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The worst league in years?????

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I keep reading/hearing about how United sit on top of a ‘poor Premier League’ but seriously that’s absolute cr*ap
Yes united haven’t been great but I wouldn’t say the premier league is poor, if anything the complete opposite it’s been one of the best in years (of course not from our perspective)
Don’t get me wrong I enjoy watching La Liga games and they have some of the best players in the world but all of them play at either Barcelona or Real Madrid. In comparison the rest of the league its mediocre to say the least, you have about 3 or 4 other teams which fight for the 2 remaining champions league spots.

Week in week out we are treated to some brilliant games, excitement, quality goals and most importantly we don’t have the predictability of La Liga. The reason manure are not running away with the league is because the so called lesser teams are now so much better than in the past. Agreed we have some poor teams but even they on their day can beat the top teams. The defining factor for me is that we now have 6 (7 when we decide to turn up at the start of the season) who could win the league

Ok first thread syndrome over, would like some of your thoughts
 
Oh little Redz you started a thread, well done!

You're right, obviously the PL is without a doubt the most competitive league in Europe. What makes me sad is if we had our team of two seasons ago with that point tally, we would have won this mutha!
 
its incredible really, have certain teams not performed? or have other teams upped their games? there seems to be a lot of points dropped against "weak" opposition. Last week west ham played us off the park, yet are near the drop. Everton are always a threat when teams play them yet they aren't doing that well in the league table. Wolves have pulled out some top class performances and have beaten teams who you'd expect to crush them. Bolton deserve special mention as they have dramatically improved.

This season there seems to be a lot more fight and passion in teams who you wouldn't expect to do well. Blackpool, bolton, birmingham, newcastle, sunderland all seem to be pulling out top drawer performances.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44471.msg1296586#msg1296586 date=1299512391]
its incredible really, have certain teams not performed? or have other teams upped their games? there seems to be a lot of points dropped against "weak" opposition. Last week west ham played us off the park, yet are near the drop. Everton are always a threat when teams play them yet they aren't doing that well in the league table. Wolves have pulled out some top class performances and have beaten teams who you'd expect to crush them. Bolton deserve special mention as they have dramatically improved.

This season there seems to be a lot more fight and passion in teams who you wouldn't expect to do well. Blackpool, bolton, birmingham, newcastle, sunderland all seem to be pulling out top drawer performances.
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you say fight and passion but these days you need more then that
I mean Bolton always had the fight but now they actually play some good stuff with some good footballers ...
 
Anyone seems to be able to beat anyone these days LR. I do agree to a degree.
 
[quote author=LITTLE REDZ link=topic=44471.msg1296593#msg1296593 date=1299512986]

you say fight and passion but these days you need more then that
I mean Bolton always had the fight but now they actually play some good stuff with some good footballers ...
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I think the truth this season is somewhere in between. I don't think United and Chelsea are at their best, Arsenal have been better than recent seasons, then we have Spurs and City coming into their own.

The lower sides are definitely playing some good football this season, they've all been at it, Wolves, Brum, Blackpool, Wigan, all of them. It's a more competitive league but the top teams are far from the standard of some of the sides we've seen dominate the league.
 
[quote author=LITTLE REDZ link=topic=44471.msg1296593#msg1296593 date=1299512986]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44471.msg1296586#msg1296586 date=1299512391]
its incredible really, have certain teams not performed? or have other teams upped their games? there seems to be a lot of points dropped against "weak" opposition. Last week west ham played us off the park, yet are near the drop. Everton are always a threat when teams play them yet they aren't doing that well in the league table. Wolves have pulled out some top class performances and have beaten teams who you'd expect to crush them. Bolton deserve special mention as they have dramatically improved.

This season there seems to be a lot more fight and passion in teams who you wouldn't expect to do well. Blackpool, bolton, birmingham, newcastle, sunderland all seem to be pulling out top drawer performances.
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you say fight and passion but these days you need more then that
I mean Bolton always had the fight but now they actually play some good stuff with some good footballers ...
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true, it seems that all clubs now seem to have some sort of mercurial player that, when performing, improves the entire side. we're used to seeing 11 sacks of dross with subs who are drossier(?). But now it's changed. most teams have subs who can change a game for them, as well as players who start who are good enough. Obviously there are stil some exceptions to this, but on the whole the level of ability throughout the league has been the best in recent memory
 
IMO it is combination of the top teams going through a period of change as the players who have performed for them over the last 5 - 10 years come to the end of their careers :
United - Ratface, Scholes, Giggs etc.
Chelsea - Lampard, Terry and the rest of the pensioners,
Arsenal have only just managed to re-build a team that was castrated by the loss of Henry, Pires, Hleb & Flamini over a 2 year period
Liverpool - we have been in the doldrums and utter chaos since finishing runners-up.
Citeh still haven't managed to create a title winning team from all their super-stars.

Align that to the PL money that has transformed some of the poorer PL teams that can now afford to keep hold of their better players and bring in good 2nd tier, or lesser or unproven, overseas players and this season we have seen a decline in the standard at the top of the table and an improvement of the rest, creating a very exciting season whereby the bottom teams can absolutely beat any of the top teams on any given day.

I expect Arsenal, Citeh and ourselves to kick on next season with Chelsea and United having to rebuild ... so a 5-way shoot-out with Spurs having too much to do to join the party.
 
imo the top teams have undoubtedly got weaker than they were 3 or 4 years ago ,but the rest of the league has improved. personally i think the league should be judged on its champion team and regardless who wins it this season they will not be a memorable outfit.its a poor league this season.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44471.msg1296605#msg1296605 date=1299513427]
IMO it is combination of the top teams going through a period of change as the players who have performed for them over the last 5 - 10 years come to the end of their careers :
United - Ratface, Scholes, Giggs etc.
Chelsea - Lampard, Terry and the rest of the pensioners,
Arsenal have only just managed to re-build a team that was castrated by the loss of Henry, Pires, Hleb & Flamini over a 2 year period
Liverpool - we have been in the doldrums and utter chaos since finishing runners-up.
Citeh still haven't managed to create a title winning team from all their super-stars.

Align that to the PL money that has transformed some of the poorer PL teams that can now afford to keep hold of their better players and bring in good 2nd tier, or lesser or unproven, overseas players and this season we have seen a decline in the standard at the top of the table and an improvement of the rest, creating a very exciting season whereby the bottom teams can absolutely beat any of the top teams on any given day.

I expect Arsenal, Citeh and ourselves to kick on next season with Chelsea and United having to rebuild ... so a 5-way shoot-out with Spurs having too much to do to join the party.


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our rebuilding job is just as big as manu or chelsea. how many top players do we need? 4? 5?
 
Re: Re: The worst league in years?????

Spurs really don't have much to do. We have much more to do

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The PL is ultra competitve this season and no result is a foregone conclusion. That's how it should be.

There's been some cracking games with some amazing goals. Believe it or not, its getting even better!
 
i think when people say it's a poor league they're really referring to the title-challengers, and imo they're right: the top 4 this season doesn't have one outstanding team between them, whereas in previous years there's always been at least 2 and sometimes 3. utd still haven't got over losing ronaldo and tevez, and both them and chelsea are really creaking with age; arsenal are closer but that's more to do with the others' decline than any improvement.

it'll be interesting to see what happens in the market this summer. us, utd and chelsea all need to spend pretty big money - if we get it right then who knows where we might be this time next year.
 
This a big summer for a few of the top Premiership sides.

Hope we get our top targets in quickly because if we do, Kenny is setting the cat amongst the pigeons.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=44471.msg1296683#msg1296683 date=1299516949]
imo the top teams have undoubtedly got weaker than they were 3 or 4 years ago ,but the rest of the league has improved. personally i think the league should be judged on its champion team and regardless who wins it this season they will not be a memorable outfit.its a poor league this season.
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Bayern Munich were dead good in the CL last season, and won their domestic league. Does that make the German league dead great then?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44471.msg1296691#msg1296691 date=1299517354]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44471.msg1296605#msg1296605 date=1299513427]
IMO it is combination of the top teams going through a period of change as the players who have performed for them over the last 5 - 10 years come to the end of their careers :
United - Ratface, Scholes, Giggs etc.
Chelsea - Lampard, Terry and the rest of the pensioners,
Arsenal have only just managed to re-build a team that was castrated by the loss of Henry, Pires, Hleb & Flamini over a 2 year period
Liverpool - we have been in the doldrums and utter chaos since finishing runners-up.
Citeh still haven't managed to create a title winning team from all their super-stars.

Align that to the PL money that has transformed some of the poorer PL teams that can now afford to keep hold of their better players and bring in good 2nd tier, or lesser or unproven, overseas players and this season we have seen a decline in the standard at the top of the table and an improvement of the rest, creating a very exciting season whereby the bottom teams can absolutely beat any of the top teams on any given day.

I expect Arsenal, Citeh and ourselves to kick on next season with Chelsea and United having to rebuild ... so a 5-way shoot-out with Spurs having too much to do to join the party.


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our rebuilding job is just as big as manu or chelsea. how many top players do we need? 4? 5?
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IMHO - in terms of rebuilding required, squad or 1st team strengthening :-

1. Spurs. (they have had a good run but IMHO they are not of the same calibre of the other five - and yes I include us - so a lot more work required).
2. United (need a complete new MF, possibly a new LB, a new keeper and maybe another forward - Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, VdS).
3. Chelsea (Malouda, Drogba, Anelka, Cole etc. and they will have a new manager for sure - unless they somehow sneak the PL).
4. Liverpool (winger, CB, maybe a MF, maybe a LB - though I like Johnson there)
5. Citeh (who knows what's going to happen and who they'll buy) !
6. Arsenal (a worry if Fabregas leaves)

Depending on Summer departures / retirements / age / health issues etc of course.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=44471.msg1296683#msg1296683 date=1299516949]
imo the top teams have undoubtedly got weaker than they were 3 or 4 years ago ,but the rest of the league has improved. personally i think the league should be judged on its champion team and regardless who wins it this season they will not be a memorable outfit.its a poor league this season.
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Clearly ridiculous. The strength of any given league is not based on any one team.
 
[quote author=vikas link=topic=44471.msg1296741#msg1296741 date=1299522268]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=44471.msg1296683#msg1296683 date=1299516949]
imo the top teams have undoubtedly got weaker than they were 3 or 4 years ago ,but the rest of the league has improved. personally i think the league should be judged on its champion team and regardless who wins it this season they will not be a memorable outfit.its a poor league this season.
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Bayern Munich were dead good in the CL last season, and won their domestic league. Does that make the German league dead great then?
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I think the german league is pretty strong tbh ,iin fact i would argue that with a fine bayern side struggling in 5th u would have to say that it is a good league . truth is i dont follow it closely enough to make a fair judgement , imo however there is no one team you can point to in England right now as outstandingly good and this has not been the case for most of the past 10 years .losing players like Ronaldo,Alonso and mascherano does weaken a league overall ,for my money right now the best players are abroad. it does not have the strength it used to, it is in transistion.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44471.msg1296748#msg1296748 date=1299523063]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=44471.msg1296683#msg1296683 date=1299516949]
imo the top teams have undoubtedly got weaker than they were 3 or 4 years ago ,but the rest of the league has improved. personally i think the league should be judged on its champion team and regardless who wins it this season they will not be a memorable outfit.its a poor league this season.
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Clearly ridiculous. The strength of any given league is not based on any one team.
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Not ridiculous at all . strength in depth is fine but imo the champions should represent the best that league can offer. The smaller teams have done so well this season partly because the stronger teams are considerably weaker than they were
 
The league as a whole is more competitive, but the best teams are worse than they have been in the past. It certainly makes the league more interesting.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=44471.msg1296864#msg1296864 date=1299533332]
The league as a whole is more competitive, but the best teams are worse than they have been in the past. It certainly makes the league more interesting.
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Also the worst teams are better than they used to be
 
the best teams are underperforming and the worst are overperforming.

it's awesome
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44471.msg1296745#msg1296745 date=1299522967]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44471.msg1296691#msg1296691 date=1299517354]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44471.msg1296605#msg1296605 date=1299513427]
IMO it is combination of the top teams going through a period of change as the players who have performed for them over the last 5 - 10 years come to the end of their careers :
United - Ratface, Scholes, Giggs etc.
Chelsea - Lampard, Terry and the rest of the pensioners,
Arsenal have only just managed to re-build a team that was castrated by the loss of Henry, Pires, Hleb & Flamini over a 2 year period
Liverpool - we have been in the doldrums and utter chaos since finishing runners-up.
Citeh still haven't managed to create a title winning team from all their super-stars.

Align that to the PL money that has transformed some of the poorer PL teams that can now afford to keep hold of their better players and bring in good 2nd tier, or lesser or unproven, overseas players and this season we have seen a decline in the standard at the top of the table and an improvement of the rest, creating a very exciting season whereby the bottom teams can absolutely beat any of the top teams on any given day.

I expect Arsenal, Citeh and ourselves to kick on next season with Chelsea and United having to rebuild ... so a 5-way shoot-out with Spurs having too much to do to join the party.


[/quote]

our rebuilding job is just as big as manu or chelsea. how many top players do we need? 4? 5?
[/quote]

IMHO - in terms of rebuilding required, squad or 1st team strengthening :-

1. Spurs. (they have had a good run but IMHO they are not of the same calibre of the other five - and yes I include us - so a lot more work required).
2. United (need a complete new MF, possibly a new LB, a new keeper and maybe another forward - Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, VdS).
3. Chelsea (Malouda, Drogba, Anelka, Cole etc. and they will have a new manager for sure - unless they somehow sneak the PL).
4. Liverpool (winger, CB, maybe a MF, maybe a LB - though I like Johnson there)
5. Citeh (who knows what's going to happen and who they'll buy) !
6. Arsenal (a worry if Fabregas leaves)

Depending on Summer departures / retirements / age / health issues etc of course.
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I really dont think Spurs are that far away, i mean take a look at their squad and even with so many injury problems mug face arry still gets a very decent team out there
they seem to have the funds available so if they get a world class striker i think they will be there again next season
 
Completely agree.

Spurs have one of the best squads in the league. They're around to stay.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=44471.msg1296864#msg1296864 date=1299533332]
The league as a whole is more competitive, but the best teams are worse than they have been in the past. It certainly makes the league more interesting.
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^

This probably sums it up best for me.

What really annoys me is the time we wasted on Hodgson. If he hadnt been so fucking useless or if Kenny had got the job in the summer, I honestly think we could have been challenging.
 
I think we'd have made the Champions League, definitely.

But pondering what might have been, especially in regard to Liverpool FC, is always a short-cut to depression.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44471.msg1297202#msg1297202 date=1299602909]
I think we'd have made the Champions League, definitely.

But pondering what might have been, especially in regard to Liverpool FC, is always a short-cut to depression.
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I certainly wont disagree with that.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44471.msg1297195#msg1297195 date=1299602096]
Completely agree.

Spurs have one of the best squads in the league. They're around to stay.
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Depends. If they dont get CL this season, Bale gets sold and they cant really improve their squad during the summer. They'll be around 5th-6th next season aswell. They're a selling club not a winning club.

Also, Harry will soon fuck off. Either in jail or to manage England.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44471.msg1297271#msg1297271 date=1299610570]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44471.msg1297195#msg1297195 date=1299602096]
Completely agree.

Spurs have one of the best squads in the league. They're around to stay.
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Depends. If they dont get CL this season, Bale gets sold and they cant really improve their squad during the summer. They'll be around 5th-6th next season aswell. They're a selling club not a winning club.

Also, Harry will soon fuck off. Either in jail or to manage England.
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Harry may well piss off and will probably be offered the England job shortly but I don't think for a second that's going to be a major problem for Spurs.

Their squad and payroll haven't been built upon the CL money the way Leeds were - or even the way we had been for that matter. We see them as a selling club cause that's what they were 8 or 9 years ago but there's been precious little evidence of that since then. They're very well run, have a very strong squad, financially solid - in short they're doing things very similarly to the way we want to.

I must admit I really thought Defoe etc would be enough for them up front but they do need someone else. If they had a player of similar calibre to Rooney/Torres/Drogba up front then they'd be right in the hunt for the title. Whether that gets sorted in the summer is anyones guess but what I'm sure of is that CL footy won't determine if they're going to be looking for that type of player.
 
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=44471.msg1297763#msg1297763 date=1299680694]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44471.msg1297271#msg1297271 date=1299610570]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44471.msg1297195#msg1297195 date=1299602096]
Completely agree.

Spurs have one of the best squads in the league. They're around to stay.
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Depends. If they dont get CL this season, Bale gets sold and they cant really improve their squad during the summer. They'll be around 5th-6th next season aswell. They're a selling club not a winning club.

Also, Harry will soon fuck off. Either in jail or to manage England.
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Harry may well piss off and will probably be offered the England job shortly but I don't think for a second that's going to be a major problem for Spurs.

Their squad and payroll haven't been built upon the CL money the way Leeds were - or even the way we had been for that matter. We see them as a selling club cause that's what they were 8 or 9 years ago but there's been precious little evidence of that since then. They're very well run, have a very strong squad, financially solid - in short they're doing things very similarly to the way we want to.

I must admit I really thought Defoe etc would be enough for them up front but they do need someone else. If they had a player of similar calibre to Rooney/Torres/Drogba up front then they'd be right in the hunt for the title. Whether that gets sorted in the summer is anyones guess but what I'm sure of is that CL footy won't determine if they're going to be looking for that type of player.
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As much as i dont like Spurs but yesterdays result shows again they need to be taken seriously.
I agree they are only a world class striker and maybe goal keeper away from a title challenge. I dont think finances are an issue either
 
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