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I would have thought it's defending this season rather than this game.
We are utter wank. Can't defend for toffee, can't score if Suarez doesnt score, can't pass and can't hold the ball. Stoke gave us a lesson in pressing high up the pitch and Jones tore our cbs a new one. Utter shite.
We weren't a top 4 team when Rafa left us - he destroyed that spine. Roy wasn't given a chance to fix it (blame H&G), Kenny was and failed miserably, and I don't think Rodgers has been given remotely enough time to fix it either.
As for Lucas, Ryan will kill you for this ...
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This tree needs a shaking.
Imo we'd be better off selling Lucas, Skrtel, Downing, Henderson and Cole (if possible) and add players like Wanyama, Eriksen, Okore (play Coates from Jan along Agger), Sturridge and Ince.
Use 2nd half of the Season to make the team gel. Add one or two star players come Summer and we'd go for top 4 come Season next. To many passengers and too little true class.
Frustrating times.
Imo we'd be better off selling Lucas, Skrtel, Downing, Henderson and Cole (if possible) and add players like Wanyama, Eriksen, Okore (play Coates from Jan along Agger), Sturridge and Ince.
Use 2nd half of the Season to make the team gel. Add one or two star players come Summer and we'd go for top 4 come Season next. To many passengers and too little true class.
Frustrating times.
Agger and Skrtel has only been first choice as a partnership for one season. Before that it was Carra and one other. Last season they look like they could be decent but this season they've been poor. The manager is to blame for this as well the players themselves.
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Yeah, I meant until Rafa's last year.
I frankly don't know what to make of Rodgers. I haven't the faintest idea yet of what he's trying to do. Maybe he will come good - I'm prepared to give him time, but I'm sort of clueless about his ideas at the moment.
No doubt that the knives will be out for Rodgers, but we concede 3 goals from basic mistakes yet again.
Skrtel slips, Johnson doesnt understand how stand next to the near post and Agger cant mark his man on a corner to save his life.
Thats what killed us today.
But we also lack the neccessary passion and effort to handle Stoke.
To many players went missing again.
Reina, Shelvey, Agger, Johnson, Hendo, Cole were horrendous.
Skrtel slips, Johnson doesnt understand how stand next to the near post and Agger cant mark his man on a corner to save his life.
Thats what killed us today.
But we also lack the neccessary passion and effort to handle Stoke.
To many players went missing again.
Reina, Shelvey, Agger, Johnson, Hendo, Cole were horrendous.
I would actively sell or accept a decent offer for all of our squad bar Suarez, Sterling and Gerrard if the money could be reinvested adequately and competently. I would only keep Gerrard because I'm a sentimental fucker, too.
He's trying to turn Liverpool into Barcelona. He'd have as much chance turning Tranmere into them.
Isn't anybody concerned that while we give BR time, ouronly world class player (LS) will get fed up of shite football and move to one of the moneybags?
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Yah, I'm also a bit unsure of what he's trying to do. Perhaps we lost too many veterans to really do something this year - part of the necessary salary purge, which will undoubtedly continue in January & the summer. We need a few proper leaders in the team - I like Kris's idea of Wanyama.
Cole played what, 9 minutes?
The issue for me Mish is that he is trying to shoehorn players into his system. His system is reliant on a number nine which he's more or less admitted he's looking for, it's also reliant on two strong players sitting in the middle - which we don't have. So the issue for me is that he's not able to adapt his philosophy in the meantime. He's shown a capacity to do it within games, but it always comes down to the same thing, starting with our current crop within his favoured system rarely works because they're not good enough or equipped enough to carry it off.
The defense has been over protected for the best part of a decade and now it's being exposed they're all over the place, we lack dominance, we lack leadership and we have nothing resembling a spine. That's not Rodgers fault, not entirely anyway, but he needs to go someway to rectifying that, or he needs to start earning his dough and adjusting his thinking.
Don't think he will this year, or next. If there's no improvement, and players to match his talent in the next two windows, I think he'll rightfully move on. I don't think anyone would begrudge him - hopefully away from England though.
don't normally post on here, just feel the overwhelming urge to vent after watching the game tonight...
Shelvey- a complete waste of space, and out of his depth- championship player at best
Tactics- was almost as if we didn't realise we were playing stoke; our corners defending was atrocious and the substitutions didn't seem logical.
For the first time this season i actually feel really despondent and am starting to doubt the Rodgers "vision". Someone cheer me up?
Shelvey- a complete waste of space, and out of his depth- championship player at best
Tactics- was almost as if we didn't realise we were playing stoke; our corners defending was atrocious and the substitutions didn't seem logical.
For the first time this season i actually feel really despondent and am starting to doubt the Rodgers "vision". Someone cheer me up?
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Agger was horrendous today Mark. Skrtel not much better though.
Its an opinion based on what our players bring to the table. Skrtel and Agger are actually pretty similiar types one needs to go. Both loose vital headers too often for one. Id sell Skrtel as we could yet fetch a decent fee. Same with Lucas. Easy replaceable despite the odd great game.
in a word- Mascherano!
I just don't accept this utter blind spot Kris, what's so great that he brings to the table? Dominance? Nope. Like his run today that he goes on once every game, no one goes near him and he carries the ball 30 yards, drops his shoulder past a player and passes to no one. They're all average mate, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Enrique. When asked to go backs against the wall, as a unit they're awful and individually they're too error prone. There's no shape to them, no real steel within there and no one willing to grab the game and the opposition forwards by the scruff of the neck. With the right addition or two a couple of them may flourish with that added protection, but right now it much of a muchness. None of them are good enough.
Our chance to make £20m+ on Agger has gone.
Agger and Skrtel really aren't that accomplished as CB's - neither dominate, organize or control and U don't hold out much hope for Coates if he can't get selected ahead of either of them.
We have a dysfunctional defense, a malfunctioning midfield and a non-functioning forward line.
Individually we have capable players in most positions, but collectively we're shit. It's not all down to Rodgers, ground zero for the malaise that has set in goes back to Rafa's final year when players started to give up.
Too many cunts on big fat contracts with little desire or passion.
It's almost enough to make you think Torres made the right decision when he jumped ship - why anyone would want to play in a team filled with such a useless bunch of cunts is beyond me.
Agger and Skrtel really aren't that accomplished as CB's - neither dominate, organize or control and U don't hold out much hope for Coates if he can't get selected ahead of either of them.
We have a dysfunctional defense, a malfunctioning midfield and a non-functioning forward line.
Individually we have capable players in most positions, but collectively we're shit. It's not all down to Rodgers, ground zero for the malaise that has set in goes back to Rafa's final year when players started to give up.
Too many cunts on big fat contracts with little desire or passion.
It's almost enough to make you think Torres made the right decision when he jumped ship - why anyone would want to play in a team filled with such a useless bunch of cunts is beyond me.
That was more unforced errors than any other game this season, and one of our worst ever displays. We started off playing like we used to with Owen or Torres, with lots of long balls, and nothing like Brendan's supposed play style. Our cowardly players, with the exception of one or two familiar faces, notably Suarez, were not that bothered about competing with Stoke for any loose balls, and then we just gifted ball after simple ball. We struggled to string together 3 passes in a row for long sections of time.
It wasn't entirely unexpected that we lost, but that was disgraceful, and to echo what has been said before, our midfield is diabolical. We are playing over and around it more than we play through it, because it's as useless as ever against any mediocre or good team.
It wasn't entirely unexpected that we lost, but that was disgraceful, and to echo what has been said before, our midfield is diabolical. We are playing over and around it more than we play through it, because it's as useless as ever against any mediocre or good team.
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Agree with a lot of that I do Mark.
Skrtel and Agger doesnt compliment eachother that well same goes with Lucas when looked at in that equation.
We need a powerhouse defender that'll command the air. None of those players do that very well and we are easily exposed in a game like today. And many a Stoke-game before that.
A big strong DM type would ease the pressure on the back line and so would a commanding CB. Id personally play Coates and Agger come QPR and hope for better balance. Some may call for a Skrtel/coates pairing instead, fair play, not what Id do though.
Id sell Lucas if we could +10M and go all in for a powerfull DM come Jan. Sell a few more to raise cash for a big talent or two as well.
Skrtel and Agger doesnt compliment eachother that well same goes with Lucas when looked at in that equation.
We need a powerhouse defender that'll command the air. None of those players do that very well and we are easily exposed in a game like today. And many a Stoke-game before that.
A big strong DM type would ease the pressure on the back line and so would a commanding CB. Id personally play Coates and Agger come QPR and hope for better balance. Some may call for a Skrtel/coates pairing instead, fair play, not what Id do though.
Id sell Lucas if we could +10M and go all in for a powerfull DM come Jan. Sell a few more to raise cash for a big talent or two as well.
Good shout with m'vila - he'd come fairly cheap as he's a proper nutter. But maybe that's what we need - someone to start dominating our middle. No chance we'll sign him though - supposedly, our middle is strong.
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We are so weak in the middle it beggars belief. Could work in Spain though.
How about that Naingolan (sp) fella? I'm bringing him up based solely on football manager.
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