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Bolton Wanderers line up loan move for Liverpool FC's Jay Spearing
Aug 20 2012


By JAMES PEARCE

LIVERPOOL have received an approach from Bolton Wanderers to sign Jay Spearing on a season-long loan.
The 23-year-old Academy graduate failed to make the 18-man squad for the Reds' defeat to West Brom on Saturday and faces an uncertain future at Anfield.
If Spearing voices a desire to link up with Owen Coyle at the Reebok Stadium then manager Brendan Rodgers is unlikely to stand in his way.

Coyle is desperate to boost his midfield options and has identified Spearing as the perfect addition to his Championship side, who were beaten 2-0 by Burnley on Saturday.


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I don't see the benefit of this anywhere.

He either stays or he gets sold. What's the point of loaning him? He's 23, isn't going to come back a drastically better player, and we need him. Loans should be set up to benefit both clubs, this would only benefit Bolton.

We have Lucas back after a year out, and that's it for DM cover. Sure Spearing's never gonna be Claude Makalele, but he's a decent squad option that we need.

Loaning him would be completely pointless.
 
Can't Allen play Lucas' role ? I am sure I remember reading he has done so. At the Olympics perhaps ?

If that is the case then a loan may put Spearing in the shop window. It's unlikely we will get much for him or that we will be saving much on his salary either way.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
We're not getting Sahin. We're not that kind of club anymore.
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Is correct LeTall.

What we're now seeing is the first generation of young players who don't actually recognise us as a big club. There's no 'history' or 'glory' for them to attach to us, so really to some up and coming 18 year old kid from Portugal or wherever - we're just another club.
 
Ryan said:
Is correct LeTall.

What we're now seeing is the first generation of young players who don't actually recognise us as a big club. There's no 'history' or 'glory' for them to attach to us, so really to some up and coming 18 year old kid from Portugal or wherever - we're just another club.
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I dont think thats true at all.
If a lad was born in 1990 he would have seen us win
Fa cup
Uefa cup
Carling cup
Carling cup
European cup
Fa cup
Carling cup
From the age of 10.
We dont have the money to compete, doesnt mean we arent a draw.
 
Ryan said:
Is correct LeTall.

What we're now seeing is the first generation of young players who don't actually recognise us as a big club. There's no 'history' or 'glory' for them to attach to us, so really to some up and coming 18 year old kid from Portugal or wherever - we're just another club.
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Don't know Ryan, lots of them were in their early teens watching the two CL finals we were in half a decade ago.
That's history for those young lads.
Hopefully that count's for something.
 
Ryan said:
Is correct LeTall.

What we're now seeing is the first generation of young players who don't actually recognise us as a big club. There's no 'history' or 'glory' for them to attach to us, so really to some up and coming 18 year old kid from Portugal or wherever - we're just another club.
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What - kids born after 2005? Bollocks. If you're focussing on the league, then it ought to be the second generation. It's been long enough.
 
Ryan has a tendancy to overplay these things to show what a level headed and grounded fan. He doesnt get fooled by such things as repeated trophy wins. Were shit and ALL of Europe knows it.
 
Ask any foreign kid joining a top club in England what they dream of winning. ALL of them will say CL instead of the domestic league.
That's our problem right now, having been out of that comp for 3 years. If we were in it, our success rate in Europe would actually be a big draw for the young 'uns.
 
juniormember said:
Ask any foreign kid joining a top club in England what they dream of winning. ALL of them will say CL instead of the domestic league.
That's our problem right now, having been out of that comp for 3 years. If we were in it, our success rate in Europe would actually be a big draw for the young 'uns.
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That would be true perhaps if Anzi and Malaga and every other club with money didnt buy whoever thay please.
Modern footballers dream about the contract. Not the trophies they can win.
 
I think it is clear that where we were once a club where everyone knew there job, did it well and took pride in being the best, from the tea lady, to the boardroom, are long gone. We are a shambles and it will take a huge amount of time and money, and a lot of luck with the personnel running the club for us to reach the heights we once knew. We've been consistently left behind on and off the field for 20 years. The closest thing i can equate to how we are now is United in the 70s and 80s. But they at least had the media on their side for whatever reason. We haven't and never have done.
It's a sad state of affairs that we have the squad we have on the wages they are on and we are still no nearer to where we need to be.
Trusting this entire institution to a man, however determined and hard working he is, who is 39 and has never won anything as a manager is madness.
Jay is just another in a long line of players who are not good enough. Our scouting and youth system is lacking in so many areas. I like him as a player, think he'll do well elsewhere but nowhere near the level we need.
And there's the rub: we will never attract the players we need, or develop them until we return to a winning mentality, and to do that we need the right players and set up. Which wont get until we are more successful.
Being in the top bracket of wage payers is one thing, paying those wages to the right players is something else entirely.
 
Herr Onceared said:
I dont think thats true at all.
If a lad was born in 1990 he would have seen us win
Fa cup
Uefa cup
Carling cup
Carling cup
European cup
Fa cup
Carling cup
From the age of 10.
We dont have the money to compete, doesnt mean we arent a draw.
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We have more money than 90% of the clubs we play. People need to stop saying this. We have more money than both Fulham and Swansea i.e. but they don't cry like babies, they just play on. We have more money than West Brom. More than all the Portugese and most Spanish clubs. More money than most Italian and all the french clubs bar one. We have enough money to waste hundreds of millions of pounds. We have enough to replace the whole backroom staff every 18th month. So please please please stop using that excuse.
 
Insignificance said:
We have more money than 90% of the clubs we play. People need to stop saying this. We have more money than both Fulham and Swansea i.e. but they don't cry like babies, they just play on. We have more money than West Brom. More than all the Portugese and most Spanish clubs. More money than most Italian and all the french clubs bar one. We have enough money to waste hundreds of millions of pounds. We have enough to replace the whole backroom staff every 18th month. So please please please stop using that excuse.
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What are you talking about?
Success for Swansea will be staying in the league.
Success for Fulham will be top 10 finish.
If thats your expectation then fine yes. We have plently of cash.
We DONT have the money to compete with Chelsea (Oscar, Marin, Hazard) or Arsenal (Cazorla, Giroud, Sahin) etc
Somewhere on some interweb site someone probably awards points for stupidest things said on the internet and puts them all by all people in a league. At the end of the year the league will be full formed and someone somewhere will be awarded stupidest person on the internet.
Youve done yourself no harm at all there.
 
Herr Onceared said:
Ryan has a tendancy to overplay these things to show what a level headed and grounded fan. He doesnt get fooled by such things as repeated trophy wins. Were shit and ALL of Europe knows it.
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I think you're going slightly over the top. I wasnt really being critical, just making an observation is all. We seemed to be getting turned down by lots of youngsters, maybe we're not that big a draw card?
 
This is not entirely untrue.

We have had the money, just our signings have been been poor.

Hazard cost the same as Carroll.

Oscar not far off Downing.

Marin not far off Adam.

**wages unknown*

It is not all doom and gloom, we have manager who wants to play a sexy way

Signed players who have technical qualities.

A youth system which could produce a couple of gems over the next few years.


Herr Onceared said:
What are you talking about?
Success for Swansea will be staying in the league.
Success for Fulham will be top 10 finish.
If thats your expectation then fine yes. We have plently of cash.
We DONT have the money to compete with Chelsea (Oscar, Marin, Hazard) or Arsenal (Cazorla, Giroud, Sahin) etc
Somewhere on some interweb site someone probably awards points for stupidest things said on the internet and puts them all by all people in a league. At the end of the year the league will be full formed and someone somewhere will be awarded stupidest person on the internet.
Youve done yourself no harm at all there.
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Ryan said:
I think you're going slightly over the top. I wasnt really being critical, just making an observation is all. We seemed to be getting turned down by lots of youngsters, maybe we're not that big a draw card?
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I was overblowing it for effect big lad............ya know.......
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hmmmmm1 said:
This is not entirely untrue.

We have had the money, just our signings have been been poor.

Hazard cost the same as Carroll.

Oscar not far off Downing.

Marin not far off Adam.

**wages unknown*

It is not all doom and gloom, we have manager who wants to play a sexy way

Signed players who have technical qualities.

A youth system which could produce a couple of gems over the next few years.
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Yes we HAVE had the money.
Not sure how that helps.
 
Ryan said:
Nah. Foreign concept to me.
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I'm surprised you took your original stance on this thread Ryan, you're right though. I think we could get a season from him as back up and then look next season to add some depth there. I think he'd be happy playing a bit part role for now at least, he loves the club. Not the greatest of players, as said, he's not the worst either though, he's limited but what he does do (the FA Cup final aside) he does well enough - for now.
 
There must be plenty of youngsters who don't know our history or even that much about Istanbul.

Think about it. 2012 - 2005, 7 years.

Starlet aged 16 would have been 9. If not from England I doubt they know much, if anything about that cl final. Or care.

Sad but true.
 
Loaning him makes no sense to me. If we really need to sell to buy then we're better off taking whatever we can get for any player the manager does not want. Adam + Carroll + Spearing + Downing + whoever else = one top class player Rodgers actually wants makes sense for me.
We have Shelvey, Sterling and few others I'd rather have on the fringe of the first team and back up.
 
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