Rodgers out !!!

[LarryHagman]

I'm not having a go at Rodgers but all this possession nonsense and attempts on goal is getting out of hand.
Passing the ball to each other from one side of the pitch then passing it back is not dominating. It might lead to a nice looking possession stat but it is nothing football. The opposition must love it.
Similarly, playng a through ball that goes out for a goal kick or blasting a row zedder from 35 years should hardly contribute to a worthwhile description of an "attempt on goal" like I'm sure they do now.
Both create a completely false snapshot of the game.
We played OK in short spells against Villa but Villa completely deserved the win.
29 goal attempts and 70% possession? Fuck off.

 

[gkmacca]

I'm not having a go at Rodgers but all this possession nonsense and attempts on goal is getting out of hand.
Passing the ball to each other from one side of the pitch then passing it back is not dominating. It might lead to a nice looking possession stat but it is nothing football. The opposition must love it.
Similarly, playng a through ball that goes out for a goal kick or blasting a row zedder from 35 years should hardly contribute to a worthwhile description of an "attempt on goal" like I'm sure they do now.
Both create a completely false snapshot of the game.
We played OK in short spells against Villa but Villa completely deserved the win.
29 goal attempts and 70% possession? Fuck off.

You're quite right, Larry, but you're going to get nothing but carping for saying it.

 

[Tal]

He'd sit down one on one and not only slag players off but suggest what details could be written about them to damn them with an air of real authority. Maybe some fans would agree with the details but I hope many more would be appalled at such a tactic. And to their credit quite a few hacks were so taken aback they ignored it. But if you read between the lines these days you'll spot the ones who now have his card marked.

Is this generally known or something you know from being closer to the actual event?

 

[gene hughes]

I can't believe he's opened the envelopes before Christmas!!!

 

[gkmacca]

It's False Christmas.

 

[localny]

Shocking title thread.

 

[Ryan]

Had we won on Saturday, this forum would be all over us as nailed-on Top 4 certainties. As it is, we lost and Rodgers deserves to go.

We're a week-by-week proposition with regards to support these days. It's pathetic really.

 

[localny]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/D1E6/rafa

 

[RedZeppelin III]

i won't lie , i'm still confused with how rodgers ended up with the job in the first place . Was he really all we could attract ? I don't care what anyone says , hiring a manager with that little experience to handle rebuilding the a club of our size and ambition was always a gamble . Yeah yeah , Shanks , paisley, fagan ...bollocks , not the same at all for a multitude of reasons .

But that's not to say Rodgers isn't something special , perhaps he is . So far though he and the team aren't exactly pulling up trees and there are more issues then there were when he took over . Of course not all of these are his fault but it's his job to improve things and lets be truly honest , so far not much has improved . So then i guess it comes down to how patient we are and if there are enough signs his methods are working . Only the owners and their simpleton Ayre know what the levels of expectations are versus timescale . Even then though , i don't trust them to get that right either .

And on the point that we can't keep changing manager , i agree ....but what if you keep putting shit managers in ? Surely you just don't stick with them because some "football management for dummies" ideology says so ? .

 

[localny]

Liverpool FC suffers from chronic low self esteem: that's why we can't attract any others. We are a sad supermodel in her 40s remembering the good old days, forgetting there's a ton of suitors out there that would kill to get us back on the runway

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

We had that chance to get a special manager in, FSG fucked up. And now that chance has passed.

 

[iseered]

Had we won on Saturday, this forum would be all over us as nailed-on Top 4 certainties. As it is, we lost and Rodgers deserves to go.

We're a week-by-week proposition with regards to support these days. It's pathetic really.

Pretty much this. If one game halfway through the season changes everything for you, then perhaps you need to get back on the lithium.

 

[jexykrodic]

I have no idea why the team is so brittle. Is it a management issue or lack of character in the players?

As for Brendan Rodgers he's been in and around football and football players and top class Managers for long enough to know tactics and formations. I've no doubt he has the necessary coaching badges etc etc.

What does appear to be astray is the certain knowledge we fans have that when the team takes to the field each week we have absolutely no idea what is going to be served up. Why is that? Are they confused?, apathetic? tired and emotional? I'm baffled.

I hope this new head doctor we've hired knows some good brain shit because we look all over the place.

 

[Fox]

It's not Rodgers fault we sold all those strikers

Let's judge him at the end of the season.

didn't we hear get AVB out last month, fans are so fickle these days

 

[mark1975]

You're quite right, Larry, but you're going to get nothing but carping for saying it.

No one's getting a carping, you're exaggerating, the only thing people are taking offense to is fans calling for his head, and posters with clear agenda's twisting everything they can to put the boot in, especially when it can't be backed up.

 

[tony]

Had we won on Saturday, this forum would be all over us as nailed-on Top 4 certainties. As it is, we lost and Rodgers deserves to go.

We're a week-by-week proposition with regards to support these days. It's pathetic really.

Has it ever been any different?

The thing that annoys me most is the similarity of the goals we are conceding - you would have thought the coaching staff would have sorted out the ACRES of space we leave between the midfield and defence when we have the ball in the oppo's half. As soon as we loose possession we are so easy to play around it fucking hurts my eyes. Surely Rogers can see this , to not address it is criminal

 

[Fabio]

Has it ever been any different?

The thing that annoys me most is the similarity of the goals we are conceding - you would have thought the coaching staff would have sorted out the ACRES of space we leave between the midfield and defence when we have the ball in the oppo's half. As soon as we loose possession we are so easy to play around it fucking hurts my eyes. Surely Rogers can see this , to not address it is criminal

the idea is that we're meant t oclose down in the opposition half, but no one does it. Luis does, shelvey tries, but no one else can be arsed. The lack of closing down IMMEDIATELY and the midfield remaining static allows us to be passed through with ease.

Yes lucas could arguably sitting deeper to try and fill the space, however if gerrard/allen/sterling etc closed down better, most attacks would get nipped in the bud

 

[Farkmaster]

I've never had a season where I've been less carried away when we win, and I'm not saying this sort of apathy is laudable, but it does allow me to see the team for what it is, and not expect more.

This team is riddled with players who have not consistently scored goals at any point in their career, and never will. Goal scoring was the glaring deficiency most of us would have pointed out, in the most simplistic terms, this last summer. We didn't bring in goals, we let goals go, we didn't even get backup for the only goals we have, and Gerrard is a year older. That's our team.

I've liked the way we've lost and drawn games more than I did the last couple years, because there does seem to be the imposition of a type of football which could work with the introduction of some great players. That's not exactly something to cheer about though. And in the meantime, if it is a meantime, this is the sort of football that can lose ugly and expose the defense, so when you execute it with one real credible attacking talent, it's not going to go very well.

We'll plod our way to 8th or something, when we win a couple people will get their hopes up, when we lose they'll feel their expectations are betrayed somehow, when if you zoom out our form has been consistent for some time now.

LWDDLDWLWWLDWWDLDLDWDDLWWL

 

[Insignificance]

Pretty much this. If one game halfway through the season changes everything for you, then perhaps you need to get back on the lithium.

It is not one single game. Idf you zoom it out and look at our season so far, we have been brutally saved by the exceptional form of Suarez throughout the whole autumn. As soon as he has a day off, we look like what we are.

We were supposed to have an ambitious sytem allowing us to work our way through the field in triangles, setting up players in good positions. This demands energy and movement, and since the City game it has clearly been gone.

We were supposed to be as possesion oriented that we hardly would let in goals... Yeah right.

We have not taken a single step forward (yeah I know we are not supposed to expect anything for the next 4 years or so since we are in transition). Why on earth did we need Rodgers if he doesn't know what he want?

We were supposed to have a clear philosophy which meant certain players had to leave. They have ended up ahead of Rodgers own players in the pecking order...

Sacking Kenny D for this is pathetic.

 

[Mors]

It is not one single game. Idf you zoom it out and look at our season so far, we have been brutally saved by the exceptional form of Suarez throughout the whole autumn. As soon as he has a day off, we look like what we are.
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Well, to be fair, he had a day off and we scored 3..........

Neither nor there though, we need more goal scoring players in to replace Carroll, Bellamy, Kuyt, Maxi, Merieles which got shipped out without replacing their goals/threat.

 

[tony]

the idea is that we're meant t oclose down in the opposition half, but no one does it. Luis does, shelvey tries, but no one else can be arsed. The lack of closing down IMMEDIATELY and the midfield remaining static allows us to be passed through with ease.

Yes lucas could arguably sitting deeper to try and fill the space, however if gerrard/allen/sterling etc closed down better, most attacks would get nipped in the bud

Exactly right - and its happened over and over and over again, you would think they would have this drilled down by now, the lack of movement just drives me mad.

 

[mark1975]

It is not one single game. Idf you zoom it out and look at our season so far, we have been brutally saved by the exceptional form of Suarez throughout the whole autumn. As soon as he has a day off, we look like what we are.

We were supposed to have an ambitious sytem allowing us to work our way through the field in triangles, setting up players in good positions. This demands energy and movement, and since the City game it has clearly been gone.

We were supposed to be as possesion oriented that we hardly would let in goals... Yeah right.

We have not taken a single step forward (yeah I know we are not supposed to expect anything for the next 4 years or so since we are in transition). Why on earth did we need Rodgers if he doesn't know what he want?

We were supposed to have a clear philosophy which meant certain players had to leave. They have ended up ahead of Rodgers own players in the pecking order...

Sacking Kenny D for this is pathetic.

Philosophies take time to instill, it doesn't happen over night and when you don't get the right backing from those above, it becomes doubly difficult.

Once again you trip over your own argument. Letting Kenny go was pathetic, but Rodgers trying to utilise the players he left behind is wrong?? And who are these players who are getting ahead of Rodgers own signings? Stop exaggerating your point because what you're trying to say is clearly, undeniably incorrect. Aside from Assaidi, everyone else has figured. Sahin has had injuries and has vied for a spot against other players - not just Allen, but Gerrard, Shelvey, Suso, Henderson and Lucas. He shouldn't be expected or allowed to just walk into the team, particularly when what appearances he has made have largely been a mixed bag underlined by a reluctance to stamp his authority on the midfield.

So I ask again, who are these Kenny signings that are getting ahead of his own players? Oh.. you mean Stewart Downing. Right, that's loads that is. If you care to mention Henderson, it's rightful to point out that he's been one of our better performers this season when he has played. Yesterday you said he hasn't really played kids, Macca says he's only played kids cos he's had to, which is clearly not just bending the truth, but fabricating events.

So the two main antagonists in this thread have provided us with complete unsubstantiated bullshit and a half cocked story that can't be backed up.

Next!

 

[gkmacca]

Clearly??? Because you say it? Thanks very much Socrates.

 

[Mors]

How Rodgers can be blamed for the club getting rid of Carroll, Bellamy, Maxi, Kuyt, Merieles - god only knows.
I wonder how we'd be doing if he had those players to choose from.
The only cock up I can see that he made in relation to that, was to not bring in a proven striker as a priority before he even started looking at players like Allen, Bornini, Sahin, Assaidi etc.
But I believe he was misled by Ayre and the board regards to that, I think they told him they would defo replace Carroll if he went out on loan.

 

[gkmacca]

So Rodgers is a manager to whom things happen? What is he - a glove puppet? Not a great bit of PR. Must try harder!

 

[RedZeppelin III]

How Rodgers can be blamed for the club getting rid of Carroll, Bellamy, Maxi, Kuyt, Merieles - god only knows.
I wonder how we'd be doing if he had those players to choose from.
The only cock up I can see that he made in relation to that, was to not bring in a proven striker as a priority before he even started looking at players like Allen, Bornini, Şahin, Assaidi etc.
But I believe he was misled by Ayre and the board regards to that, I think they told him they would defo replace Carroll if he went out on loan.

Dempsey was meant to come in . That was his plan all summer . he's the only player we missed out on . So i guess it depends on how highly you rate dempsey , personally i don't think he'd have made a big difference . Infact let's be honest , not getting a striker in has given rodgers some extra breathing room , time and kept fans off his back and put focus on the owners . He himself has mentioned how he expects to improve when extra forwards come in . It's what everyone is waiting for but it will be interesting to see the reaction if he gets them and we are still shite , watch the pressure grow .

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Dempsey wasn't the only player we missed out on though, and you're ignoring the bit about giving Carroll away.

regards

 

[Mors]

Dempsey was meant to come in . That was his plan all summer . he's the only player we missed out on . So i guess it depends on how highly you rate dempsey , personally i don't think he'd have made a big difference . Infact let's be honest , not getting a striker in has given rodgers some extra breathing room , time and kept fans off his back and put focus on the owners . He himself has mentioned how he expects to improve when extra forwards come in . It's what everyone is waiting for but it will be interesting to see the reaction if he gets them and we are still shite , watch the pressure grow .

What about Sturridge?

 

[RedZeppelin III]

Dempsey wasn't the only player we missed out on though, and you're ignoring the bit about giving Carroll away.

regards

sorry i don't get your point about carroll at all , how am ignoring it ? one way or the other he was going , the plan seemed to be to replace him with Dempsey at the very least. that didn't come off / owners fucked it up .

anyway i am sure you are as bored of this as me , we can't change it , let's see what happens in january and next summer .

 

[Rafiagra]

what i dont get is that of the players we missed out on, we didn't/don't need them anyway.

We are now after wide forwards, neither of which Dempsey or Sigurdsson are, or could Carroll play. Even if we had made those signings, I doubt we'd be much better off.

We need Gerrard getting chances as he's the one player we have who can score goals, but he can't risk getting in those positions too often as it leves us way too exposed.