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State of the Midfield

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rurikbird

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After the summer much has been made about Klopp's perceived failure to strengthen the midfield. Borussia Monchengladbach refused to sell Dahoud, the long-running interest in Zielinski never materialized and we also didn't make moves for Roma's Paredes and Inter's Medel after scouting both players extensively. Now it looks like Dahoud might be available in January or next summer, given that the current Gladbach boss doesn't seem to trust him (Man City and Juve are also said to be interested). However, things have changed at LFC as well since the summer and maybe we need to reassess whether we really have space for another midfielder. Let's take a look at what we have:

First team:
  • Jordan Henderson, 26 – club captain, described as a "complete midfielder" by Xabi Alonso a few days ago. He has surprised even his fans (like myself) by slotting in seamlessly in the DM/DLP position, keeping Emre Can out of the team. Leads the league in successful passes.
  • Emre Can, 22 – rejuvenated under Klopp and made the DM position his own last season. Still has some shortcomings and inconsistency to iron out of his game, but his potential is very high both in terms of his physicality, technique and character. May need to reinvent himself as a more attack-minded player if Henderson stays at DM.
  • Georginio Wijnaldum, 25 – arrived as a jack-of-all-trades, but so far settled in midfield and is steadily winning over the fans with his quiet, but highly efficient work at making the passing play tick. Versatile and tactically astute enough to play either in midfield 2 or 3. There could be more to come from him in an attacking sense once he settles in.
  • Adam Lallana, 28 – made the transition from the wing to an attacking CM this season, which seems to suit him very well. Where Wijnaldum adds intelligence and control, Lallana adds energy and thrust – and now goals as well.
On the fringes:
  • James Milner, 30 – our best assists man last season, now successfully reinvented himself as a left-back. Will he go back into midfield if we buy a specialist LB next summer? I wouldn't bet against it; he might not start all the games, but Klopp has always valued having an experienced midfielder around.
  • Kevin Stewart, 23 – Klopp described him as "the best challenger in the squad" on Tuesday, by which I guess he meant the best tackler or best at winning 50/50 duels. Seems like he will be valuable squad member in this narrow role of a defensive midfield specialist, essentially replacing Lucas who is now mainly a CB.
  • Marco Grujic, 20 – too early to say if he's going to be more of a DM or a box-to-box player, but he is clearly an exciting talent for the future
Youngsters:
  • Ejaria, 18
  • Brannagan, 20
  • Chirivella, 19
  • Alexander-Arnold, 18
  • Allan (on loan at Hertha), 19
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So to summarize, assuming Milner doesn't stay at LB forever, we now have 6 or 7 midfielders who can be roughly described as "senior" or "first team", 3 of whom can play as the "anchor" of the midfield (Hendo, Can and Stewart) and up to 6 (including the aforementioned Hendo and Can and also Grujic) can play in the more attacking CM positions. Right below that, there are 4 or 5 youngsters who all seem to have a bright future and will be increasingly pushing for their chances. That's quite a crowded field, isn't it? So do we need another midfielder?

Dahoud is turning 21 in January, which is just a year or two ahead of the crop of promising young players we have coming from the reserves – however he does have an advantage of establishing himself as a first-team player in a pretty strong team last season. His playing style is somewhere between Henderson and Wijnaldum – he covers a lot of ground, connects the play with simple short passes, has a good eye for assists and as a bonus has an excellent long-range shot and also a cat-like first touch. Still at 21 I wouldn't expect him to break into our first team right away.

Same goes for Paredes who is more of an anchor/playmaker type and has made 4 league starts so far for Roma (a bit hard to break through Strootman and De Rossi). Gary Medel has been starting all games for Inter, until he got a 3-game suspension for hitting someone with an elbow. Another potential target – @KayAgeEl's teenage dream Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg has actually started pretty well at Southampton, so if we want to drink from the same well again, he would be another decent option. Or we can just stick with what we have – after all bar Milner all our midfielders are pretty young and should get better as they mature. What do you guys think, is buying a midfielder a priority any more?
 
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  1. Grujic is not a DM
  2. Stewart is still behind Lucas at DM. Case in point, who did Klopp sub on against W.Brom and why is Klavan also on the bench?
  3. Still not sure about our midfield trio when Can isn't playing. Lallana has been great but I'm talking balance. Would like to see us try Can-Wijnaldum-Hendo.
 
  1. Grujic is not a DM
  2. Stewart is still behind Lucas at DM. Case in point, who did Klopp sub on against W.Brom and why is Klavan also on the bench?
  3. Still not sure about our midfield trio when Can isn't playing. Lallana has been great but I'm talking balance. Would like to see us try Can-Wijnaldum-Hendo.

I think the issue with 3. is that Can would slow the play through the centre. Part of the reason that the Henderson-Lallana-Wijnaldum trio has been so effective (in my opinion) is the speed that they recycle the ball at. It's clear that Can isn't quite back up to speed yet, but he also wasn't exactly a one touch pass master when he was.

I really like Can, but there's still a lot of work to be done there.
 
I think the issue with 3. is that Can would slow the play through the centre. Part of the reason that the Henderson-Lallana-Wijnaldum trio has been so effective (in my opinion) is the speed that they recycle the ball at. It's clear that Can isn't quite back up to speed yet, but he also wasn't exactly a one touch pass master when he was.

I really like Can, but there's still a lot of work to be done there.
Think he did well against West Brom and it's basically his second game this season. He was immense at times last season.
 
We have only played about 10 games this season and you already looking to next season.

Well, this equally concerns the January transfer window, although it's less likely we can strengthen there. And just an opportunity to assess the state of our midfield currently. Actually I'm going to change the thread title, because the current one is a bit misleading.
 
Think he did well against West Brom and it's basically his second game this season. He was immense at times last season.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Can and think/hope he can go on to be a real suave marrfackker. But I would be wary of dropping him in and disrupting the groove that H-L-W have got going on, those cats are singing the same song right now, ya dig?

For what it's worth, I see Can in Wijnaldum's position long term and not as a defensive midfielder.
 
I think Milner will stay where he is, as a left back.
Gruijc will get more and more game time as a box to box midfielder I reckon.
Lucas is done after this season.
Stewart might have gotten praised by Klopp but there are big questions about if he's good enough to stay with the squad. Would be a good thing if he developed further obviously.

I wonder where Klopp sees Can playing in the future if Hendo continues to play at this level. That might change our views about what type of midfielder we go for.
 
if we had got Dahoud in the Summer he'd be a starter. Henderson has been a major surprise but in all likelihood Dahoud is better (according to his reputation and how highly he is rated) that is defensively, incisive passing and controlling a game. That said you wouldn't want to move Henderson out considering how well the team is playing.

I don't see Lallana as a midfielder per se, he's a #10 or tip of the diamond (same thing perhaps). Lucas is done in midfield (still playing great as a CB though) and maybe Stewart will have to take a big step forward to become a dominant midfielder in a title winning team (and this is what we are targeting right). As for Grujic and the other youngsters it's far too early to say / count chickens and anyway most of them listed aren't central defensive-minded midfielders, apart from Ejaria and he has plenty of time.

So that means effectively we have 3 senior midfielders for 2 positions (4 for 2 if we decide to disrupt LB and include Millie). That's not enough so if Dahoud is available in either January or next Summer we should be all over him (I'm sure Klopp is very keen and, if Dahoud has been paying attention, he should be too).
 
I asked the question re. Dahoud elsewhere and these are the replies I received :

BM Supporter :
In short: Xhaka's gone. They had to adapt to this situation, and since Stindl, who's running the show in their offensive midfield, already isn't the greatest in terms of defensive contribution, changes in personell were required.
Playing both Dahoud and Stindl would leave BMG's midfield wide open, so Strobl was installed to play alongside Kramer, whose presence isn't as massive as Xhaka's.
Can't say if there other factors playing into this, but the decision per se can be fully justified from a purely sportive POV. Stindl is great for them, and the Kramer/Strobl pairing provides defensive stability.

Dortmund Supporter :
He is very similar to Gündogan in that regard as he shines the most when he has a defensively very competent partner either next to or behind him.
 
I asked the question re. Dahoud elsewhere and these are the replies I received :

BM Supporter :
In short: Xhaka's gone. They had to adapt to this situation, and since Stindl, who's running the show in their offensive midfield, already isn't the greatest in terms of defensive contribution, changes in personell were required.
Playing both Dahoud and Stindl would leave BMG's midfield wide open, so Strobl was installed to play alongside Kramer, whose presence isn't as massive as Xhaka's.
Can't say if there other factors playing into this, but the decision per se can be fully justified from a purely sportive POV. Stindl is great for them, and the Kramer/Strobl pairing provides defensive stability.

Dortmund Supporter :
He is very similar to Gündogan in that regard as he shines the most when he has a defensively very competent partner either next to or behind him.

Yeah, this is what I suspected too – Dahoud is been sacrificed in a tactical reshuffle essentially to accommodate Stindl. Which seems a bit daft at first, because even though Stindl is a club captain and a good servant of the club, he is not so talented as a player – in my opinion much less talented than Dahoud. However it might ultimately make sense from Gladbach's point of view – they know Dahoud will be sold sooner or later, but Stindl is someone they can build the team around.
 
We won't retain our title next year if we don't plan ahead! 😛
Well, this equally concerns the January transfer window, although it's less likely we can strengthen there. And just an opportunity to assess the state of our midfield currently. Actually I'm going to change the thread title, because the current one is a bit misleading.

If we get champions league, it's going to be the game changer. Sane was heavily linked to us, until we lost to Seville. Kinda excited about the next few transfer windows because we should get some real quality in.

Only concern, is the clubs wage structure could hold us back.
 
By the way, according to the OPTA stats, Hendo leads the league not only in successful passes, but also in distance covered:
It's official! Liverpool captain Jordan Henderson is the Premier League's hardest working player
The Reds skipper outruns everyone else in the division to come out on top ahead of the likes of N'Golo Kante. The stats have tallied up the distance covered across all games so far this season using tracking data to conclude that Henderson has run the furthest.
Henderson, who skippered England in the 0-0 draw with Slovenia earlier this month, has allied his consistently hard-working displays with a wide- range of passing, and athleticism to become a key member of a Reds side that has surged towards the top of the Premier League this term.
Manager Jurgen Klopp stressed that Henderson was to be converted to a slightly more defensive role this term alongside Gini Wijnladum, and the Liverpool captain has repaid his manager with a series of impressive performances in the engine room. Henderson has outrun them all in the top flight

“I have learned a lot in a very short space of time,” Henderson said of the 'No 6' role earlier this season.
“I have played as the No 6 or the deep-lying midfielder and I feel as time has gone on I have learned quickly and obviously the manager helps me on the training field.
“I feel I have progressed in that position and I feel comfortable there. It is not too dissimilar to what I did."
Henderson caught the eye with his Goal of the Month against Chelsea in September, but it is his hard work that has now been recognised through Opta stats.
The tireless midfielder has outrun famed workhorses such as Chelsea's N'Golo Kante and Leicester's Danny Drinkwatwer by running 106.49km already this term.
The Reds skipper captained England earlier this month

Premier League's top 10 hardest working
10. Gareth Barry - Everton (Distance covered: 99.21km)
9. Hector Bellerin - Arsenal (99.46km)
8. Dean Marney - Burnley (99.62km)
7. Danny Drinkwater - Leicester (99.70km)
6. Fernandinho - Manchester City (100.48km)
5. Sam Clucas - Hull City (100.67km)
4. Craig Dawson - West Bromwich Albion (102.04km)
3. Nemanja Matic - Chelsea (104.06km)
2. N'Golo Kante - Leicester (104.95km)
1. Jordan Henderson - Liverpool (106.49km)
 
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