised by Gradi, although he made a point of NOT naming the club in question in the interview I saw. It seems strange after practically having an open-door policy for LFC for decades to suddenly get uppitty about this. Maybe the old lines of communication have been severed and he's angry about that. We do display an amazing lack of tact at times these days.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35709.msg939941#msg939941 date=1252397322]
I was a bit surprised by Gradi, although he made a point of NOT naming the club in question in the interview I saw. It seems strange after practically having an open-door policy for LFC for decades to suddenly get uppitty about this. Maybe the old lines of communication have been severed and he's angry about that. We do display an amazing lack of tact at times these days.
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That is very possible seeing as all the top men in the Academy have been replaced in the last 6/12 months.
There would have been an established connection between him and Heighway and possibly one or two of the local scouts. Rafa has changed all that now.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35709.msg939941#msg939941 date=1252397322]
I was a bit surprised by Gradi, although he made a point of NOT naming the club in question in the interview I saw. It seems strange after practically having an open-door policy for LFC for decades to suddenly get uppitty about this. Maybe the old lines of communication have been severed and he's angry about that. We do display an amazing lack of tact at times these days.
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Fucking Parry!!

*shakes fist*
 
Strictly speaking we could take him at 15. You then have to compensate the club who developed him £1,500 for each season he spent at that club.
 
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35709.msg939910#msg939910 date=1252379397]
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=35709.msg939906#msg939906 date=1252378089]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=35709.msg939902#msg939902 date=1252373684]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=35709.msg939901#msg939901 date=1252373192]
Liverpool could have to pay more than £1million to sign teenager Max Clayton after complaints about an unofficial approach from his club Crewe.

The Anfield side are the latest Premier League giants to come under scrutiny for their behaviour in recruiting top young talent from smaller teams, after a passionate outburst from Gresty Road director of football Dario Gradi.

The veteran boss has been angered by what he claimed was - in effect - an attempt to "steal" the 15-year-old, and he hinted an official complaint to the FA could follow.

But by last night there had been no contact with Soho Square over the matter, and Liverpool will look to swiftly settle by offering what they consider a reasonable level of compensation.

Crewe could expect to get less than £100,000 if they went to a tribunal, and that left Gradi complaining: "The big clubs are stealing other people's players and you worry financially for the clubs the players are stolen from.

"What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in."

But after the fall-out from the Chelsea affair, when the Blues were banned from making any signings for 18 months after being found guilty of an illegal approach to Lens for Gael Kakuta, the Anfield club are ready to offer much more than the minimum compensation figure.

Clayton is regarded as the best young prospect at the Cheshire club, who have produced the likes of Danny Murphy, Rob Jones, Dean Ashton and Seth Johnson through their youth system.

The talented youngster is about to turn 16 and, through a loophole in football rules, can give notice that he wants to leave for another club, despite being attached to Crewe since he was seven years old.

He is the son of former Crewe striker Paul Clayton, and his brother Harry is a first year scholar at Gresty Road. Liverpool have watched him for the past 18 months, and were linked with a £1.5million bid in 2008.

Gradi has become increasingly frustrated at the manner in which his club has lost young players from their famed youth academy.

Manchester United persuaded two players to join them from Crewe last season, while Stoke signed two teenagers this summer, and Everton even took a 12-year-old from the academy.

Liverpool, though, are aware of the current mood after complaints about Chelsea and Manchester United have highlighted an increasing trend in top clubs taking the best young players from much smaller rivals.

They will offer a deal where Crewe are given a rising fee depending on the youngster's success in progressing through the ranks at Anfield, and it could eventually top £1million.

http://link.est1892.co.uk/?id=347X5...n-bill-for-Crewe-youngster-article147933.html
[/quote]

the kid is 15...

surely if he wants to join Liverpool he can..

Its obvious where he will recieve the best training and facilities.

Dario states.. "What sort of compensation are we going to get for all the work that has gone into developing him? Any compensation is insignificant for the effort that's gone in." The Kid is 15... :🙂
[/quote]

So, before 15 no development goes into a player?
[/quote]

i think its safe to say that there isnt a great deal you can do with a player at such a young age. They either have ability or they dont.. you can obviously run drills to improve the player but 1.5 million in compensation is completely daft.
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Eh, wrong. Some of the most important stages of a players development is between the ages of 6 and 15. OK you have some that are destined to be superstars from the moment they can walk, but on the whole its at this early stage of their development that most players get the correct foundation for their footballing ability.
 
I thought that we had a good relationship with Crewe. Clearly not any more. I think a deal whereby Crewe profit more, the better this guy turns out to be is a fair way of doing things.
 
I can see where crewe are coming from... why pay hundreds of thousands of pounds on producing just one good player when he'll be snatched away before playing a first team game for peanuts.

Quicker this under 18 ban comes in the better.
 
I hate this 'Dario Gradi's never ending production line of talented youth' bollocks.

Geoff Thomas and Danny Murphy is all he's got to show for a lifetime in the game. Well Bully for you Gradi.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35709.msg940513#msg940513 date=1252484960]
I'm pretty sure Rob Jones started there too
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So Rob Jones, Murphy and Geoff Thomas.

The Busby Babes it aint.
 
I just checked Gradi is responsible for Robbie Savage too.

David Platt, Neil Lennon, Dean Ashton and Seth Johnson are the other internationally capped players.
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35709.msg940528#msg940528 date=1252486074]
Someone make a "Gradi Greats" team.
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F. Haggerty R.Haggerty Tompkins Noble Carrick Robson Crapper Dewhurst McIntyre Treadmore Davitt
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=35709.msg940532#msg940532 date=1252486616]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35709.msg940528#msg940528 date=1252486074]
Someone make a "Gradi Greats" team.
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F. Haggerty R.Haggerty Tompkins Noble Carrick Robson Crapper Dewhurst McIntyre Treadmore Davitt


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Neville Davitt scored two in't last minute, and Frank Haggerty saved a penalty
 
Italian club Fiorentina are considering a formal complaint to FIFA over the signing of teenage defender Michele Fornasier by Manchester United.

The club have made initial contact with FIFA but no investigation has yet been launched.

United are confident of their legal position - players aged under 18 are not legally permitted to sign contracts in Italy and Fornasier was not contracted to Fiorentina when he was signed by the Manchester club this year.

Fiorentina are furious at losing out on the 16-year-old, however, and have written to FIFA.

A FIFA spokesman said: "FIFA can confirm that we were contacted by Fiorentina with regard to the potential transfer of the player, Michele Fornasier, to Manchester United.

"However, so far no formal investigation was opened since the relevant documentation still needs to be completed. Only then will we be in a position to evaluate possible future steps to be taken."

Fornasier is not the first Italian teenager signed by United - striker Federico Macheda joined from Lazio when he was 16, and another defender, Alberto Massacci, joined from Empoli this summer.

Empoli have not complained but United have asked the FA to seek international clearance from FIFA for Massacci as none has been forthcoming from the Italian FA.

The FIFA spokesman added: "Our services were contacted by the Football Association on behalf of its member club, Manchester United, with regard to the international clearance for the player Alberto Massacci, since the FA was not able to receive the pertinent international transfer certificate from the Italian Football Federation."
 
All the lower leagues will jump on this bandwagon now to see if they can make anything of it. The foreign clubs will probably do the same because they think the prem is getting too strong for them.

Could this have something to do with clubs preparing for the inevitability of platini/blatter 6+5 rule or some derivative of it
 
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