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The most important news I'm waiting for before summer

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rurikbird

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Something to the effect of:

Ian Ayre has left his position as the managing director of Liverpool Football Club in order to return to his duties as the club's Commercial Director, which was his position before 2011. [An experienced football person who is not a charlatan] has been hired as the Head of the Football operations. His duties will include working with the manager Brendan Rodgers to identify transfer targets and conducting direct negotiations over any transfer activity.

If something like this doesn't appear sometime soon, we can draw up our lists of preferred high-profile targets all we want, we'll still end up with big, fat nuthin'.
 
If he does go Rurik who would you have replace him?
David Dein gets mentioned all the time but I reckon he wouldn't go for it.
I've been impressed by Cortese when he was at Saints. Seems to love attention to detail and was very hands on with regards to their academy too.
 
Well, the #1 requirement would be to be able to work well with Rodgers. If there is any clash or personalities or if Rodgers feels in any way threatened by the new arrival – he would not allow it to happen. So my opinion counts for fuck all.
 
That applies to every opinion expressed on here though!

I'd like a change at the top as well, but I'm not shy of saying I don't know who should come in. I'd like FSG to do a proper executive search, as any other high-level commercial organisation would when appointing their next MD. This doesn't guarantee success (e.g.it would appear ManUre have got themselves a bit of a turkey, oh dear how sad never mind) but it should at least shorten the odds against making another mistaken appointment.
 
Whats wrong with Ayres exactly??

I genuinely dont know why he is so disliked.... I dont know much about him tbh
 
Molbystwin said:
Whats wrong with Ayres exactly??
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She's no Jason

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Molbystwin said:
Whats wrong with Ayres exactly??

I genuinely dont know why he is so disliked.... I dont know much about him tbh
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Nothing personal… He is a good commercial director, but seems a bit naive in football matters given how our last 5 major targets all slipped out of his grasp.
 
Indeed. When a pattern like that begins to emerge, you have to look at who's in charge. Heaven knows he wouldn't be the first person promoted above his ability in a commercial concern.
 
If we're boiling down Ayre's 'failings' as not getting the football managers targets then surely John Henry himself should be negotiating deals with agents.

I never understand why owners add another layer of bureaucracy to get contracts done. Henry will have set the financial parameters anyway and has the extra discretion of holding the wallet.

Who could fail to sign especially if Linda accompanies him? They only have to turn up twice a year as well. Do it.
 
Not sure, jexy. Liverpool is just one of John Henry's business interests, a major one certainly but not the only one. As it happens I quite like the idea of him doing the negotiating (and the idea of fetching Linda, a businesswoman in her own right BTW, on to the team is a darn good one!) but I don't think it's unreasonable in principle for owners with a variety of interests to delegate even major matters to a CEO/MD-type figure - as long as, in practice, that person is held properly to account, and binned if they don't measure up.
 
He's a step up on Coco, my only issue is he thinks he's one one of the lads. I.e. The time he was photographed on the shoulders if Robbie. Now I'm all up for having a laugh and a crack as long as it's out of the limelight. I mean you don't see many other CEO's of football clubs doing the same. Also I agree with other posters, Ayre has been great bringing in new commercial businesses and sponsors but I think we need someone better to handle the transfer and contracts side of the business.
 
rurikbird said:
Something to the effect of:

Ian Ayre has left his position as the managing director of Liverpool Football Club in order to return to his duties as the club's Commercial Director, which was his position before 2011. [An experienced football person who is not a charlatan] has been hired as the Head of the Football operations. His duties will include working with the manager Brendan Rodgers to identify transfer targets and conducting direct negotiations over any transfer activity.

If something like this doesn't appear sometime soon, we can draw up our lists of preferred high-profile targets all we want, we'll still end up with big, fat nuthin'.
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Oh just fuck right off. Please.
 
rurikbird said:
Nothing personal… He is a good commercial director, but seems a bit naive in football matters given how our last 5 major targets all slipped out of his grasp.
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You do realise why we missed out on those targets don't you..... And I wouldn't blame Ayer.

He's assisted with getting the wage bill down, brought massive commercial revenues in, backed the manager regarding refusing to sell Suarez.

The big players we missed out on went to either clubs who had been in the champs league or offered a hell of a lot more wages. I'm glad he won't be bent over a barrel when it comes to negotiations.

I couldn't fault how he's ran the business side of the club.
 
Tbh I'm not sure any of us knows much about player negations, but I can't really imagine at this level they're much different from multi million pound sponsorship deals, which he seems to excel at.

I doubt there's any definitive answer yet to whether he can do it or not, but I'd like to think he learnt a few lessons in January which will help & our new position in the league plus cl will make his job a bit easier.

Our links with lallana so early bode well, typically the sides good at transfer dealings get in & do them early doors, & it's a stark contrast to whoring ourselves out to players in the last couple of days of the window in January like we'd only just realised it'd been opened.
 
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Tbh I'm not sure any of us knows much about player negations, but I can't really imagine at this level they're much different from multi million pound sponsorship deals, which he seems to excel at.

I doubt there's any definitive answer yet to whether he can do it or not, but I'd like to think he learnt a few lessons in January which will help & our new position in the league plus cl will make his job a bit easier.

Our links with lallana so early bode well, typically the sides good at transfer dealings get in & do them early doors, & it's a stark contrast to whoring ourselves out to players in the last couple of days of the window in January like we'd only just realised it'd been opened.
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Same here, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but I do think there probably is some significant difference there.
Dealing with players' and clubs' agents, for one.
 
Though I agree with the general sentiment about Ayre's transfer failings, is there even any rumor that the club is thinking about ousting him? I fear that his commercial success in the eyes of FSG may outweigh his transfer struggles, if he is even at fault for that in the first place.
 
Whether he's directly at fault or not, the buck stops with him as MD. Even if he hadn't done the main negotiating (tho' reports suggest he did - and who else would it be, in the club's current set-up?), it's his ultimate responsibility to see that it's done right. I've not heard anything to suggest that the powers-that-be are looking to shift him, but we need a FAR better summer transfer window than we've been getting on his watch.
 
If you aren't worried that his previous failings could be foreshadowing the future, then you're just sticking your head in the sand., simple as that.
 
If this is naivety I apologize, but just because he handles the negotiations does that necessarily mean he is completely at fault for missing out on targets? My speculation stems from the fact that this guy obviously is where he is at through merit, and his negotiation skills are evident through his commercial deals. We tend to harp on him for giving low-ball bids, not being able to close-out a transfer, etc. Could these problems stem from a transfer-committee that gives him the numbers to propose? I just find it hard to believe that Ayre is given the freedom to handle these negotiations autonomously. On the contrary I think it might be the transfer committee's valuation of players that gets us in a jam.
 
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