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I'm not sure what part of victorian Britain he still thinks he lives in but this is pretty horrendous:

Dave Whelan has apologised in a Jewish newspaper for recent comments which relied on anti-semitic sterotypes but risked further censure by referring to a Chinese restaurant as 'chingalings'.
The Wigan Athletic owner is currently under investigation by the Football Association for the original comments, in which he was quoted as saying that Jewish people "chase money".
Now, in an interview with the Jewish Telegraph, Whelan has apologised and spoken of his special admiration for Jewish people.
Whelan said: “I apologise profusely to anyone who has taken offence because I would never offend the Jewish community under any circumstances.
“I have nothing but respect for them. They’re hard-working people, they’re honest people. They fight for what they believe in.


“There’s nobody could knock the Jewish community. For them to accuse me of that, it hurts me a lot.
“Never have I made anti-Jewish comments.
“We have always, always respected what the Jewish people did, especially through the war.
“We’ve always respected how those Jewish [people] stood up to every single thing they were put through, torture, horrendous.
“And I have nothing but the highest regard and respect for the Jewish people.”
Whelan's original newspaper interview, the one for which he is under FA investigation, also saw him refer to Chinese people as "chinks". He subsequently told Telegraph Sport he did not consider that to be an offensive term.
In the interview with the Jewish Telegraph, Whelan sought to clarify his position, but risked fresh criticism.
He said: “When I was growing up we used to call the Chinese ‘chingalings’.
“We weren’t being disrespected (sic). We used to say, ‘we’re going to eat in chingalings’."
Whelan stressed he has many Jewish friends. He said: “I wouldn’t like to mention any one of them.
“Please take it I have a lot of Jewish friends.
“I bet there are a dozen who have got apartments in Majorca, where I am.
“And so many Jewish people go to Barbados at Christmas. That’s when I go. I see a lot of them in the Lone Star, in restaurants. I play golf with a few of them.
“I don’t want to mention any particular names because I don’t want to pull their names into it.
“It would be unfair of me because they are good friends. They may object to me putting them in a newspaper or in publicity or whatever.”

He may as well have said 'i'm not anti-semitic but...'

So where is this all gonna end up? He's obviously pretty backwards but doesn't seem to realise he's being a cunt
 
He then burst into song:

I like Chinese, I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please
 
My chingaling, my chingaling, won't you play with my chingaling?
 
MRS WHELAN: Ooh, Dave, it's t'Jews at t'door!
DAVE WHELAN: Smashing! Let 'em in, luv, but let 'em know we'd have given 'em some babka but there's none cut into!
 
gkmacca said:
MRS WHELAN: Ooh, Dave, it's t'Jews at t'door!
DAVE WHELAN: Smashing! Let 'em in, luv, but let 'em know we'd have given 'em some babka but there's none cut into!
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That reminds me of the current weird incarnation of Coronation Street, with its writers' fantasy of some kind of Mancunian Brooklyn, where people yada yada over their pints of bitter before schleppin' down't chippy.
 
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Have you ever heard that truly grotesque 'song' by Peter Wyngarde called 'Rape'? It's on YouTube. He manages, apart from the obvious offence of the title, to offend just about everyone else with his bizarre 'accents' as he ponders different cultures and their approach to rape, including a Marx Brothers style Italian accent and a Benny Hill-style Chinese one. I bet Whelan finds it a real toe tapper.
 
gkmacca said:
Have you ever heard that truly grotesque 'song' by Peter Wyngarde called 'Rape'? It's on YouTube. He manages, apart from the obvious offence of the title, to offend just about everyone else with his bizarre 'accents' as he ponders different cultures and their approach to rape, including a Marx Brothers style Italian accent and a Benny Hill-style Chinese one. I bet Whelan finds it a real toe tapper.
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Or alternatively, just checkout Eminem's latest new racket.
 
He shouldn't be honest, it's getting him into trouble just like Luis Suarez. Shut up Dave. Take note Mario.

Don't refer to other people or peoples, don't attempt humour, don't be yourself. Get a PR firm to coach you.
 
He is a silly 78 year old man who is getting ripped to shreds and who is being used & fooled into selling newspapers, a 78 year old man who can't shut up and is more than likely being wound up into saying something stupid, which is then used as a cane to whip him, the media have their teeth in him now and the F.A. have a crusade target, he's fucked. He hasn't kept up with the PC revolution that happened, perhaps 50 years, after he says he used those 'terms' and he hasn't adapted whether by choice or inability, who know's. We'll have to be wide awake the day someone decides 'Brit' or 'Yank' is too offensive, we'll have to gag millions of old folks on both sides of the pond.
Oh no, now I have demeaned an Ocean, I won't be eligible to own a football club in 50 years. Damn!
 
roadred said:
He is a silly 78 year old man who is getting ripped to shreds and who is being used & fooled into selling newspapers, a 78 year old man who can't shut up and is more than likely being wound up into saying something stupid, which is then used as a cane to whip him, the media have their teeth in him now and the F.A. have a crusade target, he's fucked. He hasn't kept up with the PC revolution that happened, perhaps 50 years, after he says he used those 'terms' and he hasn't adapted whether by choice or inability, who know's. We'll have to be wide awake the day someone decides 'Brit' or 'Yank' is too offensive, we'll have to gag millions of old folks on both sides of the pond.
Oh no, now I have demeaned an Ocean, I won't be eligible to own a football club in 50 years. Damn!
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No one is making him say those things, including FA. He hasn't been found guilty of anything, it's not PC revolution thing. People have realised to stop saying racist shit, call it what you like 🙂
Calling Brit and Yank aren't the same thing, he's said all sorts of offensive shit over the last month and for someone who comes across high and mighty over the last few years commenting on all sorts of issues.
He just loves to talk, he loves the sound of his own voice and remember when Wigan got promoted.
He's an old man living in a world that's moved on, he should just shut the fck up.
 
rubans said:
No one is making him say those things, including FA. He hasn't been found guilty of anything, it's not PC revolution thing. People have realised to stop saying racist shit, call it what you like 🙂
Calling Brit and Yank aren't the same thing, he's said all sorts of offensive shit over the last month and for someone who comes across high and mighty over the last few years commenting on all sorts of issues.
He just loves to talk, he loves the sound of his own voice and remember when Wigan got promoted.
He's an old man living in a world that's moved on, he should just shut the fck up.
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I agree with most of what you say, in fact a lot what of you wrote is in my post. However, although my 'Yank' & 'Brit' reference was a bit tongue in cheek I can also say that in the 1990's at a 'idea sharing' trip to Houston that some our party was heard to reference our hosts as 'Yanks' and if it was heard again then we would be collectively denied access to the site the day after and co-operation would cease. Alternatively I know both English and Scottish nationals who take great offense to being referred to as 'Brits' or British. If sometime in the future 15,30 or 50 years from now for e.g. the SNP succeeds in getting 'Brit' banned from official & public use as reference to people from The United Kingdom, would you stop using the word?
 
roadred said:
I agree with most of what you say, in fact a lot what of you wrote is in my post. However, although my 'Yank' & 'Brit' reference was a bit tongue in cheek I can also say that in the 1990's at a 'idea sharing' trip to Houston that some our party was heard to reference our hosts as 'Yanks' and if it was heard again then we would be collectively denied access to the site the day after and co-operation would cease. Alternatively I know both English and Scottish nationals who take great offense to being referred to as 'Brits' or British. If sometime in the future 15,30 or 50 years from now for e.g. the SNP succeeds in getting 'Brit' banned from official & public use as reference to people from The United Kingdom, would you stop using the word?
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I understand what you are saying but just that argument gets bough up time and again.
It's used to justfy often (not saying you) people calling orientals chinks and all brown people pakis, just think it's completely different.
People have to face the face regardless how they look at it, Britain has moved on for the better for a lot of people.
 
I get your point and will have to leave it there for tonight, enjoy the 4-0 nil win tomorrow, G'night.
 
rubans said:
I understand what you are saying but just that argument gets bough up time and again.
It's used to justfy often (not saying you) people calling orientals chinks and all brown people pakis, just think it's completely different.
People have to face the face regardless how they look at it, Britain has moved on for the better for a lot of people.
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I don't. As someone who's half-Jewish and whose Maltese dad happened to be darker than many mixed-race folk, I had a certain number of silly remarks to deal with when I was younger. I didn't do it by this kind of fashion-driven overreaction and, if I had, it would only have made the situation worse. Whelan is a daft old geezer at the best of times and his comments are widely seen in that light. Overdoing the reaction to them just increases sympathy for him, and gives those who still want to cling to old-fashioned attitudes the comfort of feeling unjustly persecuted. As a kid I mostly just took no notice, and it worked. IMHO that would be a far better and more effective response to this kind of insignificant nonsense today.
 
Judge Jules said:
I don't. As someone who's half-Jewish and whose Maltese dad happened to be darker than many mixed-race folk, I had a certain number of silly remarks to deal with when I was younger. I didn't do it by this kind of fashion-driven overreaction and, if I had, it would only have made the situation worse. Whelan is a daft old geezer at the best of times and his comments are widely seen in that light. Overdoing the reaction to them just increases sympathy for him, and gives those who still want to cling to old-fashioned attitudes the comfort of feeling unjustly persecuted. As a kid I mostly just took no notice, and it worked. IMHO that would be a far better and more effective response to this kind of insignificant nonsense today.
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Exactly, this fierce zeroing in on every word said is ridiculous. You could travel to almost any place on earth and be called something to be offended by e.g gweilo in China, farang in Thailand etc etc. It's not right but it's common and it doesn't always emenate out of the mouth of elderly white men or clumsy black footballers, it's best ignored unless it is obviously hate speech.
 
A big part of the problem comes when people who've never thought much about words suddenly start thinking about them all the time. Then they see problems everywhere - in the derivation, the meaning(s) and the connotations (and always in the reception regardless of the intention). You could imagine, say, Clarke Carlisle getting a Bill Bryson book for Christmas and then going on a frenzied word-banning spree in January (eventually resulting in him banning his own name, as 'Clarke' carries traces of religious and class prejudices and 'Carlisle,' with its roots in a walled city, smacks of exclusivity and intolerance).
 
I think it's the meanness of so much of it that probably irritates the anti-PC brigade. There's so little desire to see the good in people, so little sense of proportion, so little self-awareness.

I think that was my fundamental objection to, say, Hansen being forced to apologise for using 'coloured', when he was clearly trying to be sensitive. It was just mean-spirited and intolerant. Sooner or later that kind of thing leads to a bad place.
 
Judge Jules said:
I don't. As someone who's half-Jewish and whose Maltese dad happened to be darker than many mixed-race folk, I had a certain number of silly remarks to deal with when I was younger. I didn't do it by this kind of fashion-driven overreaction and, if I had, it would only have made the situation worse. Whelan is a daft old geezer at the best of times and his comments are widely seen in that light. Overdoing the reaction to them just increases sympathy for him, and gives those who still want to cling to old-fashioned attitudes the comfort of feeling unjustly persecuted. As a kid I mostly just took no notice, and it worked. IMHO that would be a far better and more effective response to this kind of insignificant nonsense today.
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That's fine, I don't agree either but it's fine not to see things the same.
Just think Whelan is the figure head of the club, and by extension a pillar supposedly of the Wigan community as he is responsible for employing large amount of people.
By his action over the last 2 months, he's kind of coming across as someone who can be offensive (hiring Mackay etc), not sure discriminatory though as it's probably a different matter. He's also kind of gone out of his way since to suck up to the jewish community since but nothing to the Chinese. However it's cool you took no notice but not everyone is the same, other people may take more notice and may find more offensive. In the overall scheme of things, it really wont affect progressive attitude of people in this country but he should really shut the fck up, only emabresing himself and his club really.
 
He didn't say anything offensive if you're reasonable, he said something non-PC. That's a different thing and the new currency. Does anyone think his words were said in hate or meant to abuse?

People make honest and uninformed errors, always will. The 'progressives' risk losing the majority when harmless unschooled individuals are held up to public ridicule.

Meanness is unattractive, tips into bullying and personal ruin. Not good. It'll take a suicide before it lightens up.
 
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