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Henry Winter

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8294751/Henry-Winter-Kenny-Dalglish-loses-Fernando-Torres-but-finds-crown-princes-in-Andy-Carroll-and-Luis-Suarez.html

Henry Winter: Kenny Dalglish loses Fernando Torres but finds crown princes in Andy Carroll and Luis Suárez

The king is dead, long live the crown princes. Fernando Torres out on Manic Monday, Luis Suárez and Andy Carroll in. Liverpool have been down this road before, watching ruefully as a monach of the Anfield glen departed, only for the £3.2 million from Juventus for Ian Rush to be used to handsome effect by Kenny Dalglish in 1987.



Players come. Players go. Clubs survive, often prospering. “After Rushie went, a team came through that many Liverpool fans believe is the most attractive ever,†Dalglish recalled. Indeed. John Barnes, John Aldridge, Peter Beardsley and Ray Houghton were exhilarating that 1987-88 League season, vanquishing teams like QPR in a performance rated by Tom Finney, no less, as the greatest he ever witnessed.

Dalglish also wanted to bring in Ian Snodin with the Rush riches but the Leeds United midfielder chose Everton instead. Each player drafted into Anfield was taught the Liverpool Way, a philosophy Dalglish articulated yesterday when asked about Torres. “Liverpool Football Club is much more important than any one individual,†said the Scot.

Scarcely three weeks into his second reign as Liverpool manager and Dalglish has surely removed his caretaker coat. The next major puff of smoke from Anfield must herald his appointment as permanent manager. The American owners backed his judgment in the transfer market yesterday, trusting a man who has already restored belief to the club.

All the old characteristics were at Melwood yesterday. As kids climbed on wheely bins and car roofs to peer over the training-ground wall, Dalglish was ensconced inside, speaking of the unity of Liverpool FC, emphasising that no human cog, however polished like Torres, was bigger than the Liverpool machine. He talked of the owners’ backing, of the players’ work-rate and of everyone sharing responsibility.

Everyone will look on this as a day of big cheques and minimal loyalty. Deadline Day was also about people, about emotions, about Liverpool continuing to re-find their soul under their greatest player.





Almost all clubs have a heart, but not Chelsea. Torres will find that when he meets his teammates at the Bridge that apart from Lampard, Ancelotti and some back stage staff most of them are thoroughly unpleasant.
But Liverpool have lost their way in recent seasons. It has taken Dalglish to guide them back, drawing on the past, on old Liverpool virtues, to fashion a new future. The way Dalglish enthused about Suárez confirmed both the manager’s excitement and involvement in the Uruguayan’s signing.
Suárez must now build quickly an understanding with Carroll. If anybody knows how to pair up strikers it is Dalglish, the man who partnered Rush and who formed the famous SAS, Sutton and Shearer at Blackburn Rovers.
But £36?million for Carroll? He has one England cap, half a season in the Premier League and a quarter of the finesse of Barcelona’s £34.2?million World Cup winner David Villa. Carroll has a thigh problem, an intellect more Postman Pat than Paxman, and a reputation for nights out on the Toon. As a professional footballer, he is a work in progress and £36?million is an extraordinary sum but, but, but?...
There are times in life when one pays over the odds: for a shirt or a meal to impress a first date, for a house or for a daughter’s wedding.
That’s life. There are times when people like Dalglish, who know football, are right to go with their gut instinct. Carroll is a gamble, unproven year in, year out like Torres, but there’s something about the boy.
There was something in the way he strolled into England training before last year’s France friendly that hinted at a class apart, an aura. Where Ashley Young and Darren Bent seemed inhibited, Carroll flourished. The Geordie looks the most confident, capable striker England have after Wayne Rooney.
So ignore, if possible, the inflated fee. English players are invariably overpriced. But Carroll has a swagger that should make him thrive the higher he climbs. Unlike the £24 million Bent, Carroll contributes even when not scoring. He closes down, he links, he creates, he clears when back for corners.
Dalglish’s one concern should be Carroll the Carouser. Short of moving in with Kevin Nolan’s relatives on Merseyside, Carroll must realise the chance for a new start he has been given. Strangely, Liverpool is even more of a goldfish bowl and rumour city than Newcastle, a smaller conurbation. Carroll must take care.
For all the obsession with value for money, for stats-driven “moneyball†economics, football is about flesh and blood, about players sparking off charismatic managers. Uefa look away; Michel Platini’s desire for financial sanity took a hit yesterday.
Look at Torres. Roman Abramovich sought to balance the books last summer, trimming Ricardo Carvalho, Deco, Michael Ballack and Joe Cole from the wage-bill, but now splashes £50?million on Torres. Chelsea need strengthening elsewhere but Abramovich wanted to shake the dressing room up, to put up a marquee name at Cobham.
How Torres dovetails with Didier Drogba or fits into 4-3-3 remains to be seen. Whatever the fine detail, the big picture illustrates an owner exuding commitment. Abramovich sent a message to players and supporters alike: this oligarch remains hungry for success.
Nobody understands the ambition of Torres better than Dalglish, having himself left Celtic in 1977 in search of European Cup glory. Jock Stein pleaded with Dalglish to stay but the forward was adamant.
Those on the Kop now tempted to vilify Torres should remember how Dalglish enraged Paradise. In fact, when Dalglish returned to Celtic for Stein’s testimonial in 1978, he stepped into a bear-pit. Dalglish emerged first from the tunnel, to a chorus of disapproval. Dalglish noted Phil Thompson and the other Liverpool lads hanging back, laughing as their new colleague was excoriated. “Hey Kenny,†Thompson shouted, “they really love you up here.â€
Chelsea fans will instantly love Torres. Just as the Kop will embrace Suarez and Carroll, the new kings on the block.
 
That article would have been nowhere near as fun if I didnt giggle at El cunt popping up left,right and centre!
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=43966.msg1274065#msg1274065 date=1296556234]
That article would have been nowhere near as fun if I didnt giggle at El cunt popping up left,right and centre!
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I know. I should perhaps turn that off now.
 
One fantastic line in that article that made me laugh - which is the one Henry Winter didn't write obviously!
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=43966.msg1274077#msg1274077 date=1296556518]
One fantastic line in that article that made me laugh - which is the one Henry Winter didn't write obviously!
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Which one ?
 
"Chelsea fans will instantly love El Cunt. The kind of treachery El Cunt has shown will be a perfect fit with the Chelsea fans. Just as the Kop will embrace Suarez and Carroll, the new kings on the block."

Ive always liked Winter, mind you he barley disguises his redness. Liked that article and its true, Chelsea are a right bunch.


Cmon the Pool!
 
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=43966.msg1274084#msg1274084 date=1296556762]
Is Henry a LFC fan? he bloody has that spot on re Chelsea.
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I think he is atlas yeh... at least i remember reading he was i think... either way there have been a few articles from him which have been spot on and positive.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43966.msg1274079#msg1274079 date=1296556656]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=43966.msg1274077#msg1274077 date=1296556518]
One fantastic line in that article that made me laugh - which is the one Henry Winter didn't write obviously!
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Which one ?
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Haha. Ah, I see now.
 
Chelsea:

Another loss, £70.9m, in a year which saw them win the Double and with no compensation payments to a sacked manager.

The amount Abramovich has ploughed into the club since taking over from Ken Bates in 2003 had risen to about £797m – even before the signings of Ramires and Yossi Benayoun and last night’s deals add another £94m in transfer fees alone.

Laughable. They are going to struggle with financial fair play. Small club, with lots of money



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-Fernando-Torres-fires-parting-shot-at-Liverpool-I-ve-always-wanted-to-play-for-one-of-the-top-clubs-in-Europe-and-now-I-am-article687101.html#ixzz1ChfOFl00
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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=43966.msg1274084#msg1274084 date=1296556762]
Is Henry a LFC fan? he bloody has that spot on re Chelsea.
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I believe he is.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43966.msg1274070#msg1274070 date=1296556344]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=43966.msg1274065#msg1274065 date=1296556234]
That article would have been nowhere near as fun if I didnt giggle at El cunt popping up left,right and centre!
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I know. I should perhaps turn that off now.
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Give it a couple of days
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43966.msg1274159#msg1274159 date=1296559912]
Chelsea are charging photographers £250 a go for photo's of the cunt in the shirt
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Got to recoup that £50m somehow
 
I hate the fucker after his little parting comment.

He went above Diouff after that on my hate list.
 
I love that he says that, apart from Fatty and Anchelotti, they're all tossers.

Enjoy !
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43966.msg1274070#msg1274070 date=1296556344]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=43966.msg1274065#msg1274065 date=1296556234]
That article would have been nowhere near as fun if I didnt giggle at El cunt popping up left,right and centre!
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I know. I should perhaps turn that off now.
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I didn't even notice it.
 
[size=14pt]Torres: “I’ve always wanted to play for one of the top clubs in Europe... and now I am!â€[/size]

Published 00:33 01/02/11 By MirrorFootball

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Fernando Torres last night became the most expensive player in British football history.

And the astonishing scale of Roman Abramovich’s ­commitment to Chelsea became even clearer with the Russian personally sanctioning the £50million cash deal that brought Torres from Merseyside to SW6.

Torres said: “I’m really happy. I’m taking a big step forward in my career. It’s a big club with a big mentality, the kind of team I like to play for.

“They are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, always fighting for trophies.

“I’ve always wanted to play for one of the top clubs in Europe and now I am.â€

Hours before the Spain striker finally signed a five-year £150,00-a-week deal, Chelsea also landed their other prime transfer-window target, David Luiz.

Benfica agreed a deal worth up to £21.3million for the Brazil defender (right), who described it as a “dream moveâ€. Chelsea midfielder Nemanja Matic will go the other way.

The Luiz capture on a five-year deal worth £10m underpinned the change of stance from everything the club has been saying for the past two years, the penny – or should that be great big bag of cash – dropping that an ­unbalanced squad was a recipe for underachievement no matter who the manager.

It was signing Torres, though, that really counted in the eyes of celebrating Chelsea fans, the culmination of a personal quest by both owner Abramovich and manager Carlo Ancelotti to land the player both feel can transform the season and demonstrate the club is determined to progress.

Luiz revealed his pal and ­Stamford Bridge midfielder Ramires had convinced him to make the move.

“To play in the Premier League for a club like Chelsea is a dream for any footballer,†he said. “I’ve spoken to Ramires many times and he said I can succeed in England.â€

Yet as events at Anfield, which saw Andy Carroll’s arrival overtake Torres’ ­departure as the story of the final hours of the transfer window were playing out, Chelsea chose a busy day to bury their latest financial news.

Another loss, £70.9m, in a year which saw them win the Double and with no compensation payments to a sacked manager.

The amount Abramovich has ploughed into the club since taking over from Ken Bates in 2003 had risen to about £797m – even before the ­signings of Ramires and Yossi Benayoun and last night’s deals add another £94m in transfer fees alone.

Add wages and the likely losses to pay for Ancelotti’s current squad and ­Abramovich looks set to bust the £1billion barrier by 2013, the year Chelsea were supposed to be breaking even if not making a profit.

Not that Blues fans, or ­Ancelotti’s squad who were last night in the North-East ahead of tonight’s game with Sunderland, care about the bottom line. Not for now.

And for Torres, the move was what he felt he needed, ­irrespective of the stick he is bracing himself for from the travelling fans when he makes his debut for Chelsea against his former club at ­Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

Sources close to the player confirmed it was a relief for him to follow his heart and make the change now, rather than trying to convince himself, in vain, that his broken love affair with Liverpool could be continued.

Torres was said to have suffered over the past five days as the scale of his move became clearer, breaking what was an almost physical bond with the Anfield fans who idolise him and viewed him as one of their own.

But he had ­reconciled himself to the ­backlash and grief, telling himself that those Liverpool fans who were complaining of feeling wounded and let down by his act of ­“desertion†would get over it in a matter of days, while if he had stayed it would have meant another six months of hiding a personal misery.

That hard-luck story will receive short shrift on ­Merseyside. But there is no doubting Abramovich has been at the forefront of his club’s pursuit of the striker, with suggestions of promises that this latest spending is the beginning of a return to the acquisitive Chelsea of 2003 to 2006.

While the official statement about the club believing it is now “well positioned to meet UEFA’s financial fair play rules†was inevitable, Abramovich is playing by his own rules again.

It is a statement of ­determination and intent when it seemed he had been cowed by the arrival on the scene of the Manchester City money-men from the Middle East.

Chelsea have changed the game all over again. And while ­Liverpool’s ­expenditure was eye-opening, the long-term implications of ­Abramovich awakening from his period of slumber will really make an impact.



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Chelsea-Fernando-Torres-fires-parting-shot-at-Liverpool-I-ve-always-wanted-to-play-for-one-of-the-top-clubs-in-Europe-and-now-I-am-article687101.html#ixzz1ChrLAj00
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43966.msg1274168#msg1274168 date=1296560177]
I hate the fucker after his little parting comment.

He went above Diouff after that on my hate list.
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honestly?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43966.msg1274159#msg1274159 date=1296559912]
Chelsea are charging photographers £250 a go for photo's of the cunt in the shirt
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Serioiusly?

What a bunch of cunts.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43966.msg1274176#msg1274176 date=1296560479]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43966.msg1274168#msg1274168 date=1296560177]
I hate the fucker after his little parting comment.

He went above Diouff after that on my hate list.
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honestly?
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Fuck that. Diouf is abhorrent & doesn't deserve to have a nice life, never mind the life of a millionaire with his toyboys. Torres is simply a greedy vacuous treacherous footballer like Owen is. A slick talking businessman whose business is football is all.

Diouf is a whole different level of degenerate cunt.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=43966.msg1274182#msg1274182 date=1296560623]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43966.msg1274159#msg1274159 date=1296559912]
Chelsea are charging photographers £250 a go for photo's of the cunt in the shirt
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Serioiusly?

What a bunch of cunts.
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Well more fool the people who are paying it!! They can take all the photos they want for nothing when he starts playing. As long as he's not injured.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43966.msg1274191#msg1274191 date=1296560760]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43966.msg1274176#msg1274176 date=1296560479]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43966.msg1274168#msg1274168 date=1296560177]
I hate the fucker after his little parting comment.

He went above Diouff after that on my hate list.
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honestly?
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Fuck that. Diouf is abhorrent & doesn't deserve to have a nice life, never mind the life of a millionaire with his toyboys. Torres is simply a greedy vacuous treacherous footballer like Owen is. A slick talking businessman whose business is football is all.

Diouf is a whole different level of degenerate cunt.
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Put like that .....




... it's still a close call 😉
 
Did Diouff ever try twisting the knife?


Torres: “I’ve always wanted to play for one of the top clubs in Europe... and now I am!â€
Published 00:33 01/02/11 By MirrorFootball

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Fernando Torres last night became the most expensive player in British football history.

And the astonishing scale of Roman Abramovich’s ­commitment to Chelsea became even clearer with the Russian personally sanctioning the £50million cash deal that brought Torres from Merseyside to SW6.

Torres said: “I’m really happy. I’m taking a big step forward in my career. It’s a big club with a big mentality, the kind of team I like to play for.

“They are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, always fighting for trophies.

“I’ve always wanted to play for one of the top clubs in Europe and now I am.â€



What he says there the Torres Cunt, if fucking below the belt.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43966.msg1274222#msg1274222 date=1296561646]
I know you guys hate Torres' guts but worse than diouf? do me a favour :🙂
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Diouf was never very good from the start, nobody was really attached to him on or off the pitch, and we were fairly happy at buggering him off for whatever we could get. He's only a minor irritant if anything.

Its very different to being shafted a couple of days before transfer deadline by someone who went to great lengths in every interview to explain his undying love for the club, how appreciative of it he was etc, only to then imply that he never actually considered us as a top club, but more of a stepping stone etc.

You have to care in the first place to hate, and the majority of our fans at certain stages at least of his time here took Torres to their hearts.
 
Yes as someone wrote a few days ago. " We only hate you so much because we loved you so much".

That would be a nice banner for Sunsay.
 
Twist the knife?! I watched from the kop as he celebrated Bolton scoring past us whilst WE PAID HALF HIS WAGES, then taunt the Kop about it!

Twist the knife? He was the fucking knife.

Don't even gt me started on spitting at people constantly, the fucking dog.
 
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