Man Citeh - Liverpool, 1-1 last year ...
The ironic cheer in the 38th minute (Reading)
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Man Citeh - Liverpool, 1-1 last year ...
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Hmmm. It's gone very quiet in here...
I was thinking it might be more to do with the video above that demonstrates the irony of the ironic cheer.
Doesn't look like a foul to me although it's hard to say 100% even from the video footage - not the best angles are they? And the fouls that free kicks and yellow cards should have been given for that weren't given.? Like the one before half time that was blatantly obvious?
I think some fans are trying too hard to come across as the right and the reasonable to actually see that there's a hell of a lot of refereeing decisions we seem to be on the wrong side of and for a bloody long time now. You're not allowed to say that though are you ? Otherwise you're accused of being some form of looney conspiracy theorist by the self righteous I-know-better supporters amongst us. Even though two successive managers have now raised it as an issue with Philip Don. They must, of course, be mental.
The justification in general for such decisions seems to be Suarez dives now and again. And ? I turned the Newcastle and Sunderland game on yesterday and within 10 minutes there were two incidents of simulation, dramatically falling - whatever you want to call it. It happens everywhere. Yes, I know, Suarez does himself no favours. Nor do the press or media. Nor do the officials. Nor do the fans, players and managers of other teams. I can accept that from those parties because they're basically either inept or they have an agenda. It's a shame some of our fans like to perpetuate the image of Suarez as others would like to see it presented though - that I struggle to accept. Some of the shit aimed at Suarez is warranted - of course it is. A hell of a lot is not and it's a shame some of our supporters, those who who continuously seek to accuse others of short sightedness, fail to see those many things that are unwarranted and justify it with a "he does himself no favours". Does Suarez dive ? Yes, yes he does. Is he alone in doing this ? Not a chance. Does he get fouled a lot ? Fucking right he does, he gets lumps kicked out of him every game. Yet you never hear that from the same people who claim foul of their own fans accusing them of failing to be objective. Objectivity has to work both ways. Half the team got assaulted versus Stoke who should have had at least two sent off but no, let's talk about that single Suarez diving incident. That's atrocious that is.
As Mark says the refereeing is shite and inconsistent which is the main issue. Let the anti-Suarez agenda continue though - including that from his own fans. After all, he misses loads of chances, is a clear racist and is clearly more trouble than he's worth. End game is he'll leave and who could blame him ? I won't. I'm looking forward though to a LFC team without Suarez because if you think we're bad now then wait till he's gone because we'll be fucking woeful in attack. If you think we have either the financial capacity or attraction to replace him with anything like a world class player I'd say you're badly mistaken. It's OK though at least we'll maintain our objectivity and oh what a comfort that will be
As for the ironic cheers at the game - I thought it was rather funny myself and you have to remember fans at the match don't have the benefits of replays and it was a nothing more than a humorous reaction to months and months of a lot of wrong decisions not going our way.
And I watched the other game yesterday, QPR v Everton, in which two blatant pens weren't given and Pienaar got unfairly sent off - which is great news for us.
It's just the standard of refereeing. It's toss.
It's fucking woeful. Everton have been on the wrong side of quite a few this year already,.
Sorry I upset you Tom
So refs are anti-scouserites. The cunts.
I cried into my cocoa 😉
Fucking fanatic.
You know that he pinches little children when nobody's looking AND strangles kittens for fun...
I thought Pienaar was very unlucky with the second yellow, however just a minute before that he made a challence that had me saying " only for the fact he's already on a yellow he would have been booked for that".
Personally I don't think it's a foul, but it's difficult to state that with absolute certainty even from the video footage - pretty lousy angles, let's face it. But what about the fouls that warranted free kicks or even bookings, but went unpunished? Such as the one just on half time, that was clear as fucking day?
IMO some supporters are trying so hard to appear as oh-so sweetly reasonable that they actually struggle to see that there genuinely is a long term pattern of refereeing decisions going against us. But of course you can't actually say that, though, can you? Cos then the more sanctimonious among us will say you're some kind of hysterical nutter. This depite the fact our last two managers have identified it as a problem, and spoke with Philip Don about it. They're delusional, obviously.
People seem to think it's fine that Suarez gets nothing from refs because he dives on occasion. Well, what of it? I was watching the Newcastle v Sunderland game yesterday and within 10 minutes there were two clear examples of diving. It's rife within the game. Ok, Suarez doesn't exactly help himself, but nor do the media, nor the officials, nor the fans, players and managers of rival clubs. Now clearly those parties have certain interests, or at least incompetencies, which make their behaviour more understandable. But I find it much harder to stomach that some of our own willingly reinforce this image of Suarez as the arch cheat. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a bit of criticism, far from it. But he gets way more than his fair share and I think it's a bit of a disgrace that some of our fans - those who never tire of accusing others of short sightedness - can't see just how much criticism he suffers or limply justify it with a "he does himself no favours". Does Suarez dive? Absolutely. Do other players? Bet your fucking life they do. Does he get the protection he needs from referees? Not a chance in hell, he gets lumps kicked out of him every game. But do you get that side of the story from those fans who'd accuse others of bias? Objectivity has to work both ways. Half the team got kicked all over the park against Stoke, who who got away with murder, but still some would rather focus on that isloated Suarez diving incident. FFS!
As Mark says, the terrible standard of refereeing is the main problem by far. But let the Suarez hating carry on. I mean, he can't finish for toffee, he's a massive racist, and is no good for the LFC 'brand'. I can't wait for us to flog him, cos if you think we're bad now just wait to see how dangerous we are without him. But hey, at least we'll still be fair-minded, and that's all that matters in football.
Haha. You plagiarising dick Peter.
*Innocent face*
I think the bigger problem is that some people, yourself included, seem to feel the need to pigeonhole people. Why does one fairly innocuous comment lead to numerous assumptions about someone's position on all manner of things? I mean, just take a look at the (straw man) argument you've constructed here. Unless I'm mistaken, this thread is about the ironic cheer. I just happened to mention it wasn't a foul. Cue people like yourself getting on their high horse insinuating that those of us suggesting such a thing are trying to stick the boot in on our own player (out of some ridiculous anti-Suarez agenda), or failing to support the team in some way. Just because I didn't think that particular incident was a foul, it doesn't follow that I think that of all the others as well. You seem to be suggesting that the view that the ref was shit on Saturday and the view that the foul in question was not a foul are in some way incompatible. I think they are perfectly compatible. In fact, they're practically indisputable.
We have been on the wrong end of some bad decisions in recent months. However, Liverpool isn't the first team Stoke have tried to kick off the field this season, and it certainly won't be the last. Just like Suarez isn't the only top striker to get clattered every week. It happened to Torres too, and it happens to other great players, from other teams, every weekend. Defenders know how good they are, so they try anything they can to gain an advantage. Admittedly, we've had a pretty shit rub of the green in terms of decision of late, but the standard of refereeing across the league has been poor. There have been some absolutely shocking refereeing decisions made so far this season, and not just in Liverpool games. Similarly, if I don't choose to scream from the rooftops when Gareth Bale throws himself to the floor yet again, it's not because I don't acknowledge it, or condemn it - it's because I couldn't give a shit about Gareth Bale. He's not a Liverpool player, and his behaviour does not impact on my team. I'm always more inclined to comment on things which affect LFC, things which are under our control. And for the most part, if we've failed to win this season, it's largely been down to missed opportunities, not a conspiracy by the referees to stitch us up.
Rest assured, I'm under absolutely no illusions about how important Suarez is to the team. Again, I don't see how finding some of his antics a little unsavoury, or daring to suggest that he goes down without contact from time to time, automatically means that I don't rate him, or recognize how lucky we are to have him. Nor do I see any evidence on this site of the radical anti-Suarez agenda you're arguing so vehemently against. It all seems like a bit of a storm in a tea cup to me.
Err Del, who have I "pigeonholed"?. Was the post directed specifically at you ? Did I use "yourself included" like you just have? Nope because I was purposely generic - shame you failed to see that.
Firstly, let's not pretend this thread is just about the ironic cheer either. It's about Suarez - a player people continually like to shout about being a diver yet I see little positive that the same posters say about him. Why is that ? So why am I allegedly on a high horse? I'm pointing out those who like come across as being objective are not actually being that as there's never any apparent balance to the argument. I admit Suarez dives. I wish he didn't. Other players diving doesn't excuse that. Neither is there any excuse, in my opinion, for the targeted campaign against Suarez. Nor is it an excuse for people continually failing to see the positives in the lad either. When I see negative posts on him, and without having the power of telepathy and understanding peoples inner thoughts and views on him, - or seeing many positive posts - what other conclusion can one come to ?
Like Gareth Bale diving is with you, I really don't give a fuck who Stoke kick every week. I care about what happens in the game about us. We agree that refereeing is shite, great but I note yet again the word "conspiracy" thrown about. Why can't I discuss the continual poor refereeing without such a word being thrown about? Exactly something I pointed out in my original post. If you can't see that some people display an apparent slant against Suarez then I think you're kidding yourself. It becomes apparent because there are never any counter balance posts of positivity about the lad from the very same posters.
Like you've said, all I really care about is all things LFC - I fully admit it. Doesn't mean I cant see the faults in our players but it does also allow me to see the good things in them too. I see how poor we are. I see a targeted campaign against Suarez all the time and yes it pisses me off when I think our own fans reinforce that without seemingly seeing how much, as a team, we actually need the lad. It's very frustrating. All it will lead to is the inevitable conclusion that he will leave the club and we'll become worse off for it. I actually think there's some posters on here who would be happy with that and no I'm not pigeonholing you in that.
Well I glad someone else spotted that
RT @oilysailor Shots off target in league games this season: Barcelona 30, Luis Suarez 27, Sunderland 26.
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