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.. Or win the europa league To qualify for europe next season after the FA semi final cup draw.

A season without european football would be bad news for this club in terms of rebuilding and seeking transfer targets.
 
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[quote author=jono@home link=topic=44543.msg1299386#msg1299386 date=1300036065]
.. Or win the europa league To qualify for europe next season after the FA semi final cup draw.

A season without european football would be bad news for this club in terms of rebuilding and seeking transfer targets.




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How you figure that? We got in from 7th last year when pompey didnt get a license to play in europe. Presuming this years runner up or winners do play in europe, then surely 5th and 6th in the league still qualify or have the rules changed?
 
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[quote author=jono@home link=topic=44543.msg1299386#msg1299386 date=1300036065]
.. Or win the europa league To qualify for europe next season after the FA semi final cup draw.

A season without european football would be bad news for this club in terms of rebuilding and seeking transfer targets.




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There's a flip side to this. Without Europa games this season we have a big advantage on other teams in the league for 6th place upwards, that could make a big difference come the business end of the season next year, depending where we are, of course.
 
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I don't buy all this 'good players have got to have CL football, we won't get anyone decent' stuff. Suarez and Carroll knew we were unlikely to make the CL this season. City have attracted players with nothing on offer as have Spurs in the past. If you've got the cash and history we have you'll attract the players.
 
As if playing in the europa league means diddly to any of the half decent players we go after.

If Europe is a stumbling block, it'll be the Champions league, not it's second rate cousin.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44543.msg1299403#msg1299403 date=1300038977]
I'd trade no European football for the league title.




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I don't understand this thinking. Not playing in Europe does not guarantee the PL.
 
Plus it means we can finally fucking play a 3pm kick off on a saturday instead of all these buggering sunday games.
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44543.msg1299404#msg1299404 date=1300039217]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44543.msg1299403#msg1299403 date=1300038977]
I'd trade no European football for the league title.




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I don't understand this thinking. Not playing in Europe does not guarantee the PL.
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I'd be willing to wager we'd have at least put in a half decent performance against WH the other week if it were a sat and not a few days after a a EL match.

Actually, i wonder what the stats are for matches played on sundays after europa league matches, in terms of wins,losses and draws.
 
Red Mullet: I don't understand your thinking?

The only thing that guarantees titles is winning. I never said or insinuated that not playing in Europe does.

However, to only have one major competition to concentrate on apart from the FA and League Cups is not necessarily a bad thing considering that there'll be more than a few possible personnel changes to integrate into the first team.
 
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[quote author=jono@home link=topic=44543.msg1299386#msg1299386 date=1300036065]
.. Or win the europa league To qualify for europe next season after the FA semi final cup draw.

A season without european football would be bad news for this club in terms of rebuilding and seeking transfer targets.




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There's a flip side to this. Without Europa games this season we have a big advantage on other teams in the league for 6th place upwards, that could make a big difference come the business end of the season next year, depending where we are, of course.
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true, but there is a word missing from that..

Momentum, Playing more games helps build that.. UTD have been doing it for years.
 
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[quote author=jono@home link=topic=44543.msg1299386#msg1299386 date=1300036065]
.. Or win the europa league To qualify for europe next season after the FA semi final cup draw.

A season without european football would be bad news for this club in terms of rebuilding and seeking transfer targets.




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There's a flip side to this. Without Europa games this season we have a big advantage on other teams in the league for 6th place upwards, that could make a big difference come the business end of the season next year, depending where we are, of course.
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true, but there is a word missing from that..

Momentum, Playing more games helps build that.. UTD have been doing it for years.
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Can you compare a strong squad playing tuesdays and wednesday matches in spain,france and germany gaining momentum against a weak squad playing on a thursday and then again on a sunday against team from ukraine or wherever.

Theres nothing stopping a team building momentum saturday to saturday, you don't have to have a match in between to ensure momentum is carried over.
 
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Hardcastle: Kenny's Liverpool of old backs up this line of thought when we were banned from Europe.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44543.msg1299396#msg1299396 date=1300038259]
I don't buy all this 'good players have got to have CL football, we won't get anyone decent' stuff. Suarez and Carroll knew we were unlikely to make the CL this season. City have attracted players with nothing on offer as have Spurs in the past. If you've got the cash and history we have you'll attract the players.
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There's no doubting it's an obstacle, though. One of our star players left because he knows there will be no CL for us next year, so if we want to attract players of a similar calibre, it's not unreasonable to assume that they'll have similar ambition. Hopefully they won't be quite as shortsighted, or quite as impatient as El Cunto.

Whatever the case, we'll have less players to choose from than CL participants.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44543.msg1299418#msg1299418 date=1300041055]
Hardcastle: Kenny's Liverpool of old backs up this line of thought when we were banned from Europe.
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football has changed since the days of 'kenny of old'

Christ back then we would play the same starting 11 game in game out!!!

Different kettle of fish these days..

I just think its bad for the club not to be in Europe. Its going to be a long hard fight to get back in it too..
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44543.msg1299396#msg1299396 date=1300038259]
I don't buy all this 'good players have got to have CL football, we won't get anyone decent' stuff. Suarez and Carroll knew we were unlikely to make the CL this season. City have attracted players with nothing on offer as have Spurs in the past. If you've got the cash and history we have you'll attract the players.
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There's no doubting it's an obstacle, though. One of our star players left because he knows there will be no CL for us next year, so if we want to attract players of a similar calibre, it's not unreasonable to assume that they'll have similar ambition. Hopefully they won't be quite as shortsighted, or quite as impatient as El Cunto.

Whatever the case, we'll have less players to choose from than CL participants.

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It's not ideal, but I think Sheik's right - we'll still be able to sign top players, particularly as most of those we're likely to target are young players currently at much smaller clubs. We're a massive step up for them, even if it means missing out on European football for a season.

Anyway, the CL possibility went weeks ago. The idea that playing in the Europa League might make the difference between a player saying yes or no to Liverpool just seems ludicrous to me. Would they rather sign for Birmingham then?

We do need to get back in the CL asap though.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=44543.msg1299422#msg1299422 date=1300041940]
The idea that playing in the Europa League might make the difference between a player saying yes or no to Liverpool just seems ludicrous to me. Would they rather sign for Birmingham then?

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This. Obviously having European football to offer is a plus, but the quality and standard of players we would and should be after will probably be deciding between 'CL' and 'no-CL' club. The impact of Europa league qualification is perhaps larger for teams like Birmingham, in fighting for players vs. mid table sides, for example.
 
We should be selling the prospect of a serious title challenge to potential new signings in the summer.

The Europa Cup is neither here nor there to me.
 
The only benefit of the Europa cup is really a chance for Kenny to brush up his European CV - he's not the same manager in Europe it seems. Anyway, of little consequence overall I am sure.
 
One important issue we seem to forget is the economic part of it all. How much money will we lose out on if we don't qualify?

I'm sure there's plenty of money in it even though it's only Europa League, especially if you include tickets and match day revenue.
 
This whole topic is irrelevant anyways seeing as were going to beat braga 3-1 and go on to win the fucker anyway.
 
Jono: football hasn't changed all that much except for the money and the amount of games played. That's the reason why you need a bigger squad these days.

While it may be a different kettle of fish since the Liverpool of old when Kenny was in charge, the reason we could consistently field the same XI players is because we never played as many games as a consequence of the ban.

In the greater scheme of things, the level of Europa League football is poor and I doubt it is an attractive selling point.

Our reputation and a rebuilding project to challenge for the title would be attractive selling points.
 
I dont even know what to expect from us this summer.

The torres sale clouded my view of the transfer window. I have no idea whether we'll see a decent input of dollar or not.
 
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=44543.msg1299428#msg1299428 date=1300043804]
One important issue we seem to forget is the economic part of it all. How much money will we lose out on if we don't qualify?

I'm sure there's plenty of money in it even though it's only Europa League, especially if you include tickets and match day revenue.
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Im nearly sure Purslow said last year after we got knocked out of the champions league that we could make the same amount money by winning the europa league than we would have gotten had we gone out in the first knockout stage of the CL. Not sure if its right or wrong but it would make economic sense to be in another competition next year. I know the competition is painful to watch and would love more saturday games but what can one do! Pity they abolished the Intertoto cup ???
 
The intertoto cup was wank.

The Europa league is a very, very poor version of the CL, but the cash would be nice. It's mad to say it's simply a good thing, but there is a silver lining should we not be in Europe in an inferior competition in which we play a ludicrous amount of games & ruin our weekends.
 
i think in terms of attracting players it's CL or nothing, really. the europa league isn't worth a hill of beans to anyone, certainly much less than the general appeal LFC still holds.

FWIW i still think we've a reasonable chance of finishing 5th, though.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44543.msg1299443#msg1299443 date=1300049584]
The intertoto cup was wank.
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Tell that to Scott Parker.
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Look at the unreserved joy on his face.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44543.msg1299453#msg1299453 date=1300056157]
i think in terms of attracting players it's CL or nothing, really. the europa league isn't worth a hill of beans to anyone, certainly much less than the general appeal LFC still holds.

FWIW i still think we've a reasonable chance of finishing 5th, though.
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at the expense of who though? spurs aren't slipping up as much as i'd like and chelsea might be finding form . hard to see past them. it would be hilarious if we stopped one of them being in europe next year though
 
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