Yah Collymore was an unfortunate case ... Not as unfortunate as Robbie n' injuries, but still.
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There's no "just" about it. Being a team player isn't merely some kind of footballing skill which can be worked on, like teaching a left-footer to use his right. It concerns a player's whole approach to the game, which will be far harder to change. Both on the field (e.g.what juniormember rightly says about him above) and off the field (getting the hump at two different clubs because their managers didn't agree with his opinion of himself) Sturridge has given plenty of evidence that there are potential problems in this area with him.
What are you basing this on? He chose to leave City ... He chose to stay at Chelsea this summer instead of coming to us on loan ... He chose to come to us now ... He's wasn't being used because a) Torres got an automatic nod based on price tag, reputation and Roman's influence and b) Drogba was played up front because, well, he was their heart and soul. Sturridge played well last year - 11 goals and 3 assists in basically half a season is fine. If he does that for us in the next half season, we will be ec-fucking-static.
Were you ever abused by a guy named Glen?
What Pete said.
Watching the goals round-up from the weekend it was painfully obvious that teams like United, Chelsea and Arsenal get goals because they get more players into the penalty box, and six yard box in fact, Sturridge will do that for us and we will score more goals, rather than just aimlessly making 20 crosses a match into one man marked by five.
Pity he has 18 months left. What strikers aren't inherently selfish?
Yes dead right le tAllec. You tell those Chelsea fans 🙂
He chose to leave City rather than work for his place when he - a teenager - thought he wasn't getting enough games, despite the fact that he was up against big money stars. At Chelsea he's been played in a position he doesn't like, and he's mithered on about that too (incidentally Sturridge was there long before Torres arrived). Check back and you'll see (a) I've never disputed that he's got talent and (b) I've said I'll support him if he comes to us, BUT the idea that he's getting unfair stick for his attitude in the past is hooey.
Hughes bought 5-6 strikers when he was there, leaving City was something he had to do imho.
Chelsea played Drogba, then Torres. I would moan a bit about not getting a start in my favoured role when the other striker had 2 goals in 20 odd games. Sturridge has 1 goal in every 2.2 games or something.
I think the attitude issue is blown out of proportion, and I also like the fact that most Chelsea fans hate losing him because of his ability.
Chelsea played Drogba, then Torres. I would moan a bit about not getting a start in my favoured role when the other striker had 2 goals in 20 odd games. Sturridge has 1 goal in every 2.2 games or something.
I think the attitude issue is blown out of proportion, and I also like the fact that most Chelsea fans hate losing him because of his ability.
The reasons for leaving City are many - some say it was money, some say it was playing time etc. Do you really fault him for leaving to go to a team where he thought he'd play more? Is that really a bad thing? Matter of fact, he started more games in half a season with Chelsea than he did for a whole year at City. He made a decision which he thought was best for him. What's the problem? I don't really see the 'attitude' issue here.
I think he made a comment that he preferred to play centrally. Again, what's the problem? Quite a few of our players have done this in the past too. Attitude problem? Or plain honesty? He feels he can contribute more in the middle - he has every right to his opinion, but that didn't stop him performing at a good level in the right wing forward for AVB. He can want what he wants. He can say whatever he wants to say too. When it comes down to it, he's coming here knowing he'll play second fiddle to Suarez and most likely not in his 'favored' position most of the time. Seems like a player who wants a manager who'll give him a shot (unlike DiMatteo & Rafa did/have done).
You've rightfully backed our best player non-stop despite the non-stop stick his received on this site for what he's 'done' ... I don't see why Sturridge needs to get slammed for this 'attitude problem,' when we really don't have anyone (bar fans) mentioning it ... Never heard one player, or manager, complain about him etc ... And as for the '1.5 million payoff from Chelsea' article yesterday? Good on him - no issue with screwing that team over.
I don't blame the guy for being dissatisfied in either case, but I don't think he reacted in a professional manner, and to me there's more than a hint of wishful thinking in this "out of proportion" argument. Incidentally there have been plenty of ex-pros expressing similar misgivings in the media over here. There's no question he's good enough for us. I just hope you're right about the rest.
How did he act unprofessionally at City? By not signing a contract? By leaving? I just don't see what he did wrong. At Chelsea, yes I agree - he shouldn't have spoken to the press (I think this is his 'crime', right?). That stuff must be kept behind closed doors - so yes, unprofessional and unnecessary. I don't know if that's his 'attitude' or pure frustration etc. I will give him the benefit of the doubt if he signs here - because he is a talented kid, and I hope he can take his game (all facets) to the next level with us.
As for the bold part - who are you talking about in particular?
A player whose opinion of himself as a teenager is so high that he leaves a club - any club, let alone one with established stars also on the books - because he doesn't think he should have to earn his place is a player whose attitude worries me. Confidence is one thing (and a very necessary thing) but being THAT far up your own @rse is another.
Ex-pros whom I've either heard or seen in print pointing out the risk involved in this transfer (for the same reasons as mine) include Alvin Martin, John Aldridge and Ray Houghton.
Ex-pros whom I've either heard or seen in print pointing out the risk involved in this transfer (for the same reasons as mine) include Alvin Martin, John Aldridge and Ray Houghton.
He burst on the scene like sterling for city, who then offered £30k a week, he thought he was worth more, considering he had played a handful of games, and then signed for Chelsea for double that.
A chelsea team that consisted of world class players, many commented it was a bonkers at the time and money motivated move.
A chelsea team that consisted of world class players, many commented it was a bonkers at the time and money motivated move.
Then you should be really worried about tom ince then because he left us under the same circumstances. To be honest i don't blame anyone for leaving if its because they want to play more football. In fact i'd more admire them for that then just sticking at a club doing nothing but picking up a wage packet. Sturridge wanted more footballl so left. Same again now, he wants to play. He could stay at chelsea and could have signed a new contract which is more money than he'll be on to come here. But he hasn't as he wants to play football. That i don't have a problem with. My problem with his is all round game.
I do share those concerns about Tom Ince too, though as with Sturridge I'll get behind him if he does sign.
Well yeah i'll get behind them both if they come, but i can't say i'm excited by either one. In fact i'd rather they both didn't as they both need a lot of work on their all round game.
All that happened in the past though. He's now 23 and hopefully a more grown up lad that wants to succeed. Like taking a wage cut to sign for us (if true)
I think Rodgers is a manager that will suit him well.
He's got pace, goals, skill and a bit of arrogance and confidence about him.
Think he'll do very well for us and hopefully he'll show his potential to the Anfield crowd.
I think Rodgers is a manager that will suit him well.
He's got pace, goals, skill and a bit of arrogance and confidence about him.
Think he'll do very well for us and hopefully he'll show his potential to the Anfield crowd.
20+ games in his first full season isn't really 'a handful of games' ... He did what today's players do (the dominant majority at least). I am fairly sure most of the site would have done the same, and yet we are acting as if should have re-signed with a City team that was signing Bellers, Jo, Roque Santa Cruz, Adebayor etc etc ... He wanted more money and opportunities - Chelsea gave him both. Don't see much wrong with that, besides playing for Chavski obviously!
He made 20+ appearances in his first two seasons there (not to mention the Bolton loan) and 40+ last season. So while I also do believe the move was partially money motivated, the games played stat kinda ruins the idea that he wasn't going to compete for playing time ...
Odd considering he went to 'earn his place' at Chelsea and did a fairly good job for a teenager.
Does anyone know if any bad words were said about him by Ancelotti? AVB?
different views compared to the last chelsea forum http://www.theshedend.com/topic/21466-sturridge-transfer/page-15
While I'd be less liberal than you in the matter of age, I can understand the principle in general. I'm really not sure we can afford (in every sense) such indulgence for a major signing though.
So we finance a third of Falcao for them... Glad we have the resources to compete with anyone.
I concur! If we weren't paying for a very good player, they wouldn't be able to buy Falcao!
Do you have a link to any of these sources? I've yet to see any proof of his bad attitude. Lots of people say he has one, but it would be great if we could see some evidence of it.
Nah, Chelsea did that.
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