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isn't very good.

I don't think he has much between his ears. He's reckless, goes out of position, woeful user of the ball.

To think that some on here reckon that he's better than Agger (I know right?). Surely his apologists know better now. As it stands now, he's more of a liability than Lucas is.

I want better. Liverpool FC need better.
 
I thought based on last season him and agger would b an fantastic pairing. However now sadly i realise that he should be a back up, not a starter
 
Last year with a settled back four, and a much more defensive one with arby not Johnson, he and Carra both looked great.

This year, with the full backs pushing on a bit more, and injuries & suspensions galore, our back line has been far from settled. Add to that Carra is having a poor start to the season. Why? Is Skyrtel to blame? Is Carra? Who knows. All I do know is we need to sort it pretty fucking quickly.
 
i think he would be an excellent player in any other team. Our zonal marking doesnt seem to suit him well at all..

I like the guy and believe he is a good defender but like the rest of our team seems to be smoking too much of the wacky backy which is effecting his concentration and reaction times.
 
He's very error-prone.

I've never seen him have one error-free game.

He cost us what 6 million pounds? You get what you paid for I guess.
 
[quote author=dossena link=topic=37363.msg995315#msg995315 date=1258889093]
He's very error-prone.

I've never seen him have one error-free game.

He cost us what 6 million pounds? You get what you paid for I guess.
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agger cost 5.8

thoughts?
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=37363.msg995321#msg995321 date=1258889289]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=37363.msg995315#msg995315 date=1258889093]
He's very error-prone.

I've never seen him have one error-free game.

He cost us what 6 million pounds? You get what you paid for I guess.
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agger cost 5.8

thoughts?
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Undervalued.
 
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[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=37363.msg995321#msg995321 date=1258889289]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=37363.msg995315#msg995315 date=1258889093]
He's very error-prone.

I've never seen him have one error-free game.

He cost us what 6 million pounds? You get what you paid for I guess.
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agger cost 5.8

thoughts?
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Undervalued.
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Behave, since when have we bought an undervalued player!

I think we just got fleeced* for skrtel


*although maybe parry did do somethin right for once
 
[quote author=dossena link=topic=37363.msg995329#msg995329 date=1258889704]
Agger's old club maybe knew something about his injury proneness.
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suppose thats an option. Plus he was only a young defender in a poor league. It's not like the essien scenario.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=37363.msg995331#msg995331 date=1258889774]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=37363.msg995329#msg995329 date=1258889704]
Agger's old club maybe knew something about his injury proneness.
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suppose thats an option. Plus he was only a young defender in a poor league. It's not like the essien scenario.
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It's not, it's because we bought him from a Danish club, and he was a pretty unknown name around the world of football.
 
He was certainly culpable for both goals yesterday all right. On the plus side, seeing as Agger is incapable of playing more than 10 games a season we need some cover.
 
he cant defend from corners or set pieces,weather its down to concentration i dont know,strikers peel off him for fun
 
Skrtel was my man of the match against City. He defended well and kept making positive efforts to get us moving forward by excellent passes to the wings.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=37363.msg995354#msg995354 date=1258891777]
Skrtel was my man of the match against City. He defended well and kept making positive efforts to get us moving forward by excellent passes to the wings.
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You're kidding right? HE basically looked at Adebayor when he was meant to be marking him, then let him have a free header. Towards the end of the game then he was lucky as he stumbled in making his pass. Had a city player been around he would have had a one on one.

I never liked Skrtel from day one. He's wouldn't make it into any of the other teams from the top four.
 
No, Portly isn't kidding. I didn't make Skrtel my MOTM but you two, and others having a go at him, are ignoring plenty of good work he also did during the game, as Portly rightly points out.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=37363.msg995369#msg995369 date=1258892304]
No, Portly isn't kidding. I didn't make Skrtel my MOTM but you two, and others having a go at him, are ignoring plenty of good work he also did during the game, as Portly rightly points out.
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Basically.
 
I play as a defeender myself, if I let someone have a free header like that in the box from a corner I'd be disgusted with myself. Basic schoolboy stuff. The mans a professional footballer playing for liverpool and making mistakes like that. Shouldn't happen. I mean he's marking one of the best attackers in the air ffs, at least fuckin make it difficult for him.

As someone said earlier, he makes too many mistakes, this is Liverpool, not Wolves where these things are expected to happen!
 
IMO he's probably our weakest central defender at the moment.

Culprit for both their goals and more or less all over the place.

I was very glad for him to score and I really hoped it would up his overall game with a bit of confidence. Sadly it didn't.

I'd probably start the Greek alongside Carra come Tuesday even though that doesn't look to good on paper either.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=37363.msg995369#msg995369 date=1258892304]
No, Portly isn't kidding. I didn't make Skrtel my MOTM but you two, and others having a go at him, are ignoring plenty of good work he also did during the game, as Portly rightly points out.
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Anyone making Skrtel MOTM in yesterdays game only saw the 30 sec. where he scored.

He was downright awful in almost every other aspect of the game. And mostly so defensively.

You have made excuses on his behalf before and has often claimed him to be the better defender compared to Agger, so I'm not that surprised if you are defending him really.

It does make you seem a bit crazy though as he's had a horrendous Season so far.

Anyways he does seem like a good lad however and I really hope he can find his feet/form. At this rate he'll be gone by Chrimbo.
 
I've said before that I think without Carra alongside him Skrtel looks lost. Carra's marshalling qualities shouldn't be underestimated. With someone yelling instructions at him Skrtel can be an excellent defender, as we've seen. Without that influence however, he can be almost comical in his decision-making. Slovakia against England was a good example of that.

Of course, one would hope that with so much tuition, he would start to learn for himself after a while. In the meantime however, he has to play with Carra as far as I'm concerned.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37363.msg995414#msg995414 date=1258893871]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=37363.msg995369#msg995369 date=1258892304]
No, Portly isn't kidding. I didn't make Skrtel my MOTM but you two, and others having a go at him, are ignoring plenty of good work he also did during the game, as Portly rightly points out.
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At this rate he'll be gone by Chrimbo.
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I doubt it seeing as Carra has struggled the Greek is Greek and Agger is made of chipsticks.
 
The point is, zonal marking means you guard your zone and the rest of our players mark the dangermen from the opposition.

Now if you watch Citys first goal yesterday, Skrtel guards his zone, but no one is marking Adebayor. Kuyt walks past him, and places himself at the end of the 5 yard line and marks NO ONE.

If Kuyt had picked up Adebayor, there wouldn't be a goal. And if Skrtel had some fucking football intelligence he would have gone for the ball anyway, as it is so close to his zone.

So in fact, I blame both of them. But Adebayor should have been marked by someone else than Skrtel for starters.

I wonder what kind of communication we have regarding defending set pieces.
Before yesterdays game, I would have said; The dangermen are Adebayor, Lescott and Toure on set pieces.

So let's have 3 spesific players that get their man to mark on every set piece. That clearly wasn't the case yesterday. Because then Adebayor woudn't have been left alone.

It shouldn't be that fucking hard....
 
Skrtel has proved that he can be a very good defender, it's just that our defence as a whole has been very poor this season.

I still hold out hope that he'll be a very important player for us in the future.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37363.msg995414#msg995414 date=1258893871]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=37363.msg995369#msg995369 date=1258892304]
No, Portly isn't kidding. I didn't make Skrtel my MOTM but you two, and others having a go at him, are ignoring plenty of good work he also did during the game, as Portly rightly points out.
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Anyone making Skrtel MOTM in yesterdays game only saw the 30 sec. where he scored.

He was downright awful in almost every other aspect of the game. And mostly so defensively.

You have made excuses on his behalf before and has often claimed him to be the better defender compared to Agger, so I'm not that surprised if you are defending him really.

It does make you seem a bit crazy though as he's had a horrendous Season so far.

Anyways he does seem like a good lad however and I really hope he can find his feet/form. At this rate he'll be gone by Chrimbo.
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You recently described yourself as "a modest guy really". Piffle like this shows that you have much to be modest about. Others have raised questions before now about your true motivation for regularly getting on Skrtel's case (if it's excuses for CB failings you're after, you wrote the standard Danish textbook) and certainly your summary of Skrtel's overall performance yesterday shows more bias than the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Unlike you with your poster boy (who BTW has not pulled up any trees either) I've recognised on here that Skrtel's season hasn't been a good one and I've even said Carra looks happier alongside Agger at CB. The difference between us is that I'm not so one-eyed as to ignore what Skrtel CAN do. He's both quicker and more physically imposing than Agger - just ask Dogbreath among others. - and some of his passing yesterday was at least as good as any that Agger's produced in a Liverpool shirt. The problem has been that Carra and Skrtel do not look suited to playing as a combo, whereas Carra and Agger - when they're on their game - do.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=37363.msg995468#msg995468 date=1258898554]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37363.msg995414#msg995414 date=1258893871]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=37363.msg995369#msg995369 date=1258892304]
No, Portly isn't kidding. I didn't make Skrtel my MOTM but you two, and others having a go at him, are ignoring plenty of good work he also did during the game, as Portly rightly points out.
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Anyone making Skrtel MOTM in yesterdays game only saw the 30 sec. where he scored.

He was downright awful in almost every other aspect of the game. And mostly so defensively.

You have made excuses on his behalf before and has often claimed him to be the better defender compared to Agger, so I'm not that surprised if you are defending him really.

It does make you seem a bit crazy though as he's had a horrendous Season so far.

Anyways he does seem like a good lad however and I really hope he can find his feet/form. At this rate he'll be gone by Chrimbo.
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You recently described yourself as "a modest guy really". Piffle like this shows that you have much to be modest about. Others have raised questions before now about your true motivation for regularly getting on Skrtel's case (if it's excuses for CB failings you're after, you wrote the standard Danish textbook) and certainly your summary of Skrtel's overall performance yesterday shows more bias than the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Unlike you with your poster boy (who BTW has not pulled up any trees either) I've recognised on here that Skrtel's season hasn't been a good one and I've even said Carra looks happier alongside Agger at CB. The difference between us is that I'm not so one-eyed as to ignore what Skrtel CAN do. He's both quicker and more physically imposing than Agger - just ask Dogbreath among others. - and some of his passing yesterday was at least as good as any that Agger's produced in a Liverpool shirt. The problem has been that Carra and Skrtel do not look suited to playing as a combo, whereas Carra and Agger - when they're on their game - do.
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Skrtel has played like a bag of old beans for most of the Season no matter what you may think of my motivation to highlight it. I haven't mentioned Agger in my criticism of him mind as he has been either out of form or injured and hasn't exactly excelled so far himself.

All I stated was that you reckon him to be a BETTER defender than Agger and I think he's constantly proving you wrong. That's all.

I was extremely glad when he scored, I said to my friends that we'll now see the true Skrtel defense-wise as well as he would gain a lot of confidence from the goal. How wrong I was.

It's not all Skrtel's fault mind obviously. There's a lot of factors influencing as I've said elsewhere it's just obvious he's not to be trusted at this point hence I'd prefer to Greek alongside Carra untill Agger get's a few games under his belt without bleeding.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=37363.msg995478#msg995478 date=1258898956]
What do you mean he'll be gone by chrimbo? Sold?
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Everyone including me thought that our attack was going to be our weakest area before the Season kicked off.

We were wrong it seems. Even without Gerrard and Torres for more than a few games we've scored more than e.g. United so far.

The main area to strengthen seems after all to be in defense. I know Keni amongst others said this a while back and I disagreed but they were probably right after all.

We've been linked to former taget Kjaer and if we are going for him we'll need to cash in on one or more players. Skrtel could be one to make way (though I actually doubt it).

Recent games haven't exactly increased his value and with the WC coming up, we probably should hold on to him. However does the right player come along and we need another £5M I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=37363.msg995424#msg995424 date=1258895160]
I've said before that I think without Carra alongside him Skrtel looks lost. Carra's marshalling qualities shouldn't be underestimated. With someone yelling instructions at him Skrtel can be an excellent defender, as we've seen. Without that influence however, he can be almost comical in his decision-making. Slovakia against England was a good example of that.

Of course, one would hope that with so much tuition, he would start to learn for himself after a while. In the meantime however, he has to play with Carra as far as I'm concerned.
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We have the single most disorganized defence I have ever seen. How the fuck is Skrtel the only player central on a corner? Yelling, "Out" and "Play it long" is not organization.
 
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