The Hornet’s nest

[dee]

I know we generally ignore other clubs on this forum but I thought I’d give a shout out to Watford. If you were a fan, you’d be tearing your hair out.

They’ve just sacked Slaven Billic after about 6 months after they sacked the last bloke after 6 months and now employed Chris Wilder (!!!) to try to right the ship for promotion.

The owners haven’t a fucking clue.

 

[binomial]

Blame the PL/EFL for allowing it to happen, pretty sure no other country in Europe goes around sacking managers as often as in England. It’s embarrassing.
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[StevieM]

Bring back Elton John I say!!!

 

[The Nomad]

Blame the PL/EFL for allowing it to happen, pretty sure no other country in Europe goes around sacking managers as often as in England. It’s embarrassing.
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Spain and Italy do it all the time.

 

[Athens]

Spain and Italy do it all the time.

It happens in Greece quite a lot too.

 

[bluebell]

Blame the PL/EFL for allowing it to happen, pretty sure no other country in Europe goes around sacking managers as often as in England. It’s embarrassing.
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Most clubs give their managers time apart from a few exceptions which is why managers enjoy managing in England

 

[binomial]

Most clubs give their managers time apart from a few exceptions which is why managers enjoy managing in England

Depends what you call "giving time", for me it's very much the polar opposite....most don't give their managers time apart from a few.

David Moyes got time at Everton, Wenger got time at Arsenal, Benitez/Rodgers got time with us and now Klopp. O'Neil got time at Villa. Dyche got time at Burnley, and tbf Roy got time at Palace but their last 6 before him barely got a year. Watford already on their 4th manager in 12 months which is a disgrace.

Most managers these days will be lucky to see beyond a year.

 

[Fabio]

Watford in particular are an hilariously poorly run club.

 

[bluebell]

Depends what you call "giving time", for me it's very much the polar opposite....most don't give their managers time apart from a few.

David Moyes got time at Everton, Wenger got time at Arsenal, Benitez/Rodgers got time with us and now Klopp. O'Neil got time at Villa. Dyche got time at Burnley, and tbf Roy got time at Palace but their last 6 before him barely got a year. Watford already on their 4th manager in 12 months which is a disgrace.

Most managers these days will be lucky to see beyond a year.

Arteta, Rogers, Cooper, Moyes at West Ham, Ollie at Man U etc... Watford are owned by Italians so there you go.

 

[binomial]

Arteta, Rogers, Cooper, Moyes at West Ham, Ollie at Man U etc... Watford are owned by Italians so there you go.

What does it matter who they're owned by? Owners of prem clubs are from all over so that's a baseless argument to make....Chelsea were owned by Russian's when they had like 8 managers in 5 years.....Palace are owned by British/Americans when they went through 8 managers in 8 years before Roy settled in.

Moyes at West Ham, ok what happened in his first spell? Sacked in less than a year in charge.

You mention a few other names but like I said most don't give their managers time and I could name 3x more managers to strengthen this point......you better be ready for this seeing as you made me do it..

Rangnick at Utd, Moyes at Utd, Tuchel at Chelsea (Under Todd), Sarri at Chelsea, Hiddink at Chelsea, Rafa at Chelsea, Di Matteo at Chelsea, AVB at Chelsea,
Emery at Arsenal, Lampard at Everton, Rafa at Everton, Silva at Everton, Fat Sam at Everton, Koeman at Everton, AVB at Spurs, Sherwood at Spurs, Nuno Santo at Spurs, Lambert at Wolves, Zenga at Wolves, Saunders at Wolves, Connor at Wolves, Solbakken at Wolves, Marsch at Leeds, Heckingbottom at Leeds, Christiansen at Leeds, Monk at Leeds, Evans at Leeds, Rosler at Leeds, Smith at Norwich, De Boer at Palace, Pulis at Palace, Pardew at Palace, Fat Sam at Palace, Warnock pretty much anywhere he goes.

Do I need to go on?

 

[Hyena]

Rangnick at Utd, Moyes at Utd, Tuchel at Chelsea (Under Todd), Sarri at Chelsea, Hiddink at Chelsea, Rafa at Chelsea, Di Matteo at Chelsea, AVB at Chelsea,
Emery at Arsenal, Lampard at Everton, Rafa at Everton, Silva at Everton, Fat Sam at Everton, Koeman at Everton, AVB at Spurs, Sherwood at Spurs, Nuno Santo at Spurs, Lambert at Wolves, Zenga at Wolves, Saunders at Wolves, Connor at Wolves, Solbakken at Wolves, Marsch at Leeds, Heckingbottom at Leeds, Christiansen at Leeds, Monk at Leeds, Evans at Leeds, Rosler at Leeds, Smith at Norwich, De Boer at Palace, Pulis at Palace, Pardew at Palace, Fat Sam at Palace, Warnock pretty much anywhere he goes.

Do I need to go on?

They were all shit though

(other than the Chelsea ones. That club is mad)

 

[binomial]

They were all shit though

(other than the Chelsea ones. That club is mad)

Right….so what you’re saying is now we should only limit to the top 4 clubs of each league (but not include Chelsea because it doesn’t suit the agenda)

The Prem is embarrassing for manager sackings thats just a fact and something should be done about it, other leagues dont have the money to go around sacking managers every year.

 

[Hyena]

Right….so what you’re saying is now we should only limit to the top 4 clubs of each league (but not include Chelsea because it doesn’t suit the agenda)

The Prem is embarrassing for manager sackings thats just a fact and something should be done about it, other leagues dont have the money to go around sacking managers every year.

Eh I was saying (half in jest) that those were some pretty shitty managers so the sack was justified. Other than Tuchel, Hiddink etc

 

[binomial]

Eh I was saying (half in jest) that those were some pretty shitty managers so the sack was justified. Other than Tuchel, Hiddink etc

So clubs are that well run in the Prem they just hire shitty managers they'll know will end up sacked in <12 months but hey guess what? We'll appoint them anyway. I'd agree that most the British managers around at present are trash but I highly doubt Spurs went to appoint AVB thinking he was trash, same for Palace with FDB, same for Everton with Koeman.

There's not enough high class managers to go round like your Pep's Carlo's Klopp's etc for every club in the Prem to be having 1....not that any of them would take up jobs at Forest Leeds Soton etc but you get the point.

 

[Hyena]

Well it's a free market.

These guys get paid shit loads to manage, and get paid even more when they get fired.

My heart ain't bleeding for any of them. If a club thinks a rotating door policy for managers is a recipe for success, I don't agree but it's their choice.

 

[Woland]

Even the Belgians are at it.

Club Brugge sack Scott Parker after 12 games

 

[Woland]

“Parker (42) was announced as the new head coach of Club Brugge on 31 December last year. The English ex-international previously worked for Fulham and Bournemouth and replaced Carl Hoefkens at the club. In 12 games, the Briton could only win two times.”

Harsh statement lolz

 

[binomial]

What's bizarre is why they sacked the manager before.....the guy who got them to their first ever round of 16 in the CL after cruising through a tough group.

 

[rurikbird]

 

[bluebell]

We should get Kone off Watford, a moneyball player still under 19