So much for that idea...
'The CL is boring because it's totally dominated by English clubs'
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If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084225#msg1084225 date=1270677730]
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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And IF we had Gerrard and Torres fit all season we would already have 4th place wrapped up.
And IF Arsenal had Van Persie fit all season they'd already have the league won.
And IF Chelsea has Essien, the two Coles etc fit all season....
IF IF IF
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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And IF we had Gerrard and Torres fit all season we would already have 4th place wrapped up.
And IF Arsenal had Van Persie fit all season they'd already have the league won.
And IF Chelsea has Essien, the two Coles etc fit all season....
IF IF IF
He was fit in the first leg
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
and they lost
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084235#msg1084235 date=1270678298]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
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Who cares United are out.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
[/quote]
Who cares United are out.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084235#msg1084235 date=1270678298]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
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Who cares United are out.
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I wasn't bothered really as nothing will stop Barca but its one less thing to worry about this season!
Its going to suck not being in it again for another year >🙁
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084235#msg1084235 date=1270678298]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
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Who cares United are out.
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I wasn't bothered really as nothing will stop Barca but its one less thing to worry about this season!
Its going to suck not being in it again for another year >🙁
Bayern played exceptionally well throughout the 2 legs. Their ball retention was superb, although they did not create as many opportunities as the Scum. Still, if you dont take your chances......
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084235#msg1084235 date=1270678298]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
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He was awful in the first leg, even before the injury he was starting to look like a player that was begining to burn out, the gamble tonight most certainly didnt pay off. Bayern are nothing special but then neither are Utd, Id be amazed if the winner comes from the Munich- Lyon side of the draw
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
[/quote]
He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
[/quote]
He was awful in the first leg, even before the injury he was starting to look like a player that was begining to burn out, the gamble tonight most certainly didnt pay off. Bayern are nothing special but then neither are Utd, Id be amazed if the winner comes from the Munich- Lyon side of the draw
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
Well, luckily Real Madrid spent 200 million pounds so they finally could stop that dominance!
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39711.msg1084594#msg1084594 date=1270728305]
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
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This has been an odd year in the Premiership with all the top four clubs looking weaker than normal (us in particular). I imagine that all four will be stronger next year as will the likes of City.
If you look at the other leagues, there still isn't a set number of clubs that have demonstrated a consistent level of quality over the last few years. La Liga has Barcelona, Real and maybe Valencia going forward if they can get their act together. Serie A has got Inter and to a lesser extent Juve, Roma and Milan, however these three clubs have a lot of strengthening to do before they can start flexing their muscles in Europe once more. Bundesliga? Pah. Bayern aren't that good really and the rest come and go. Ligue 1 sells it's best players year in year out.
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
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This has been an odd year in the Premiership with all the top four clubs looking weaker than normal (us in particular). I imagine that all four will be stronger next year as will the likes of City.
If you look at the other leagues, there still isn't a set number of clubs that have demonstrated a consistent level of quality over the last few years. La Liga has Barcelona, Real and maybe Valencia going forward if they can get their act together. Serie A has got Inter and to a lesser extent Juve, Roma and Milan, however these three clubs have a lot of strengthening to do before they can start flexing their muscles in Europe once more. Bundesliga? Pah. Bayern aren't that good really and the rest come and go. Ligue 1 sells it's best players year in year out.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084235#msg1084235 date=1270678298]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
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Haha.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39711.msg1084230#msg1084230 date=1270677980]
He was fit in the first leg
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He was and was excellant and was great again until that tackle.
Bayern will do well to make the final.
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Haha.
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39711.msg1084594#msg1084594 date=1270728305]
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
[/quote]
This has been an odd year in the Premiership with all the top four clubs looking weaker than normal (us in particular). I imagine that all four will be stronger next year as will the likes of City.
If you look at the other leagues, there still isn't a set number of clubs that have demonstrated a consistent level of quality over the last few years. La Liga has Barcelona, Real and maybe Valencia going forward if they can get their act together. Serie A has got Inter and to a lesser extent Juve, Roma and Milan, however these three clubs have a lot of strengthening to do before they can start flexing their muscles in Europe once more. Bundesliga? Pah. Bayern aren't that good really and the rest come and go. Ligue 1 sells it's best players year in year out.
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And still produce the goods. Suggesting that English clubs plough deeper into red numbers buying expensive what other nations replace with cheaper and still good enough talent?
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39711.msg1084594#msg1084594 date=1270728305]
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
[/quote]
This has been an odd year in the Premiership with all the top four clubs looking weaker than normal (us in particular). I imagine that all four will be stronger next year as will the likes of City.
If you look at the other leagues, there still isn't a set number of clubs that have demonstrated a consistent level of quality over the last few years. La Liga has Barcelona, Real and maybe Valencia going forward if they can get their act together. Serie A has got Inter and to a lesser extent Juve, Roma and Milan, however these three clubs have a lot of strengthening to do before they can start flexing their muscles in Europe once more. Bundesliga? Pah. Bayern aren't that good really and the rest come and go. Ligue 1 sells it's best players year in year out.
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And still produce the goods. Suggesting that English clubs plough deeper into red numbers buying expensive what other nations replace with cheaper and still good enough talent?
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084225#msg1084225 date=1270677730]
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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disagree.... Bayern were the better team.
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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disagree.... Bayern were the better team.
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084225#msg1084225 date=1270677730]
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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disagree.... Bayern were the better team.
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So they were by hundreds of miles in 1999 as well......
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084225#msg1084225 date=1270677730]
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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disagree.... Bayern were the better team.
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So they were by hundreds of miles in 1999 as well......
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[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39711.msg1084623#msg1084623 date=1270731432]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084225#msg1084225 date=1270677730]
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
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disagree.... Bayern were the better team.
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So they were by hundreds of miles in 1999 as well......
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Come to think of it Chelsea were the bette team in 2008 also.... the lucky cheating man fuckers...
Go on the Bayern!!
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39711.msg1084225#msg1084225 date=1270677730]
If Rooney was fit Utd would have won. Thank God he wasn't.
Hopefully Arsenal now can win the league.
[/quote]
disagree.... Bayern were the better team.
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So they were by hundreds of miles in 1999 as well......
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Come to think of it Chelsea were the bette team in 2008 also.... the lucky cheating man fuckers...
Go on the Bayern!!
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=39711.msg1084627#msg1084627 date=1270731760]
Absolute blip.
None of the Prem top 4 have played any where near there potential for various reasons.
Next season, I'd image we'll see 2 English teams in the semi finals.
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Depends.... i dont see at as a blip particularly. Which two clubs? Its very possible but the dominance i feel is over. The problems which caused the English teams to drop out this season were not just bad luck. United definitely weakened with the sale of Ronaldocunt, as did we with the sale of Alonso, neither of us has the financial ability to improve much.
Chelsea would have beaten inter a few years ago, the team has aged and needs freshening and that wil be very expensive. Arsenal were probably unlucky to be missing their best players against an in form Barca but....
Bayern and Inter and Barca all deserved to get through, lyon wouldnt be there if it werent for our season long fuck up but nonetheless wereas in recent seasons the strength and pace and superior fitness of premiership sides was enough to force our ways through deep into the tournament now im not so sure that the rest of Europe hasnt got wise to it and at least caught us up.
In the new tax climate we have here and the debt of the big clubs .... l dont know... last season two of the best players in the league went abroad and I cant really see that being reversed other than by maybe City getting their checkbook out.
(If you were the Sheikh watsisface at city... 150M for messi..... no messing...)
Credit to Bayern, although they are like Barcelona and Real in some ways.... they are more of a national side than a club they are so much bigger than the rest in the bundesliga that they have a hegemony,so even if the bundesliga isnt as lucrative as the premiership they can almost always guarantee league medals and european football and kudos to any prospective player.
Absolute blip.
None of the Prem top 4 have played any where near there potential for various reasons.
Next season, I'd image we'll see 2 English teams in the semi finals.
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Depends.... i dont see at as a blip particularly. Which two clubs? Its very possible but the dominance i feel is over. The problems which caused the English teams to drop out this season were not just bad luck. United definitely weakened with the sale of Ronaldocunt, as did we with the sale of Alonso, neither of us has the financial ability to improve much.
Chelsea would have beaten inter a few years ago, the team has aged and needs freshening and that wil be very expensive. Arsenal were probably unlucky to be missing their best players against an in form Barca but....
Bayern and Inter and Barca all deserved to get through, lyon wouldnt be there if it werent for our season long fuck up but nonetheless wereas in recent seasons the strength and pace and superior fitness of premiership sides was enough to force our ways through deep into the tournament now im not so sure that the rest of Europe hasnt got wise to it and at least caught us up.
In the new tax climate we have here and the debt of the big clubs .... l dont know... last season two of the best players in the league went abroad and I cant really see that being reversed other than by maybe City getting their checkbook out.
(If you were the Sheikh watsisface at city... 150M for messi..... no messing...)
Credit to Bayern, although they are like Barcelona and Real in some ways.... they are more of a national side than a club they are so much bigger than the rest in the bundesliga that they have a hegemony,so even if the bundesliga isnt as lucrative as the premiership they can almost always guarantee league medals and european football and kudos to any prospective player.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39711.msg1084594#msg1084594 date=1270728305]
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
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My guess at this stage is that the Prem's dominance has slipped a bit, but that English clubs will continue to be there or thereabouts. As keni's excellent summary shows, no other league has a sufficient number of sufficiently good teams waiting to move in and take over.
So is this a blip or have English clubs lost their stranglehold on the competition? If so, is that healthier for football or just for Michel Platini's vision of it? And which country will be the next to dominate?
[/quote]
My guess at this stage is that the Prem's dominance has slipped a bit, but that English clubs will continue to be there or thereabouts. As keni's excellent summary shows, no other league has a sufficient number of sufficiently good teams waiting to move in and take over.
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