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The Grass Isn't Always Greener...RE: Bayern Munich and Pep

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Obviously Pep has won everything around and is a proven champion but do you think Bayern fans are starting to have some second thoughts about running Jupp Heynckes out the door in order to bring in Pep?

From a pure entertainment viewpoint, last year's squad was a much more enjoyable watch from the neutral perspective. I wonder if their supporters are having any second thoughts?

I know Beckenbauer recently popped up with his lovely brand of criticism.


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They reminded me of us last season just passing the ball round in easy areas without doing much.

It was great at Barca as there was Iniesta and Xavi pulling out some unbelievable passes and then slick interplay with Messi. Without players like that, it's just too sterile.

However, it does pay dividends given how easily they won the league.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I've found them pretty hard to watch the last few seasons. Boring really. Messi excepted.
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To be honest, Iniesta has been brilliant many times this year, and Alexis (he hasn't played because of the fee they've paid Neymar) and Pedro have been fantastic too at times. Boring? Hard to watch? I dunno - I think people are just bored with their success and the brutality of it (high possession, millions of short passes etc).
 
Beckenbauer is always talking crap though. Bayern must be one of the toughest places to be a manager with everything that surrounds that club.

3 games to go and the difference is 14 goals scored so far vs last season. If Bayern win the last 3 games they finish 1 point behind last seasons total of 91. Shame for them that Dortmund didnt put up a bigger fight in the league as they've switched off after winning it.
The last games before the title was secured they played some amazing football.
Next year they'll have Lewandowski instead of Mandzukic aswell.
 
am a massive Pep fan. He has revolutionised football with his take on the Barca philosophy - i have never seen a team so dominate its peers like Barca and do so without playing a conventional striker. however, others seem to have adapted to his style of play and now it is looking slightly dated or one dimensional.
 
Bayern really are particularly tedious with all this possession and doing nothing with it. Pass pass pass pass - Robben sliced shot. Pep is trying the system without the right players, or fading players anyway. Ribbery and Robben are in my opinion busted flushes. I would love to have had a go at Bayern this season.
 
We've completely abandoned the pass-pass-pass philosophy, and it has been to BR's great credit that he saw that whilst it was great having massive possession stats it counted for fuck all if we didn't score. Which we didn't very much. I would like us to be able to control the game more at times, but hey, we're top of the league!
 
Think it was a Guardian journalist who made the point on twitter last night that this Bayern side perhaps just isn't quite technical enough to flourish with Guardiola's ultra purist style. There's a clear difference between the one touch ability of players like Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro and Kroos, Schweinsteiger, and Ribery. Not to mention Messi is a much better killer threat than Robben.

I dunno, it could be a bit kneejerk considering how easily they won the Bundesliga and them still having a good chance to win the CL, but I certainly haven't enjoyed watching them the 4 or 5 times I've seen them this season.

My overall feeling wrt Pep is that he's just a bit excessive. Football should be about winning first and entertaining second. I get the impression that entertaining doesn't really much come into it with him; surely it revolves more around some strange high-minded 'principle' than actually trying to thrill the crowd. Personally I much preferred Rijkaard's Barca in terms of the compromise between technical principle, winning, and entertainment.
 
It's weird to watch a passing side with Robben in it. He's immensely talented, but unlike Messi, he doesn't make the players around him better. He's an insane ball hog.
 
redhorizon2 said:
I don't get it. People are complaining that their teams are beating other teams comprehensively?
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There's two schools of thought, football is about winning, and football is about entertainment.

Pep and Mourinho are great at winning, not so much at entertaining.

Obviously winning is the more important, but everyone would like to do both, and if you're not winning, you want at least to be entertained.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
There's two schools of thought, football is about winning, and football is about entertainment.

Pep and Mourinho are great at winning, not so much at entertaining.

Obviously winning is the more important, but everyone would like to do both, and if you're not winning, you want at least to be entertained.
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I see Pep as very much part of the entertainment school - if he was about winning he would be much more direct. In his eyes beauty is about possession and control.
 
red_maradona said:
I see Pep as very much part of the entertainment school - if he was about winning he would be much more direct. In his eyes beauty is about possession and control.
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I think he does it as he thinks it's the most effective way of winning.

For me, a more direct style is way more exciting and therefore entertaining.

But that's all a matter of personal opinion.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
There's two schools of thought, football is about winning, and football is about entertainment.

Pep and Mourinho are great at winning, not so much at entertaining.

Obviously winning is the more important, but everyone would like to do both, and if you're not winning, you want at least to be entertained.
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Pep and Mourinho are in the complete opposite ends of the bracket, not just in playing style but with their philosophy.
Mourinho is 100% about winning at all costs, just look at his numerous games, typified by his and players' antics when they faced Barca.
Guardiola is about overwhelming the opposition in the possession and intricate passing game by simply being better at football (passing, shooting, running, one/two touch football) than whoever his team faces.
 
juniormember said:
Pep and Mourinho are in the complete opposite ends of the bracket, not just in playing style but with their philosophy.
Mourinho is 100% about winning at all costs, just look at his numerous games, typified by his and players' antics when they faced Barca.
Guardiola is about overwhelming the opposition in the possession and intricate passing game by simply being better at football (passing, shooting, running, one/two touch football) than whoever his team faces.
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Agreed.
 
Pep was on a hiding to nothing this season after his predecessor mopped up everything last year. The only way for him to catch a break was to win everything again, but every game 5-0. As that's not happening, some idiots will be unimpressed. Even if they were to be knocked out of the CL in the semi, they'll have still had an amazing season.
 
Were people not raving about Tika Taka football few years ago? Then came along Dortmund with their fast direct attacking play, then people started rave about them.
BM's board may be musing that their dominance will hurt in the long run. They've continuously weakened their nearest rival by pinching their best talents, consequently turning their domestic league to a 1 horse race, which to most international viewers is a turn off.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I think he does it as he thinks it's the most effective way of winning.

For me, a more direct style is way more exciting and therefore entertaining.

But that's all a matter of personal opinion.
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For me it's not just about winning versus entertaining. I don't think Guardiola is about entertaining as such, but he's certainly not a pragmatic win-at-all-costs manager like Mourinho, either. With him it's about serving an ideal of technical purity, an extreme elitism.

It worked and was mostly thrilling at Barcelona, because the players were perfect for it. When it doesn't quite work it can be pretty dull to watch, and it's hard to believe Guardiola is unaware of that.
 
I'm guessing Jupp Heynckes looked something like this after Ronaldo's second goal last night:

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Having watched them quite a lot in the Bundesliga, its a pretty big gap performance wise before they won the laegue and after.
Guardiola has some issues with the team and how they set up, but all in all its been a extremely good season for them.
Will be interesting to see what he does this summer. Lewandowski will be an upgrade on Mandzukic.

I think they missed Thiago against Real aswell.
 
They looked really naive at the back last night leaving themselves so vulnerable against the team with the worlds best players on the break. Football suicide.
 
Imagine if we could win the league with the FA Cup final still to play along with a good run in the CL and have a debate whether its been a good season or not, oh to be in that position one day!
 
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