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Should He Stay or Should He Go?

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Apologies if this has been done already in the last few days, want to see what the general feeling is.
From a personal point of view, after the game on tuesday my knee-jerk reaction was that it's time for him to go, and there's way too many parrallels with how Houlliers team ended up. For example, we finished 2nd in the league with Houllier, the following season FC Basel knocked us out of Europe at the group stages of the champions league, plus we finished 5th in the league behind Newcastle and Chelsea in 3rd and 4th respectively. There's a serious danger of something very similar happening this season. Houllier also filled the squad with turnips, something Rafa seems to be doing too, however a lot of these turnips helped get us to 2nd last season.

Basically I reckon if we can beat Utd at the weekend, I feel it will instill a serious amount of belief and confidence into the team, remember the run we went on after hammering them at old trafford, however if we lose this game I can see it affecting the morale and confidence for too long and ruining our chances of the league this early on. So "wait to see what happens on sunday" gets my vote.
 
Until someone better suited to the job becomes available, no.

The job being winning the title,obviously.
 
He should have at least until the end of the season and maybe even one more season.

We are still a work in progress but so far Rafa has brought us - Torres, Agger, Mascher, Reina, Aquilani, Kuyt, Johnson and Benayoun, all of whom are capable of playing in a league winning team.

I know his duds like Dossena, Kronkamp, Lucas etc give his detractors plenty of ammunition but IMO he has signed enough high quality players to keep us progressing (barring the current injury crisis).

Judge us this season when everyone is fit.
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=36638.msg968648#msg968648 date=1256206365]
He should have at least until the end of the season and maybe even one more season.

We are still a work in progress but so far Rafa has brought us - Torres, Agger, Mascher, Reina, Aquilani, Kuyt, Johnson and Benayoun, all of whom are capable of playing in a league winning team.

I know his duds like Dossena, Kronkamp, Lucas etc give his detractors plenty of ammunition but IMO he has signed enough high quality players to keep us progressing (barring the current injury crisis).

Judge us this season when everyone is fit.
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I agree, win lose or draw at the weekend he should be allowed to stay until the end of the season. But if we lose a replacement should be sought to join in the summer as the season will be looking very gloom indeed.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=36638.msg968653#msg968653 date=1256206608]
You should be ashamed Bazza. Ashamed!
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??? Elaboration needed!
 
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=36638.msg968655#msg968655 date=1256206617]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=36638.msg968648#msg968648 date=1256206365]
He should have at least until the end of the season and maybe even one more season.

We are still a work in progress but so far Rafa has brought us - Torres, Agger, Mascher, Reina, Aquilani, Kuyt, Johnson and Benayoun, all of whom are capable of playing in a league winning team.

I know his duds like Dossena, Kronkamp, Lucas etc give his detractors plenty of ammunition but IMO he has signed enough high quality players to keep us progressing (barring the current injury crisis).

Judge us this season when everyone is fit.
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I agree, win lose or draw at the weekend he should be allowed to stay until the end of the season. But if we lose a replacement should be sought to join in the summer as the season will be looking very gloom indeed.
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Hmmm...because that'll be good for morale, everyone and his dog knowing Rafa's the new Martin Jol.
 
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=36638.msg968656#msg968656 date=1256206667]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=36638.msg968653#msg968653 date=1256206608]
You should be ashamed Bazza. Ashamed!
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??? Elaboration needed!
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a : feeling shame, guilt, or disgrace b : feeling inferior or unworthy
Function: Adjective
 
I think Benitez is competent, committed and has done well, especially under the circumstances. Our squad back to full fitness with the addition of Aquilani will see us play better.

The thought that his future should be in question after a dozen games is a needless distraction. Support from fans, hard work in training, a fit squad and some luck on the pitch will see us improve and contend.

It's still early in the season with everything to play for.
 
I haven't lost faith in Rafa at all yet. Last season and so far this season, he has largely done what we all wanted him to all along: cut down on rotation; keep the same basic shape (Sunderland was an exception to the general rule); field a more attacking side against the cannon-fodder at Anfield and go hard at them from the start of the game; sign players for the first team and use the kids to pad out the squad.

The fact that, at the crucial stage in the summer when we needed to build on a very good league season, the manager was not backed financially (I understand why, but still...), and the fact that City, Spurs and Villa have emerged as genuinely strong challengers for the CL places, and the fact that we've had a relatively tough start and the fact that we've suffered badly from injuries and sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
I haven't lost faith in Rafa at all yet. Last season and so far this season, he has largely done what we all wanted him to all along: cut down on rotation; keep the same basic shape (Sunderland was an exception to the general rule); field a more attacking side against the cannon-fodder at Anfield and go hard at them from the start of the game; sign players for the first team and use the kids to pad out the squad.

The fact that, at the crucial stage in the summer when we needed to build on a very good league season, the manager was not backed financially (I understand why, but still...), and the fact that City, Spurs and Villa have emerged as genuinely strong challengers for the CL places, and the fact that we've had a relatively tough start and the fact that we've suffered badly from injuries and sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
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Exactomundo.
 
This is getting ridiculous

Can't all these shite threads be merged?
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
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Bad luck yes, but that was the worst I've seen Liverpool play in years, and to be fair if we really had bad luck against Sunderland we would have got hammered. We were lucky to lose by only 1 goal.

As far as the fickle memory goes, I remember Liverpool being brilliant under Houllier finishing 2nd and unlucky that Arsenal wouldn't slip up in the league, then the next season going on a run similar to what we're in now, finishing 5th, knocked out of champs league before christmas, taking years to recover from.

Fickle yes, but things do change very quickly in football.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36638.msg968689#msg968689 date=1256209593]
This is getting ridiculous

Can't all these shite threads be merged?
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just wanted to see a poll for this one, that's why i started it.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
I haven't lost faith in Rafa at all yet. Last season and so far this season, he has largely done what we all wanted him to all along: cut down on rotation; keep the same basic shape (Sunderland was an exception to the general rule); field a more attacking side against the cannon-fodder at Anfield and go hard at them from the start of the game; sign players for the first team and use the kids to pad out the squad.

The fact that, at the crucial stage in the summer when we needed to build on a very good league season, the manager was not backed financially (I understand why, but still...), and the fact that City, Spurs and Villa have emerged as genuinely strong challengers for the CL places, and the fact that we've had a relatively tough start and the fact that we've suffered badly from injuries and sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
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Or there are those that thought that last season indeed was a huge step in the right direction but that has been tempered by developments during the summer which havent really helped us to build on the huge potential that was there for all to see.
 
He should stay, clearly.

We are in a precarious position right now, as far as CL progress this year and qualification next goes, but the one thing we can virtually guarantee is that Rafa will turn it round and put together a good run - he does this every season so there is no reason to suppose he won't this season, when all our vital players are fit.

It's likely that won't be enough for the title dreams we all held, and who knows it may not be enough full stop, but a new manager comes with no guarantees that any good run could be achieved. Better the devil we know in this case.

With apparently no funding and a threadbare squad I don't see how any other manager, available or not, could do much differently with the playing staff as it is presently. Now is not the time for reckless decisions.

I still firmly believe that Rafa is capable of delivering titles to Liverpool FC, though I suspect in order to do so he's going to have to develop a skill that we haven't really seen from him so far: picking up effective players for low fees, particularly in attacking and midfield positions. I'm disheartened, and god knows after a few performances recently I could happily have fired Rafa out of a cannon, never mind his job, but when that frustration dies down I recognise that our performance last year and all the mitigating factors that stem from the uncertainty over our ownership and future are enough to buy Rafa some patience.
 
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=36638.msg968694#msg968694 date=1256210038]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
I haven't lost faith in Rafa at all yet. Last season and so far this season, he has largely done what we all wanted him to all along: cut down on rotation; keep the same basic shape (Sunderland was an exception to the general rule); field a more attacking side against the cannon-fodder at Anfield and go hard at them from the start of the game; sign players for the first team and use the kids to pad out the squad.

The fact that, at the crucial stage in the summer when we needed to build on a very good league season, the manager was not backed financially (I understand why, but still...), and the fact that City, Spurs and Villa have emerged as genuinely strong challengers for the CL places, and the fact that we've had a relatively tough start and the fact that we've suffered badly from injuries and sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
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Or there are those that thought that last season indeed was a huge step in the right direction but that has been tempered by developments during the summer which havent really helped us to build on the huge potential that was there for all to see.
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But do you blame the manager for those 'developments'?
 
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=36638.msg968691#msg968691 date=1256209894]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
[/quote]

Bad luck yes, but that was the worst I've seen Liverpool play in years, and to be fair if we really had bad luck against Sunderland we would have got hammered. We were lucky to lose by only 1 goal.

As far as the fickle memory goes, I remember Liverpool being brilliant under Houllier finishing 2nd and unlucky that Arsenal wouldn't slip up in the league, then the next season going on a run similar to what we're in now, finishing 5th, knocked out of champs league before christmas, taking years to recover from.

Fickle yes, but things do change very quickly in football.


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True, and if we play as badly this season as Houllier's team did in 2002-03, then Rafa will probably be fired - and deservedly so. I just don't think we're really in that position at the moment.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
I haven't lost faith in Rafa at all yet. Last season and so far this season, he has largely done what we all wanted him to all along: cut down on rotation; keep the same basic shape (Sunderland was an exception to the general rule); field a more attacking side against the cannon-fodder at Anfield and go hard at them from the start of the game; sign players for the first team and use the kids to pad out the squad.

The fact that, at the crucial stage in the summer when we needed to build on a very good league season, the manager was not backed financially (I understand why, but still...), and the fact that City, Spurs and Villa have emerged as genuinely strong challengers for the CL places, and the fact that we've had a relatively tough start and the fact that we've suffered badly from injuries and sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
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Well said.

Sunny, could you jig the forum so that every time Glock, rage, zlatan, OtherCunt, etc. try to post anything, Bunny's post above comes out instead?
 
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=36638.msg968691#msg968691 date=1256209894]


Bad luck yes, but that was the worst I've seen Liverpool play in years, and to be fair if we really had bad luck against Sunderland we would have got hammered. We were lucky to lose by only 1 goal.


Fickle yes, but things do change very quickly in football.


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The worst ?

Ermmm..Stoke away and Middlesborough away last season slip your memory ?

Recall what happened after the Middlesborough debacle ?

We started kicking much arse.

Yes, things do change very quickly in football.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968743#msg968743 date=1256214936]
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=36638.msg968694#msg968694 date=1256210038]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968687#msg968687 date=1256209354]
I haven't lost faith in Rafa at all yet. Last season and so far this season, he has largely done what we all wanted him to all along: cut down on rotation; keep the same basic shape (Sunderland was an exception to the general rule); field a more attacking side against the cannon-fodder at Anfield and go hard at them from the start of the game; sign players for the first team and use the kids to pad out the squad.

The fact that, at the crucial stage in the summer when we needed to build on a very good league season, the manager was not backed financially (I understand why, but still...), and the fact that City, Spurs and Villa have emerged as genuinely strong challengers for the CL places, and the fact that we've had a relatively tough start and the fact that we've suffered badly from injuries and sheer freakish bad luck (that fucking beach ball)... all these facts do not equate, in my view, to Rafa suddenly becoming a bad manager.

Therefore anyone who thought he was the right man at the end of last season, when we were playing better football than anyone else in Europe, surely still has to think he's the right man now. Unless they're just fickle idiots with goldfish-sized memories...
[/quote]

Or there are those that thought that last season indeed was a huge step in the right direction but that has been tempered by developments during the summer which havent really helped us to build on the huge potential that was there for all to see.
[/quote]

But do you blame the manager for those 'developments'?
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He did play a major part in Alonso leaving the club and then replacing him with someone who has yet to kick a ball for the club.
He used the rest of our funds on a full back whilst not addressing other areas which badly needed strengthning. Now a few injuries have left us bemoaning the fact that our squad is no stronger and maybe even weaker than it was last year.

He has to take his fair share of the blame when it comes to our start this season. I'm not in the 'Benitez out' camp but I have become somewhat tired of his excuses with regard to budgets,money,injuries etc. The players that most accept as not being good enough for LFC are all his players, his signings.

Funny enough I do fancy us to get a result on Sunday but feel that it will only serve to paper over the cracks which have appeared this season.

Worrying times.
 
Fair enough. I agree with quite a lot of that, and am far, far from the RCDNW brigade. I just think it's too early to judge the success or otherwise of this season - and silly to blame ALL our shortcomings on one man.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36638.msg968771#msg968771 date=1256218724]
I've accidentally voted Yes, could a Mod please change my vote to No?
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haha. You'll not sleep otherwise!
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=36638.msg968775#msg968775 date=1256218907]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36638.msg968771#msg968771 date=1256218724]
I've accidentally voted Yes, could a Mod please change my vote to No?
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haha. You'll not sleep otherwise!
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I feel dirty.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36638.msg968772#msg968772 date=1256218740]
Fair enough. I agree with quite a lot of that, and am far, far from the RCDNW brigade. I just think it's too early to judge the success or otherwise of this season - and silly to blame ALL our shortcomings on one man.
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Agreed perhaps it is too early and of course our two owners have a lot to answer for.

But we REALLY need a result on Sunday because if things go pear shaped against the Mancs I dread to think the effect that will have on the players who arent exactly full of confidence at present.
 
in Rafa I trust and im not being myopic

we'll be frightening once the top guys are back but unfortunately it's going to be shit until then.
 
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