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Let me tell you what that somewhat vague title alludes to.

My friend sent me a text this morning, & said "We now just have to hope Arsenal turn Chelsea over this weekend", & I thought to myself, "Do we?". More importantly, "Can I hope for that?".

I'm not sure I can hope for that yet. Every ounce of my brain, the conscious, analytical part of my brain anyway, says that it's the obvious thing to do, that our squad is too weak, the last month's worth of poor results & complete dirge on the pitch make it plain that we simply cannot challenge this ultra-cynical Chelsea side who keep literally grinding out results.

However, despite that month of shite, despite our thin squad being exposed, & most of all, in spite of our lack of ideas in the final third, I'm not ready to give it up yet.

We're ten points behind, we've passed that threshold that Modo stumbled upon showing that teams in first place at the end of January almost always go on to win it, & yet, yet I see a faint glimmer of hope. Not much, not much at all, but the barest suggestion of a glimmer, a trace of it just on the edge of my senses, like the peal of a far away bell caught in the wind.

We have rest periods between games now, which means that the thin squad is less of an issue, that our attackers should be able to shake of this mental malaise that's befallen them, & last night I saw a side that can match the league leaders blow for blow, I saw parts of our game that were promises we can get back to our scintillating best.

Chelsea meanwhile, have rarely looked convincing during this impressive run of results. The results are no less impressive, but the performances aren't, which suggests that they could falter at any time when one or two of their best players drop their levels, which they inevitably will do.

Who knows, some good confidence boosting wins in the next couple of games & Arsenal beating Chelsea could see us in the ascendancy & Chelsea starting to waver.

It's unlikely, I know it is, fuck, it's just as likely that we'll drop points at Hull as we so often do after performing against the better sides in the league, but you know what, fuck it, I can hope, I can dream, & for the next few days at least, so I'm going to.
 
Take the rose tints off mate. We've no chance of winning the league. Defensively we are shit and struggle against lower teams that park the bus. Chelsea are proper kitten killers. They blow the lower teams away with ease.
 
Take the rose tints off mate. We've no chance of winning the league. Defensively we are shit and struggle against lower teams that park the bus. Chelsea are proper kitten killers. They blow the lower teams away with ease.

Like I said, the sensible, analytical part of my brain agrees entirely.

However, I cannot bring myself to give up yet. Not when I watched us play such remarkably good football earlier this season, the 4-0 against Everton, the trouncing of Watford, the 3-0 win over Arsenal, the 2-1 win over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

So yeah, you're almost certainly right, but I cannot give up hope yet, not with three months of the season to go & a ten point gap, I just can't.
 
I agree there is a slight slight glimmer of hope and we need to believe that stranger things have happened
 
Theoretically you need to look at how many points remain (15x3=45) and say that if we won every single match we'd end up with 91 points. Since that is a ridiculous assumption let's make it more realistic and say that we won't suffer any more injuries and we can put our best team out for every match .. we'll still slip up somewhere (City away perhaps, or maybe dropping points at home to Arsenal or Spurs) so probably 83-85 pts, if we hit top form, is closer to reality.

Chelsea have 56 pts and so would only need 27-29 pts to hit those totals. We would be relying on them dropping at least 16 pts from the remaining 15 games, whilst, even allowing for their poor start to the season, they have only dropped 13 points from 23 games.

There isn't a chance in hell that we will overhaul them unless we are near perfect and they implode big time. In other words we are deluding ourselves if we believe the title is still on, even if Chelsea were to lose 5-0 to Arsenal.
 
If we had won then most of us would have thought there was the merest glimmer of hope but the draw wasn't good enough to keep us as challengers.
It's not just our poor form but Chelsea's ability to win whlie not being being brilliant that sets up apart. We rarely win without playing well.
 
There isn't a chance in hell that we will overhaul them unless we are near perfect and they implode big time. In other words we are deluding ourselves if we believe the title is still on, even if Chelsea were to lose 5-0 to Arsenal.

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That's it! You've done ... I BELIEVE. We'll win the league.

ARISE @Oncy and lead us!

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There's a reason chelski are 1/4 with the bookies for the league and the next nearest is spurs at 10/1. The league is done this season regardless of what happens for them vs the arse. As long as we finish in the top 4 from where we are, and the squad we have, I'll be happy.
 
I suppose an injury to a key player like Costa, Hazzard or Kante could derail their form somewhat and if we reciprocated with a long winning streak it is still possible but there are a lot of unlikely "ifs" there.
Based on last night's performance I am hopeful that we can return to the form of earlier in the season and secure a top three/four finish.
We have fifteen games left to play this season with plenty of preparation and recover time for each one.
This should be a help in our push to finish in the top four.
 
This is what. We're represented by the wee boy in the back, while his momma represents Chelsea

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We've got to take it one game at a time right now and re-establish our rhythm. It's a huge plus (regards our league finish) that, at a time when we've looked mentally and physically fatigued, we're about to return to a game a week schedule unlike the majority of our close rivals.

I'd be aiming to re-establish ourselves in 2nd place before thinking again what Chelsea are up to right now.
 
Let me tell you what that somewhat vague title alludes to.

My friend sent me a text this morning, & said "We now just have to hope Arsenal turn Chelsea over this weekend", & I thought to myself, "Do we?". More importantly, "Can I hope for that?".

I'm not sure I can hope for that yet. Every ounce of my brain, the conscious, analytical part of my brain anyway, says that it's the obvious thing to do, that our squad is too weak, the last month's worth of poor results & complete dirge on the pitch make it plain that we simply cannot challenge this ultra-cynical Chelsea side who keep literally grinding out results.

However, despite that month of shite, despite our thin squad being exposed, & most of all, in spite of our lack of ideas in the final third, I'm not ready to give it up yet.

We're ten points behind, we've passed that threshold that Modo stumbled upon showing that teams in first place at the end of January almost always go on to win it, & yet, yet I see a faint glimmer of hope. Not much, not much at all, but the barest suggestion of a glimmer, a trace of it just on the edge of my senses, like the peal of a far away bell caught in the wind.

We have rest periods between games now, which means that the thin squad is less of an issue, that our attackers should be able to shake of this mental malaise that's befallen them, & last night I saw a side that can match the league leaders blow for blow, I saw parts of our game that were promises we can get back to our scintillating best.

Chelsea meanwhile, have rarely looked convincing during this impressive run of results. The results are no less impressive, but the performances aren't, which suggests that they could falter at any time when one or two of their best players drop their levels, which they inevitably will do.

Who knows, some good confidence boosting wins in the next couple of games & Arsenal beating Chelsea could see us in the ascendancy & Chelsea starting to waver.

It's unlikely, I know it is, fuck, it's just as likely that we'll drop points at Hull as we so often do after performing against the better sides in the league, but you know what, fuck it, I can hope, I can dream, & for the next few days at least, so I'm going to.

I don't think it is unreasonable to hope (maybe not "expect") Chelsea to have another period where they struggle and drop points. Why not?

Hope can't kill you
 
Had we won yesterday I would have agreed but now its just about finishing in the top 4 for me.
We have a very good chance and for that to happen we need our closest rivals to drop points.
Chelsea will beat Arsenal at home, I'll be very surprised if that doesnt happen.

With all our players back from injury and international duty I suspect us to hit some form.
Only 3 games in February and we have to take advantage of that. Next game is away to Hull, and that isnt easy. We lost 1-3 the last time we were there.
 
Those of you who are saying it's completely gone, would you feel the same if, for example, we won 4-0 at Hull & Chelsea got beaten by Arsenal?

Neither is unreasonable to imagine, yet would change both our & their mindsets.

I don't expect anything, I just hold out the hope that there's still a chance. I simply don't buy the line that it's set in stone & the only thing we have to hope for is fourth place, not right now with so many games to play & no cup competitions to stretch our squad.
 
I'm generally an optimistic person but I'm more concerned with retaining our spot in the top 4 (may sound unambitious but hey was that not one of the, if not the most, important target at the start of the season?) at the moment to be honest. Man City can go level on points with us if they win today while Man Utd (whom we had a 10 point league after 1/3 of the season) can close the gap on us to 2 points.

Anything is possible until mathematically impossible but too many false dawns or over-optimistic expectations/'on-paper' talk (expecting x no. of points form the upcoming run of 'easy' games kind of threads/discussions) calls for more realism over hope/dream.
 
There is every chance chelsea lose to arsenal as arsenal will be looking to bounce back after losing to watford BUT given our form we are likely to lose to Hull. But if we manage a victory then i still have hope as a 7 or 8 point margin is still possible to catch up. The other thing that gives me hope is that Chelsea dont have another gear and i beleive that they will find it harder against teams fighting to stay up in this second half of the season.
 
I just want to finish third or higher, and with the European schedule coming up for Spurs, City, Arsenal and United, we have a very good chance.
 
I just want to finish third or higher, and with the European schedule coming up for Spurs, City, Arsenal and United, we have a very good chance.

It's hard when expectations have been built, and you almost forget what you thought would happen at the start of the season. I was superbly confident that Mane would be awesome, but the lack of other top quality additions made me predict (expect?) finishing 6th

Although that might have been a frustrated response to how little quality transfer business we did, but either way, a Top 4 finish would be still decent enough, because I fully expected the shock Leicester triumph to be nothing more than an anomaly and the natural order restored.

So with the likes of City, Arsenal, Spurs, United and Chelsea all obviously going to be major threats, it would be still fairly impressive

The Cup exits and fall from the summit have been infuriating, but a reality check is always a good thing.

We've still only lost 3 Premiership games so far
 
It's also worth noting that City are now equal on points, and United not far behind.

And with City finally dropping the fucking car-crash Bravo, you would have to assume that they will improve defensively, and rely on their 200m attack to start winning more games
 
It's hard when expectations have been built, and you almost forget what you thought would happen at the start of the season. I was superbly confident that Mane would be awesome, but the lack of other top quality additions made me predict (expect?) finishing 6th

Although that might have been a frustrated response to how little quality transfer business we did, but either way, a Top 4 finish would be still decent enough, because I fully expected the shock Leicester triumph to be nothing more than an anomaly and the natural order restored.

So with the likes of City, Arsenal, Spurs, United and Chelsea all obviously going to be major threats, it would be still fairly impressive

The Cup exits and fall from the summit have been infuriating, but a reality check is always a good thing.

We've still only lost 3 Premiership games so far

It's impressive, but it's fucking depressing who we've lost those games to.
 
It's also worth noting that City are now equal on points, and United not far behind.

And with City finally dropping the fucking car-crash Bravo, you would have to assume that they will improve defensively, and rely on their 200m attack to start winning more games

Not really - I think Man City are still prone to fuck ups regardless of who plays for them. We are 3 points ahead of them, and hopefully we will beat Hull - they have just had a good result tonight so maybe they will lighten up on Saturday when we face them. I always worry about taking on teams that have just lost a game either at the top or bottom of the league. I hope the other shits above us draw on Saturday/Sunday when they play - it will be good to be in 2nd again.
 
It's impressive, but it's fucking depressing who we've lost those games to.

But that's all part and parcel of having enough genuinely top quality players, and the well-known and endlessly discussed deficiencies in defence and the squad in general.

Klopp and the owners must know that massive investment is required to build a squad that can genuinely win the title
 
I was superbly confident that Mane would be awesome,

Hehe

I'm often unsure if you're serious or just a parody of someone/thing. Amusing either way, I guess.

I think we'll be ok from here. Having both Mane and Coutinho fully fit and firing will help no end. January hasn't been kind to us, obviously, but I believe we'll finish in the top four, and that will represent progress. And progress can only be good.

A big summer awaits...
 
Man City have taken the unusual step of buying a new player who can come into the team and actually be good. Who knows, maybe that might shake things up and provide them with some fresh impetus for the 2nd half of the season.
There are some real brains at these football clubs, amazing.
 
Momentum is everything...it all depends on where we are with 5 games to go...say if we were 4 points behind with 5 to go...I'd back us...
 
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