Surprise surprise - FFP - no clubs to be excluded from next years CL
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"In effect, the first decisions will be announced at the start of May," Platini toldLe Parisien newspaper in an interview published on its website. "But if you are expecting blood and tears, you will be disappointed. There will be some tough things but no exclusions from European competition."
translates as 'if you're spinning your figures we get a slice'
translates as 'if you're spinning your figures we get a slice'
Exclusion from competition or transfer bans should be the only two things that are on the table as punishment. Fining clubs who money is no object to is the most retarded penalty ever and does indeed translate to Uefa getting a cut. Disgraceful.
I didn't want to start a new thread on this, so I'll just put it here - Barca's transfer suspension has been... suspended.
Looks like there will be more than just a fine. Still shit though.
From the Guardian:
"In both cases, a key factor will be whether Uefa's CFCB board has calculated that PSG's deal with the Qatar Tourism Authority and Manchester City's sponsorship deal with Etihad should be discounted under "related party" rules. It is understood that PSG and Manchester City are among the clubs judged to have failed the break-even test and that both are likely to face a combination of financial and sporting sanctions. That will mean not only a fine but restrictions on their squad sizes in Europe next season, most likely via a cap on squad value. Such a ruling would force those clubs in breach to potentially omit some of their more expensive players in favour of homegrown talent."
From the Guardian:
"In both cases, a key factor will be whether Uefa's CFCB board has calculated that PSG's deal with the Qatar Tourism Authority and Manchester City's sponsorship deal with Etihad should be discounted under "related party" rules. It is understood that PSG and Manchester City are among the clubs judged to have failed the break-even test and that both are likely to face a combination of financial and sporting sanctions. That will mean not only a fine but restrictions on their squad sizes in Europe next season, most likely via a cap on squad value. Such a ruling would force those clubs in breach to potentially omit some of their more expensive players in favour of homegrown talent."
As it's UEFA, that's all they have jurisdiction over.
Some interesting comments from Wenger in today's Telegraph.
On UEFA restrictions:
"One of the rules is that normally you should be banned for the excess of the financial amount that is not justified, that is if you are £100million overboard, you should be punished for £100m of your wages bill in the Champions League."
On why UEFA are reluctant to ban teams:
"Because when Uefa sells the rights of the Champions League to a French TV station, it is very difficult to explain to them once they have paid the money that the best club in their country will not play in the competition."
Fairly obvious stuff but good to hear someone say it.
On UEFA restrictions:
"One of the rules is that normally you should be banned for the excess of the financial amount that is not justified, that is if you are £100million overboard, you should be punished for £100m of your wages bill in the Champions League."
On why UEFA are reluctant to ban teams:
"Because when Uefa sells the rights of the Champions League to a French TV station, it is very difficult to explain to them once they have paid the money that the best club in their country will not play in the competition."
Fairly obvious stuff but good to hear someone say it.
A squad restriction?! So they're saying to city 'you can break ffp and have 20x 30mill players in your champs league squad, or, you can comply and have 25x 5mill players' I wonder what they'll go for. A fine is just as farcical, they could fine them 100mill and they'd laugh.
The only punishments I can see working are:
1. Ban
2. Points deduction at the group stage e.g start with -6 points
3. Transfer embargo like they tried to hit barca with. Not sure if this one is legal though
Otherwise there is zero point in doing it. Reduce the squad size lolz so they can still have a starting 11 worth 500mill if they like
The only punishments I can see working are:
1. Ban
2. Points deduction at the group stage e.g start with -6 points
3. Transfer embargo like they tried to hit barca with. Not sure if this one is legal though
Otherwise there is zero point in doing it. Reduce the squad size lolz so they can still have a starting 11 worth 500mill if they like
It's easy to forget what capitalism was like before Marxism came along. Capitalism was brutal, and it didn't exactly provide for the masses. It provided for an elite. Socialism came along and capitalism , and the elites had to kinda behave for about 140 years.
Now, those forces are at play again- without anything holding it back, concentration of capital in the hands of a few, and in the case of FFP and the financial markets and so many other areas, everything gets corrupted if it doesn't make business sense.
It'd be nice to see rules mattered, the game mattered, integrity mattered, and not just business.
Now, those forces are at play again- without anything holding it back, concentration of capital in the hands of a few, and in the case of FFP and the financial markets and so many other areas, everything gets corrupted if it doesn't make business sense.
It'd be nice to see rules mattered, the game mattered, integrity mattered, and not just business.
That's still a poor excuse as to why UEFA started the FFP rules and then chose to ignore them. Fundamentally TV stations are after a story, some form of entertainment. Watching a team lose out because their best players aren't in it can be made into a story. It all depends on how the TV station spins it.
The real reason why UEFA are reluctant to ban teams or impose their restrictions is because they have no backbone.
The thing that polices the police should be a collective conscience, an internal mechanism, where people do right because, well, it serves the general good of the people. You see this in many Northern European countries.
Sadly, it's a rare thing.
UEFA will get fines and income. UEFA will get CL sponsorship from groups like Gazprom that it is supposed to be investigating for dubious sponsorship agreements. But truly, an organization that benefits financially from a current system, will not seriously reform said system.
How ironic that the American system of sporting drafts, and wage caps is more collective focused, and less mercenary than the European model.
And honestly it wasn't going to be any other way once you got the petro dollars involved from the second and third world. When money fights principles, there is only one outcome!
Sadly, it's a rare thing.
UEFA will get fines and income. UEFA will get CL sponsorship from groups like Gazprom that it is supposed to be investigating for dubious sponsorship agreements. But truly, an organization that benefits financially from a current system, will not seriously reform said system.
How ironic that the American system of sporting drafts, and wage caps is more collective focused, and less mercenary than the European model.
And honestly it wasn't going to be any other way once you got the petro dollars involved from the second and third world. When money fights principles, there is only one outcome!
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