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So Rafa would have walked only for the fans support
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BenÃtez on the brink of leaving Liverpool over Anfield rift
From The Times
"Rafael BenÃtez could bid an emotional farewell to Anfield tomorrow after a breakdown of trust between the Liverpool manager and the board.
The club’s hierarchy believe BenÃtez is “playing games†as he weighs up an offer to take over at Juventus.
Sources at Anfield said last night that the situation looks increasingly untenable for both parties, but the mechanics of BenÃtez’s departure remain unclear because of two factors: the extraordinary sum of £16 million that he would be due as compensation if relieved of his duties and the uncertainty over the future ownership of the club.
The board insists that BenÃtez’s potential payoff will not stop it acting decisively. However, the Spaniard believes he has a watertight five-year contract, agreed only last year, which entitles him to be paid within 24 hours of having his contract terminated.
With at least two groups expressing serious interest in buying Liverpool from Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the uncertainty may be prolonged until a takeover has been finalised, but the club’s hierarchy are prepared to discuss the matter with potential investors if they fear BenÃtez has become a “lame duck†manager after a wretched season in which they lie seventh in the Barclays Premier League with two matches remaining, the first against Chelsea in a potential title decider tomorrow.
BenÃtez has an arrangement with Christian Purslow, the managing director, to sit down at the end of the season, after the final Premier League fixture away to Hull City a week tomorrow, to discuss the future. Having not yet spoken to Martin Broughton, who was appointed as chairman a fortnight ago, BenÃtez fears the worst, but a swift resolution looks unlikely. The Liverpool board will not stand in BenÃtez’s way if he wants to join Juventus or any other club, which would at least spare it the payout.
BenÃtez said yesterday: “I decided to stay last year because of the fans and for one year I have been working hard, trying to do my best. We will seewhat happens in the future.â€
From The Times
"Rafael BenÃtez could bid an emotional farewell to Anfield tomorrow after a breakdown of trust between the Liverpool manager and the board.
The club’s hierarchy believe BenÃtez is “playing games†as he weighs up an offer to take over at Juventus.
Sources at Anfield said last night that the situation looks increasingly untenable for both parties, but the mechanics of BenÃtez’s departure remain unclear because of two factors: the extraordinary sum of £16 million that he would be due as compensation if relieved of his duties and the uncertainty over the future ownership of the club.
The board insists that BenÃtez’s potential payoff will not stop it acting decisively. However, the Spaniard believes he has a watertight five-year contract, agreed only last year, which entitles him to be paid within 24 hours of having his contract terminated.
With at least two groups expressing serious interest in buying Liverpool from Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the uncertainty may be prolonged until a takeover has been finalised, but the club’s hierarchy are prepared to discuss the matter with potential investors if they fear BenÃtez has become a “lame duck†manager after a wretched season in which they lie seventh in the Barclays Premier League with two matches remaining, the first against Chelsea in a potential title decider tomorrow.
BenÃtez has an arrangement with Christian Purslow, the managing director, to sit down at the end of the season, after the final Premier League fixture away to Hull City a week tomorrow, to discuss the future. Having not yet spoken to Martin Broughton, who was appointed as chairman a fortnight ago, BenÃtez fears the worst, but a swift resolution looks unlikely. The Liverpool board will not stand in BenÃtez’s way if he wants to join Juventus or any other club, which would at least spare it the payout.
BenÃtez said yesterday: “I decided to stay last year because of the fans and for one year I have been working hard, trying to do my best. We will seewhat happens in the future.â€
I've tried to stay quite calm and pragmatic this season about the managers position. We're not in the best of situations so calling for the managers head isn't always going to get you what you want in the long-term.
But if he leaves banging on about lack of funds and reassurances, I'll lose all respect for the man. I mean damn, it's been a bad year, but just show some respect for the fans and take it on the chin. Say it's been a difficult season, but we'll do better next year. Or just fuck off without saying anything.
It seems like a lifetime ago when we were all in love with how Rafa dealt with the media in his first season.
But if he leaves banging on about lack of funds and reassurances, I'll lose all respect for the man. I mean damn, it's been a bad year, but just show some respect for the fans and take it on the chin. Say it's been a difficult season, but we'll do better next year. Or just fuck off without saying anything.
It seems like a lifetime ago when we were all in love with how Rafa dealt with the media in his first season.
Surely even in those bastions of Rafa worship like RAWK there must be murmurings that their idol is playing unacceptable games here.
He wants to go, and wants it to look like he was pushed rather than that he jumped. It is unnecessary, and as Ken says, we'd all have more respect if he just was honest about what a terrible year he's had and perhaps its best for both parties if they part company with fond regards.
He wants to go, and wants it to look like he was pushed rather than that he jumped. It is unnecessary, and as Ken says, we'd all have more respect if he just was honest about what a terrible year he's had and perhaps its best for both parties if they part company with fond regards.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
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I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
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I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40032.msg1097094#msg1097094 date=1272700903]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
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I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
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I don't like the sound of that!
Jose4PM or Fabio4PM seem much more appealing.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
[/quote]
I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
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I don't like the sound of that!
Jose4PM or Fabio4PM seem much more appealing.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097097#msg1097097 date=1272701083]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40032.msg1097094#msg1097094 date=1272700903]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
[/quote]
I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
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I don't like the sound of that!
Jose4PM or Fabio4PM seem much more appealing.
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*lowers sausage and egg sandwich*
Wha?
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40032.msg1097094#msg1097094 date=1272700903]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
[/quote]
I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
[/quote]
I don't like the sound of that!
Jose4PM or Fabio4PM seem much more appealing.
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*lowers sausage and egg sandwich*
Wha?
Rafa has had an easy ride over the last few years because there is a bigger ogre for the fans to fight, and Rafa has been very astute, at positioning himself in that situation.
As I said before he has some good points, and tries to do things with the best of intentions, sadly that is outweighed by the flaws in his personality, which will prevent him from reaching the very top and staying there, which I won't go into again.
I think there is loads going on in the background not least of all some sort of deal being well on the way when Barclays and Broughton arrived on the scene.
If I am right Rafa will be able to save some face and walk into Juve before he has to leave.
I also feel the situation might have been made more complicated by Inter getting through to the final.
regards
As I said before he has some good points, and tries to do things with the best of intentions, sadly that is outweighed by the flaws in his personality, which will prevent him from reaching the very top and staying there, which I won't go into again.
I think there is loads going on in the background not least of all some sort of deal being well on the way when Barclays and Broughton arrived on the scene.
If I am right Rafa will be able to save some face and walk into Juve before he has to leave.
I also feel the situation might have been made more complicated by Inter getting through to the final.
regards
Do you know something about Jose that we don't Vlad?
The media seem as confident about him going to Madrid as they are about Rafa leaving for Juve.
I do agree though about the takeover situation, i think we're probably a lot further down the road with this than what may appear to be the case from the outside.
The media seem as confident about him going to Madrid as they are about Rafa leaving for Juve.
I do agree though about the takeover situation, i think we're probably a lot further down the road with this than what may appear to be the case from the outside.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40032.msg1097099#msg1097099 date=1272701435]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097097#msg1097097 date=1272701083]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40032.msg1097094#msg1097094 date=1272700903]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
[/quote]
I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
[/quote]
I don't like the sound of that!
Jose4PM or Fabio4PM seem much more appealing.
[/quote]
*lowers sausage and egg sandwich*
Wha?
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Don't let your sandwich spoil mate.
The proper Fabio!
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097097#msg1097097 date=1272701083]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40032.msg1097094#msg1097094 date=1272700903]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40032.msg1097093#msg1097093 date=1272700686]
I guess tomorrow after the game we might all find out if he'll still be with us next season or not.
[/quote]
I think it is inevitable. MON4PM=your new name?
[/quote]
I don't like the sound of that!
Jose4PM or Fabio4PM seem much more appealing.
[/quote]
*lowers sausage and egg sandwich*
Wha?
[/quote]
Don't let your sandwich spoil mate.
The proper Fabio!
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40032.msg1097102#msg1097102 date=1272701579]
If I am right Rafa will be able to save some face and walk into Juve before he has to leave.
regards
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I'm not sure he's trying to save face though, Vlad. The reason he hasn't already walked is surely more likely a desire to see some of that £16m he'd be owed if we pushed him.
If I am right Rafa will be able to save some face and walk into Juve before he has to leave.
regards
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I'm not sure he's trying to save face though, Vlad. The reason he hasn't already walked is surely more likely a desire to see some of that £16m he'd be owed if we pushed him.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40032.msg1097102#msg1097102 date=1272701579]
Rafa has had an easy ride over the last few years because there is a bigger ogre for the fans to fight, and Rafa has been very astute, at positioning himself in that situation.
As I said before he has some good points, and tries to do things with the best of intentions, sadly that is outweighed by the flaws in his personality, which will prevent him from reaching the very top and staying there, which I won't go into again.
I think there is loads going on in the background not least of all some sort of deal being well on the way when Barclays and Broughton arrived on the scene.
If I am right Rafa will be able to save some face and walk into Juve before he has to leave.
I also feel the situation might have been made more complicated by Inter getting through to the final.
regards
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A typically balanced summary which does this argument a particular favour by making that highlighted point.
Rafa has had an easy ride over the last few years because there is a bigger ogre for the fans to fight, and Rafa has been very astute, at positioning himself in that situation.
As I said before he has some good points, and tries to do things with the best of intentions, sadly that is outweighed by the flaws in his personality, which will prevent him from reaching the very top and staying there, which I won't go into again.
I think there is loads going on in the background not least of all some sort of deal being well on the way when Barclays and Broughton arrived on the scene.
If I am right Rafa will be able to save some face and walk into Juve before he has to leave.
I also feel the situation might have been made more complicated by Inter getting through to the final.
regards
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A typically balanced summary which does this argument a particular favour by making that highlighted point.
One thing's for sure: he wouldn't have got that five-year contract if it wasn't for the fans' support.
Benitez is a successful manager with a long list of credits trying to operate in a badly run club. A club that is in flux.
He's infected (as all of us are) by the emotional pull that Liverpool FC have and continues to believe when any objective analysis would tell you to move on to a more stable environment.
If Juventus are interested then he'd be a fool not to consider it. I'm hoping that he moves on and we can get Mourinho.
If Benitez moves on and we get anyone other than Mourinho then it will be a blind punt.
He's infected (as all of us are) by the emotional pull that Liverpool FC have and continues to believe when any objective analysis would tell you to move on to a more stable environment.
If Juventus are interested then he'd be a fool not to consider it. I'm hoping that he moves on and we can get Mourinho.
If Benitez moves on and we get anyone other than Mourinho then it will be a blind punt.
I really wish you would shut the fuck up.
I don't actually understand why Benitez is *that* sought after on the Continent. (Real, Juve etc)
Yes, he delivered a CL 5 years ago and has a good record in Europe overall - but his league record outside of Spain has been abysmal.
Doesn't help in the fact that his playing style is also painfully dull to watch.
Yes, he delivered a CL 5 years ago and has a good record in Europe overall - but his league record outside of Spain has been abysmal.
Doesn't help in the fact that his playing style is also painfully dull to watch.
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40032.msg1097151#msg1097151 date=1272707265]
I don't actually understand why Benitez is *that* sought after on the Continent. (Real, Juve etc)
Yes, he delivered a CL 5 years ago and has a good record in Europe overall - but his league record outside of Spain has been abysmal.
Doesn't help in the fact that his playing style is also painfully dull to watch.
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His European record is the best. Ancelotti and Mourinho could claim to be on the same level, but I can't think of anyone with a better record than Benitez in Europe.
Plus the Italian game is much more tactical than the English game, and he probably would be successful there. Man City's interest is a bit more surprising, and I suspect Real fans would hate his style of play, but with Juve I can totally see the appeal.
I don't actually understand why Benitez is *that* sought after on the Continent. (Real, Juve etc)
Yes, he delivered a CL 5 years ago and has a good record in Europe overall - but his league record outside of Spain has been abysmal.
Doesn't help in the fact that his playing style is also painfully dull to watch.
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His European record is the best. Ancelotti and Mourinho could claim to be on the same level, but I can't think of anyone with a better record than Benitez in Europe.
Plus the Italian game is much more tactical than the English game, and he probably would be successful there. Man City's interest is a bit more surprising, and I suspect Real fans would hate his style of play, but with Juve I can totally see the appeal.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40032.msg1097155#msg1097155 date=1272707530]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40032.msg1097151#msg1097151 date=1272707265]
I don't actually understand why Benitez is *that* sought after on the Continent. (Real, Juve etc)
Yes, he delivered a CL 5 years ago and has a good record in Europe overall - but his league record outside of Spain has been abysmal.
Doesn't help in the fact that his playing style is also painfully dull to watch.
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His European record is the best. Ancelotti and Mourinho could claim to be on the same level, but I can't think of anyone with a better record than Benitez in Europe.
Plus the Italian game is much more tactical than the English game, and he probably would be successful there. Man City's interest is a bit more surprising, and I suspect Real fans would hate his style of play, but with Juve I can totally see the appeal.
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Yes, I would add Ferguscum to that list too.
I didn't hear of the City link, I would love to see him go there - get given an endless pot of cash - and let's see if he's really as great as some claim. Personally, I still think he would funk it up through over analytics.
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40032.msg1097151#msg1097151 date=1272707265]
I don't actually understand why Benitez is *that* sought after on the Continent. (Real, Juve etc)
Yes, he delivered a CL 5 years ago and has a good record in Europe overall - but his league record outside of Spain has been abysmal.
Doesn't help in the fact that his playing style is also painfully dull to watch.
[/quote]
His European record is the best. Ancelotti and Mourinho could claim to be on the same level, but I can't think of anyone with a better record than Benitez in Europe.
Plus the Italian game is much more tactical than the English game, and he probably would be successful there. Man City's interest is a bit more surprising, and I suspect Real fans would hate his style of play, but with Juve I can totally see the appeal.
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Yes, I would add Ferguscum to that list too.
I didn't hear of the City link, I would love to see him go there - get given an endless pot of cash - and let's see if he's really as great as some claim. Personally, I still think he would funk it up through over analytics.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097161#msg1097161 date=1272708440]
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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HE wouldn't last a season
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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HE wouldn't last a season
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097161#msg1097161 date=1272708440]
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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Even if they did, they'd still sack him.
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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Even if they did, they'd still sack him.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=40032.msg1097162#msg1097162 date=1272708812]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097161#msg1097161 date=1272708440]
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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HE wouldn't last a season
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Hahahaha. You're probably serious aswell.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097161#msg1097161 date=1272708440]
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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HE wouldn't last a season
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Hahahaha. You're probably serious aswell.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097167#msg1097167 date=1272710046]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=40032.msg1097162#msg1097162 date=1272708812]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097161#msg1097161 date=1272708440]
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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HE wouldn't last a season
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Hahahaha. You're probably serious aswell.
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He's probably right as well. And it's more of a criticism of Real than Benitez.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=40032.msg1097162#msg1097162 date=1272708812]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40032.msg1097161#msg1097161 date=1272708440]
If Benitez went to Real, they would win everything.
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HE wouldn't last a season
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Hahahaha. You're probably serious aswell.
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He's probably right as well. And it's more of a criticism of Real than Benitez.
Why "cowardly"?
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