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John Obi Mikel has been handed a three-match suspension and fined £60,000 for his actions following Chelsea's defeat to Manchester United.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...hree-games-after-threatening-Mark-Clattenburg


So is this the FA getting their retribution? 3 games seems a bit harsh.
Surely if he believed what he was told to be true, then surely it'd be normal he goes off on one a bit? Shouldn't there be some sort of punishment for Ramires that informed him of what he 'thought' he heard? Or do we go down the path that you should ignore everything you are told unless you heard it yourself?



 
I don't think it was just for his allegations, it was also for him being abusive and physically threatening.
 
Mors said:
John Obi Mikel has been handed a three-match suspension and fined £60,000 for his actions following Chelsea's defeat to Manchester United.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...hree-games-after-threatening-Mark-Clattenburg




So is this the FA getting their retribution? 3 games seems a bit harsh.
Surely if he believed what he was told to be true, then surely it'd be normal he goes off on one a bit? Shouldn't there be some sort of punishment for Ramires that informed him of what he 'thought' he heard? Or do we go down the path that you should ignore everything you are told unless you heard it yourself?



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Harsh? He threatened the ref in his dressing room and Clattenburg is in the clear for what they accused him off.

You're the biggest joke on this site.
 
Abusive and threatning and Clattenburg in the clear.

3 game ban and a fine sounds about right.
 
Signed a 5 year extension yesterday, sounds like he well aware of ban and fine.

Good move by them, let's them, draw a line and get move on.

Don't think the kick it out lot will agree
 
Not harsh at all, The fact is Clattenburg himself missed about a month of work while he was being investigated even though he was innocent. The fact that the threatening and abusive footballer looses half a weeks wages and misses three games seems light to me. In the real world physically threatening someone can get you into more trouble. I think that this is a balancing act in some ways, of course racially abusing someone is wrong and should be severely punished, but its also wrong to falsely accuse someone of such an act. To then abuse and threaten someone on top of this (on secondhand information no less) just screams out for justice, and proves that poor behaviour and attitudes from all sides will be addressed correctly.
 
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Not harsh at all, The fact is Clattenburg himself missed about a month of work while he was being investigated even though he was innocent. The fact that the threatening and abusive footballer looses half a weeks wages and misses three games seems light to me. In the real world physically threatening someone can get you into more trouble. I think that this is a balancing act in some ways, of course racially abusing someone is wrong and should be severely punished, but its also wrong to falsely accuse someone of such an act. To then abuse and threaten someone on top of this (on secondhand information no less) just screams out for justice, and proves that poor behaviour and attitudes from all sides will be addressed correctly.
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He's not had the ban on the back of the false allegations though, he's had it on the back of the threatening behaviour and foul langage against the ref. There has been no punishment by the FA to him or Ramires for the allegations. And it opens pandora's box either way - punish them for reporting it and you're inadvertently stopping people reporting racism, or don't punish them and you could have people mishearing anything any putting in allegations against anyone. And it seems by society the only sort of insults that people should be bothered about for some reason is racism, so that could be the one they get inundated with.

I wonder what Ramires actually thought he heard. (or did hear but there was not enough evidence)

I'm stuck gobsmacked that it's obviously ok for 10 thousand people to hurl the sort of abuse at footballers every weekend in line with what beckham had about his wife and kids, or the hillsborough songs, the munich songs etc, but as soon as one player or one person in the crowd says 'you black ______' and it's backpage news, lifetime bans from grounds, 8 game bans from football, hundreds of thousand pound fines etc.
 
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He's not had the ban on the back of the false allegations though, he's had it on the back of the threatening behaviour and foul langage against the ref. There has been no punishment by the FA to him or Ramires for the allegations. And it opens pandora's box either way - punish them for reporting it and you're inadvertently stopping people reporting racism, or don't punish them and you could have people mishearing anything any putting in allegations against anyone. And it seems by society the only sort of insults that people should be bothered about for some reason is racism, so that could be the one they get inundated with.

I wonder what Ramires actually thought he heard. (or did hear but there was not enough evidence)

I'm stuck gobsmacked that it's obviously ok for 10 thousand people to hurl the sort of abuse at footballers every weekend in line with what beckham had about his wife and kids, or the hillsborough songs, the munich songs etc, but as soon as one player or one person in the crowd says 'you black ______' and it's backpage news, lifetime bans from grounds, 8 game bans from football, hundreds of thousand pound fines etc.
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No one said it was ok, both types are getting reported a lot more and to be fair to fa they are trying to do a lot more about it now. Would rather fa do something about it than nothing at all, fa can't fix society's idiocy. Mobs singing stupid songs has been going on since I have followed football, especially outside of football. Try getting on Waterloo east train after 7 before a game and you will find out.
 
Mors said:
He's not had the ban on the back of the false allegations though, he's had it on the back of the threatening behaviour and foul langage against the ref. There has been no punishment by the FA to him or Ramires for the allegations. And it opens pandora's box either way - punish them for reporting it and you're inadvertently stopping people reporting racism, or don't punish them and you could have people mishearing anything any putting in allegations against anyone.
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I agree and wasn't saying he should be punished for reporting false allegations, I was merely commenting that reporting the allegations is all that should be done. I know that anyone facing those kinds of comments will be infused with righteous anger, but the only way that anything productive will get done is to report it. Lashing out either verbally or physically will not help anyone and must be punished. I just feel that a £60,000 fine is a rather light punishment for to ask of a professional footballer, who makes millions a year, for threatening a person.
 
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