Share Liverpool.

[calder]

I know it is a dream of many that this could happen but the money needed doesn't seem realistically achievable, I couldn't afford the £5k for the first scheme and even if I could getting the other half on board would be a problem.

The new scheme that is being set up is certainly something that I am on board with and I'm willing to put up £500-£1k. I think most people like myself admittedly seem to be waiting for the figure raised to begin to increase first.

I think my main reason is the painful belief that it just is't going to happen and can just imagine the yanks moving the goal posts if it did. If a reasonable amount of money was raised but not enough to buy, say £100m then how would people feel about 'donating' this money to a potential owner.

Admitedly this sounds rather erratic but share liverpool could interview potential owners, draw up contracts that certain conditions must be met or serious sanctions would occur etc. Its not as if any ofus want a return on our investment anyway.

This would mean that we effectively choose the new owners of the club and they are legally obliged to keep their promises or lose the money.

I certainly wouldn't mind dubaiand this would certaily get them over the obsticle of over valuation.

Basically what I'm saying is even if I didn't have a 'part' of the club physically it would certainly feel that way knowing I have done my bit to have the club run properly. Look at the profit whichwas made by the CLUB the year, would have been happy with that spent on transfers this summer and its increasing every year.

Noticed that there are a few SOS,ShareLFC threads on Rawk and would have liked to have posted there too but i'm not a member but if anyone could i'd appreciate it to see a wider range of opinions.

Also does anyone know what figure was raised/pledged in the original scheme?

Thanks

 

[calder]

Bad idea then ;D

 

[Mystic]

I'd love share LFC to happen and at £500 a pop i'd seriously consider it when I have a full time job if i got a nice shiny plack saying i own part of Liverpool Football Club to put on my wall. Realistically the chances of it happening are tiny and i'd only consider going in when they were about £50million away from getting the money they needed.

 

[Rosco]

I missed this first time around.

The Share Liverpool scheme started out as a good idea, but have you looked at their current proposals ?

The club would still be partially financed by debt, which is one of the main problem most people seem to have with the Yanks.
They want to bring in commercial investors, immediately there would be a conflict of motives. Their motive is profit pure and simple whereas ours is to see what's best for the club happen.

Shareholding fans would be given a return of 2%, they don't say if that's every year or when it occurs but wouldn't that also be better off in the transfer kitty ?

They also value the club at £250m. They somehow think the Yanks will accept this ? Are they a bit soft in the head or what ?

The original was a good idea, that was practically impossible to get going. So they have gone for some half arsed measure that wouldn't solve the two main complaints - debt and a lack of a stadium.

Oh and Bernard O'Byrne is involved. He's a fucking idiot.

 

[calder]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35354.msg929835#msg929835 date=1250874286]
I missed this first time around.

The Share Liverpool scheme started out as a good idea, but have you looked at their current proposals ?

The club would still be partially financed by debt, which is one of the main problem most people seem to have with the Yanks.
They want to bring in commercial investors, immediately there would be a conflict of motives. Their motive is profit pure and simple whereas ours is to see what's best for the club happen.

Shareholding fans would be given a return of 2%, they don't say if that's every year or when it occurs but wouldn't that also be better off in the transfer kitty ?

They also value the club at £250m. They somehow think the Yanks will accept this ? Are they a bit soft in the head or what ?

The original was a good idea, that was practically impossible to get going. So they have gone for some half arsed measure that wouldn't solve the two main complaints - debt and a lack of a stadium.

Oh and Bernard O'Byrne is involved. He's a fucking idiot.
[/quote]

Completely agree, thats why I thik the idea of donating the money to a suitable investor just to get the filth out. Obviously we could see what the candidates have to offer the vote, much like barca,real except they would actually be the owners. Could also be wrote into any deal that the £100m or whatever we raise needs to be spent on transfers first 3 years or something similar. We need to do something which will get us some attention and interest.

Right now I don't care if the yanks make their quick buck, just want them out,

 

[cochyn]

[quote author=calder link=topic=35354.msg929848#msg929848 date=1250874734]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35354.msg929835#msg929835 date=1250874286]
I missed this first time around.

The Share Liverpool scheme started out as a good idea, but have you looked at their current proposals ?

The club would still be partially financed by debt, which is one of the main problem most people seem to have with the Yanks.
They want to bring in commercial investors, immediately there would be a conflict of motives. Their motive is profit pure and simple whereas ours is to see what's best for the club happen.

Shareholding fans would be given a return of 2%, they don't say if that's every year or when it occurs but wouldn't that also be better off in the transfer kitty ?

They also value the club at £250m. They somehow think the Yanks will accept this ? Are they a bit soft in the head or what ?

The original was a good idea, that was practically impossible to get going. So they have gone for some half arsed measure that wouldn't solve the two main complaints - debt and a lack of a stadium.

Oh and Bernard O'Byrne is involved. He's a fucking idiot.
[/quote]

Completely agree, thats why I thik the idea of donating the money to a suitable investor just to get the filth out. Obviously we could see what the candidates have to offer the vote, much like barca,real except they would actually be the owners. Could also be wrote into any deal that the £100m or whatever we raise needs to be spent on transfers first 3 years or something similar. We need to do something which will get us some attention and interest.

Right now I don't care if the yanks make their quick buck, just want them out,
[/quote]

That's a little short sighted calder. i would rather them than a situation where the team is financed in a worse manner than we are now!!

 

[Rosco]

I'm not bothered who is in charge so long as things move forward for the club. SOS are on a crusade against the Yanks, fine let them do that. But anyone else taking over is unlikely to be in a position to improve things in the club more than the Yanks already have. (Barring some generous billionaire taking over)

I've always thought that the best way forward right now is for Share Liverpool, solely financed by fans, to take a stake in the club.

If they could raise 150m , buy say a 35%-40% stake in the club - that could immediately be used to start the stadium. With that sort of equity present we'd be in a much better position to borrow the remainder to cover the rest of the building costs.
We'd also be guaranteed that fans would be represented on the board. We may be outvoted, but we'd also be privy to the full details of what's going on at the club, so the Yanks would have to behave from then on.

It's not ideal, but in my opinion that's what is best for LFC right now

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35354.msg929858#msg929858 date=1250875250]
I'm not bothered who is in charge so long as things move forward for the club. SOS are on a crusade against the Yanks, fine let them do that. But anyone else taking over is unlikely to be in a position to improve things in the club more than the Yanks already have. (Barring some generous billionaire taking over)

I've always thought that the best way forward right now is for Share Liverpool, solely financed by fans, to take a stake in the club.

If they could raise 150m , buy say a 35%-40% stake in the club - that could immediately be used to start the stadium. With that sort of equity present we'd be in a much better position to borrow the remainder to cover the rest of the building costs.
We'd also be guaranteed that fans would be represented on the board. We may be outvoted, but we'd also be privy to the full details of what's going on at the club, so the Yanks would have to behave from then on.

It's not ideal, but in my opinion that's what is best for LFC right now
[/quote]

Indeed so , you neglected to point out in your previous post that the latest deal involved Share Liverpool having a majority shareholding and a partner investor having a minority shareholding. As I said before who would be soft enough to buy in (at any price) and have a load of lefty ex shop stewards calling the shots...not many is the answer.

regards

 

[Rosco]

Yup. Very true.

 

[Boozer]

Even if they did raise £150m and the Yanks sold 35-40%, it would go straight into their pocket and the stadium would still be a pipe-dream.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Boozer link=topic=35354.msg929953#msg929953 date=1250890922]
Even if they did raise £150m and the Yanks sold 35-40%, it would go straight into their pocket and the stadium would still be a pipe-dream.
[/quote]

Yeah it certainly could.

But they might see the bigger picture, knowing that once the stadium is built and tickets sold they have a much more valuable business.