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The Eye Of The Storm - Craving Serenity

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Or whatever phrase, idiom or metaphor you prefer. There's been a lot of talk about the "heavy metal" football that Klopp prefers, and the relentless intensity of Liverpool at our best is certainly not for the faint-hearted.

But like all the best music, you sometimes need a change of pace. The "quick, quick, slow" or "quiet/ quiet/ LOUD" tempo change that makes the most devastating tunes.

And while the sturm und drang of Liverpool yesterday was intoxicating, it isn't sustainable. We need to find a way, to be brave enough, to do ......nothing. To have periods of the game in which we agree that nothing will happen. At all.

Because despite the metres run and immense workrate, great teams know when that sometimes "nothing" works. A period of calm serenity, in which nothing is offered and nothing taken. The game against Leicester was a great example. When we weren't clanging away and bashing down Leicester in attack, we were equally discordant and loud in defence, making worryingly odd decisions and creating noise and tension when really, none were required.

Of course, as a football fan, I much MUCH prefer the loud, angry, direct and ferocious style that we deliver at our best. But 90 minutes of it isn't going to work every week. Especially if it looks like it isn't going to work FROM THE FIRST MINUTE. All too often under Klopp we have a wonderful result, and the same players run out in the next game and look utterly anaemic. Drained and feeble. Weak. Awful.

I'm not sure if that is a sign of the difficulty of maintaining that intensity week after week, but it's happened so often as to be a concern. But the ability to change the pace and tempo is also about in-game management.

How many watching fans and pundits on Saturday were thinking that Liverpool would need three, or even four? How often have we EVER looked comfortable shutting a game down at 1-0 under Klopp? Never?

And how often do the Champions "manage" games? Eke out the 1-0 wins and scuff an undeserved victory? Squeeze the life out of a fixture? Every single one of them had this ability. And we will never, EVER, win the title until we learn it too. You cannot win a title winning 4-3 and 4-1 every week. Because you can't do that every week. Because sometimes you get a Burnley and lose 2-0. Or a Newcastle. Or a Palace. Or a Watford.

Like Saturday? We were battering them. Incessant. But what happens? We get the Lucas comedy show. Mignolet kicking and flapping away. The raucous invitation for Vardy to score another. Huth's header off the bar. It was a discordant mess for 10 minutes.

And that's what we need. Oil on the troubled waters. The ability to shut down the noise and reduce the revs. This is usually conducted by a certain player. Maybe the captain. As a unit, it is often the defence and keeper. A more zen approach rather than Mignolet's frenetic comedy show.

Matip looks like he's a calming influence, and Milner's experience in there is good too. But one of the reasons I was so keen to see us buy a top quality holding midfielder was that it's a great position from which to dictate tempo. To turn the volume right down and take a few minutes to consolidate and do ...nothing. To be brave enough to inject a bit of serenity into proceedings. A controlled injection of cold blood for a minute or two.

If we can find that player, we will be in much better shape. Maybe he is at the club already. Or we need to buy him. It's a vital part of a team that can be consistently challenging. Because sometimes you need to be able to appreciate and use the silence.
 
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Joe Allen was good at that, last season he'd come on as a sub and have that effect. I guess now we have Wijnaldum who is possibly even better at doing nothing.
 
Joe Allen was good at that, last season he'd come on as a sub and have that effect. I guess now we have Wijnaldum who is possibly even better at doing nothing.

Hmmm, I was thinking a more Xabi Alonso type of "nothing" than a Joe Allen "nothing"

Because with a player like Xabi, doing nothing would be a choice, because it was obvious he was more than capable of doing something, whereas Joe Allen could only really do nothing, so that "change in tempo" was more inevitable, rather than by design or choice.
 
One thing about yesterday that has not happened too often in these banana skin games (I know Leicster are reigning champions, but still) is that we get that comfortable lead. Normally we put ourselves in a chasing-the-match situation were we know we will fail in the end. If we more often can grab that early lead it will force those low compact team to open up, and we finally have some pace to threathen them with.

Had this happened in the Burnley game we would have eaten them big time, but that game started the other way. Imagine Burnley have to Chase instead of putting 10 men in the Box.

I guess, and expect Leicester, to have too much quality in their team to not offer anything when they need a goal. However as you say we showed yesterday that we dont neccessary have the steel in midfield to just kill the game by controlling the midfield. Stewart did well enough, and Can will offer more of that. Still a Xabi clone would suit that game Perfect.
 
Then I think Coutinho could do that, if we quit playing him as a winger.

Interesting tought. Silva did it against United, but when they pushed more forward he was not enough and they had to change things around. So they replaced class and style with more "Power" in Fernando without getting the game were they wanted.
 
Then I think Coutinho could do that, if we quit playing him as a winger.

Possibly, he has the passing range. But he's very naturally offensive, so he'd have to unlearn some of those instincts.

And God forbid this is misconstrued. I am not advocating an attempted return to a Barca-lite tippy-tappy bellend style of play, endlessly "recycling possession" with cunts like Joe Allen passing it sideways for ages. Just the occasional, short period of calm.

It's not even about having possession, always. They can have it, as long as it's obvious they're not doing anything with it.
 
Interesting tought. Silva did it against United, but when they pushed more forward he was not enough and they had to change things around. So they replaced class and style with more "Power" in Fernando without getting the game were they wanted.

Silva is a good shout. At his best he can seem to make a game ebb and flow almost at his own will. Fernandinho was also very very impressive
 
We still miss too many chances, studge should have buried once his chances on the weekend.

The spurs game should have been out of sight.

Hoping this seasons magic pill will be Matip and Lovren as pair at CB for the crosses which still cause us trouble.
 
Hmmm, I was thinking a more Xabi Alonso type of "nothing" than a Joe Allen "nothing"

Because with a player like Xabi, doing nothing would be a choice, because it was obvious he was more than capable of doing something, whereas Joe Allen could only really do nothing, so that "change in tempo" was more inevitable, rather than by design or choice.

Im guessing that is why he wanted Dahoud.
 
I don't think we'll face an easier side all year than that Leicester performance. Champions or not. They were so open and without Kante there to protect the backline they were all over the place and we could quite easily have drew or lost that match. Had Huth's header dropped in, the odds would have been against us.

There are 2 main problems this squad has to overcome if they are to compete at the higher end of the Premier League:

Can they break down teams determined to get a point?
Can the backline and midfield cut out basic mistakes and add an element of control to our play?

Unless they can prove an unequivocal yes to both questions then we struggle to make an impression on the league and will finish between 7th and 4th. We can point to Rodger's year where we simply blew teams away in attack and nearly won the thing as some comfort. Something similar this year would be amazing, so fingers crossed, but our attack's not up to that standard this year.

Relegaton/Midtable managers will have seen us play both Burnley and Leicester and drawn some pretty obvious conclusion on how best to set up against us.
 
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I don't think we'll face an easier side all year than that Leicester performance. Champions or not. They were so open and without Kante there to protect the backline they were all over the place and we could quite easily have drew or lost that match. Had Huth's header dropped in, the odds would have been against us.

There are 2 main problems this squad has to overcome if they are to compete at the higher end of the Premier League:

Can they break down teams determined to get a point?
Can the backline and midfield cut out basic mistakes and add an element of control to our play?

Unless they can prove an unequivocal yes to both questions then we struggle to make an impression on the league and will finish between 7th and 4th. We can point to Rodger's year where we simply blew teams away in attack and nearly won the thing as some comfort. Something similar this year would be amazing, so fingers crossed, but our attack's not up to that standard this year.

And under Klopp we seem even more prone to inexplicably weak, insipid displays, and all of our inconsistent players having a collective "one of those days" without a Suarez or Gerrard to galvanise and/or rescue the situation.

Every single one of those horrible displays - Burnley this season, Seville, Watford, Newcastle, Palace.....we seemed to collectively resign ourselves to a defeat, with a non-plussed Klopp utterly incapable of changing or fixing anything.

Blitzkrieging the (fucking lucky, never again) Champions one week, and capitulating to newly promoted Burnley another is entirely the problem. It's three points out of six, no matter how impressive the win was.
 
This team needs a spine that doesn't get flustered. The other guys can then carry on running about like mad around them.

It's very early days but Matip looks like he could be part of that and then we need a couple more and yeah, definitely at the heart of midfield.
 
This team needs a spine that doesn't get flustered. The other guys can then carry on running about like mad around them.

It's very early days but Matip looks like he could be part of that and then we need a couple more and yeah, definitely at the heart of midfield.

I think a Can on form will help Hendo and Lallana Control the midfield better. And With a front of Firmino, Mane, Studge, Coutinho and even Origi, we will have a spine.
 
It doesn't happen overnight, the belief in the team's ability to keep clean sheets and grind out wins in close games comes with experience of doing just that.

I don't think for a moment that Klopp's "heavy metal" style is about all-out attack - far from it, his gegenpressing is designed to win the ball back and stop the opposition from controlling the game.

We have yet to see his go-to defensive line-up start together, let alone find out how they perform after a dozen or so regular games together.
 
Is it too late to bring Jan Molby out of retirement.. >??

Xabi is the perfect candidate as Brendon mentions, that ship has sailed...
 
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Or whatever phrase, idiom or metaphor you prefer. There's been a lot of talk about the "heavy metal" football that Klopp prefers, and the relentless intensity of Liverpool at our best is certainly not for the faint-hearted.

But like all the best music, you sometimes need a change of pace. The "quick, quick, slow" or "quiet/ quiet/ LOUD" tempo change that makes the most devastating tunes.

And while the sturm und drang of Liverpool yesterday was intoxicating, it isn't sustainable. We need to find a way, to be brave enough, to do ......nothing. To have periods of the game in which we agree that nothing will happen. At all.

Because despite the metres run and immense workrate, great teams know when that sometimes "nothing" works. A period of calm serenity, in which nothing is offered and nothing taken. The game against Leicester was a great example. When we weren't clanging away and bashing down Leicester in attack, we were equally discordant and loud in defence, making worryingly odd decisions and creating noise and tension when really, none were required.

Of course, as a football fan, I much MUCH prefer the loud, angry, direct and ferocious style that we deliver at our best. But 90 minutes of it isn't going to work every week. Especially if it looks like it isn't going to work FROM THE FIRST MINUTE. All too often under Klopp we have a wonderful result, and the same players run out in the next game and look utterly anaemic. Drained and feeble. Weak. Awful.

I'm not sure if that is a sign of the difficulty of maintaining that intensity week after week, but it's happened so often as to be a concern. But the ability to change the pace and tempo is also about in-game management.

How many watching fans and pundits on Saturday were thinking that Liverpool would need three, or even four? How often have we EVER looked comfortable shutting a game down at 1-0 under Klopp? Never?

And how often do the Champions "manage" games? Eke out the 1-0 wins and scuff an undeserved victory? Squeeze the life out of a fixture? Every single one of them had this ability. And we will never, EVER, win the title until we learn it too. You cannot win a title winning 4-3 and 4-1 every week. Because you can't do that every week. Because sometimes you get a Burnley and lose 2-0. Or a Newcastle. Or a Palace. Or a Watford.

Like Saturday? We were battering them. Incessant. But what happens? We get the Lucas comedy show. Mignolet kicking and flapping away. The raucous invitation for Vardy to score another. Huth's header off the bar. It was a discordant mess for 10 minutes.

And that's what we need. Oil on the troubled waters. The ability to shut down the noise and reduce the revs. This is usually conducted by a certain player. Maybe the captain. As a unit, it is often the defence and keeper. A more zen approach rather than Mignolet's frenetic comedy show.

Matip looks like he's a calming influence, and Milner's experience in there is good too. But one of the reasons I was so keen to see us buy a top quality holding midfielder was that it's a great position from which to dictate tempo. To turn the volume right down and take a few minutes to consolidate and do ...nothing. To be brave enough to inject a bit of serenity into proceedings. A controlled injection of cold blood for a minute or two.

If we can find that player, we will be in much better shape. Maybe he is at the club already. Or we need to buy him. It's a vital part of a team that can be consistently challenging. Because sometimes you need to be able to appreciate and use the silence.

Yeah, I said the same thing after the Arsenal game a month ago:

We have got to find a way to manage matches when they're not at 100mph. Cos two things:

  1. You cannot press for 90 minutes of a match. You just can't.
  2. We can only retain possession well when we're trying to score.

That second bit is madness. Our best form of defence and game management being when we're trying to score? Madness. An ordinary Arsenal side scored 3 against us today, and missed a pen. Sevilla ripped us to shite. These are Europe's second tier sides; not your Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern types. Sevilla and Arsenal and we're shipping goals everywhere.

The same glaring gaps from Sevilla exposed again today. Runners from deep coming through midfield, turning the ball over cheaply in midfield (Walcott's goal was Lallana's fault by the way, not Moreno's - Moreno is instructed to make that run forward from that area, Lallana is not instructed to lose the ball there), but the most worrying for me is the same lack of 'sense'. We've got a midfield of reactors - even with Can in there. We're actually trained to react; snap at the opposition when they get it, win it back. It's a sure fire tactic, but it's an acknowledged reactive one. There's no sense of quelling attacks and sniffing out shit, and killing the game from us. We're looking for an opening, as opposed to trying to prevent any from happening.
 
So that's me, you and Slur Alex saying the same thing about our tempo in the last couple of weeks

Not much point in anyone arguing really
 
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