Rodgers out !!!
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I have given him time. i have praised him for some of the changes he has done. And I have been fair without to much critisism.
But what we see now is a clueless team with no progress at all. people are still blaming King Kenny for the bullshit we see playing these days. that is pathetic.
Last season we were unlucky, and we made some huge mistakes that cost us. But we still dominated games, and created plentyful while we were hard to break down.
This season we hardly produce anything, we dont put anyone inside the box, we have no attacking rythm and the opposition seem to score as soon as they get the ball.....
So what is the plan? What is our system? Where will the attacking rythm come from?
Brendan has not taken us a single step forward. I dont buy the bullshit about transition phase and just wait and see.... Wait for what? Who the hell know what we actually are waiting for? Give us a few years, and we might become the Swansea we all dreamt about? This job is obviously to big for Rodgers. He is not taking the team anywhere, and all we do seem to be based on pure coincidens and luck. Yeah we were on a Unbeaten run. It didnt mean we were on a winning streak, and it didnt mean we were outplaying others.
Countless times he Rodgers has had to shuffle his team around before and during half time. This has by many been seen as a man that dare to take actions when things aint working out. For me it is a clear sign that this is a man that doesnt really know what things are supposed to look like.
The problem wasn't Rodgers resisting a DofF. He had every right seeing as FSG courted him. The mistake was FSG bowing to his demands. That was an outrageous gamble, and no wonder they've gone to ground since they made it, the cowardly creeps. They've basically turned the lights out and are waiting until people stop knocking at their door. It's astounding there's not more alarm at their apparent apathy. They were the soundbite MVPs last year.
I think thats wrong on so many levels tbh. We've been better and created more chances then the opposition in most games this season. Last year it was hitting the posts, this year its getting penalties and offside goals. But thats life, it will hopefully change and we cant moan about it anymore.
We're lacking some quality attackers which is essential to any system with wide players. We've played players out of position for years now. Cole/Suso/Shelvey, all of them should play behind the striker.
Downing isnt good enough, Borini is a striker and that leaves Sterling and Suarez.
Given him time? 4 months is enough to judge him? Fuck me.
We're lacking some quality attackers which is essential to any system with wide players. We've played players out of position for years now. Cole/Suso/Shelvey, all of them should play behind the striker.
Downing isnt good enough, Borini is a striker and that leaves Sterling and Suarez.
Given him time? 4 months is enough to judge him? Fuck me.
I don't want him out by he is giving me more concerns as the days go by.
Last season we couldn't score, he would have seen this yet he spunks most of his cash on an average midfielder for 15 million when we already have an abundance of average midfielders. What has Allen brought that Henderson or Adam or Shelvey or Gerrard or any of the other hundred midfielders can't do?
Also, could Rodgers be the first of the new breed of managers where he is all media soundbites and PR over any actual tacitical nous ?
Last season we couldn't score, he would have seen this yet he spunks most of his cash on an average midfielder for 15 million when we already have an abundance of average midfielders. What has Allen brought that Henderson or Adam or Shelvey or Gerrard or any of the other hundred midfielders can't do?
Also, could Rodgers be the first of the new breed of managers where he is all media soundbites and PR over any actual tacitical nous ?
So what has these 4 months showed you?
For me these 4 months has shown that he has taken a job that is to early for him. He has not a clear vision on how he is going to utilize a squad filled with internationals to perform to its best. And the worst is that it seems to be uncertainty on both how we shall attack nd defend.
Goalie situation- Reina is having a nightmare season, and Jones is not a real contender. Somehow it seem like we will let in goals every time the opposition have the ball, and Rodgers has not managed to get the best out the goalies.
Defence- 3 defenders, wing backs, youngsters, Coates or Carragher... There is absolutely no consistence to how we are defending ourselves, how we line up, who is in line to step in etc etc. I honestly dont believe that Rodgers knows what our best defence is. Over 4 months we have tried more different shit than I knew we had. Using Liverpool FC to test out how a team shall defend? Fuck it. Repeat repeat and repeat is the way to get things done. And if you go for a 4 man defence, you dont change that to a wing back system as soon as one is out. You just replace the guy that is out with someone else, and keep on playing as you have done.
Midfield- After deciding that Sahin was the one that fit in to a possesion based system, he has fallen behind Joe Cole and Jordan Henderson in the pecking order. That is two players Rodgers had decided that did not fit into the system. But a coincident has shuffled all his plans around, and they are now likely to figure more often than Sahin. Shelvey had a good run central, got a ban and since then he has hardly played any games there. Allen and Gerrard has delivered nada all season, still they are picked again and again and again.... We have changed between 1 and 2 DMs we have changed between passing ability and running ability. We have changed and changed and the only thing we can really see a pattern in is that the midfield has hardly offered the defence any support the whole season.
Attack- Thin squad, but still. Sterling need a break, but will not get one until he signs the new deal. Suso played out of position, then he was praised as the new number 10 and should get time there. He started the next game, was taken ofafter 32 minutes, and since noone have seen him. Assaidi has shown proof that he can add some pace to our game, and still he is never used from the bench in games we really scream for some wide alternatives. Suarez is the whole attack and he is starting to show signs of fatigue. No help in the box, no help outside the box either. Are we better in a 4-3-3 or with someone accompagning Suarez? Rodgers doesnt know, and he is still looking for what a good setup could look like.
So a nice 4 months have seen us drop out of the League cup, establish ourself in the bottom half of the table (still within a shout for 2nd or even 1st place in the league according to certain sources) and are mainly using our squad to give opposition some hard needed self confidence. After 4 months there is no sign of attacking rythm, it is no sign of the much talked about system and there is absolutely no sign of having a well functional midfield. What exactly are you expecting to happen over the next 4 months?
This really annoys me to be honest. Throwing a kid into a game and publicly embarrassing him by bringing him off that early is not my idea of developing youngsters.. I'm not sure if he did the same thing with Wisdom or if he was injured, but it shouldn't happen.
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Eh? Has he been that bad? He's performed well but his general level has seen him make some mistakes, no more than Reina. Reina has been piss poor for a while, so I don't get why that's Rodgers responsibility.
Again, bollocks. You must have forgotten what happened. And what the hell is the distinction supposed to prove, even if it was true? This year we've "progressed" by not hitting the post or bar but calling for more pens and claiming offside goals? Mindboggling. So: let's not be indulgent about last season but let's be about this season? That's about the kindest take on it I can see.
The truth as ever is somewhere in between. We weren't magnificent last year either, we didn't actually create many proper chances, just pop shots and throwing the ball into the box aimlessly. We've been alot closer to Kenny's first six months this season than last, allbeit far too infrequently, and at other times it's just been more of the same, clueless punts forward and too many players making the wrong decision at key moments. Quelle surprise given it's practically the same squad.
So what have we forgotten? You were saying earlier that during our recent unbeaten run, no one could have been happy with the results, yet have been quick in the past to point out the League Cup win. Remind us how we played then? It's all just a much of a muchness really, same squad, same performances, same results. Go figure.
Yes. It was all just pop shots. So brilliantly fair I demand you walk around all year in a judge's wig.
I'm not saying it was, but it wasn't drastically different to now. We don't carve open opportunities now and we didn't then.
Vastly better as far as I'm concerned. I'd trade that any day.
Yes, you are, you've just changed it because the absurdity of it has just sunk in.
Come on Macca, we didn't turn up, but we won. So it doesn't really matter does it? Just like it doesn't matter than we didn't blow the Premiership apart on our unbeaten run, but we picked up the points.
Absurd, yeah ok. Course it is, it's absurd to suggest that we were for the most part huffing and puffing but not really creating anything concrete. Just like now.
I just don't believe you believe that, or your memory's that bad.
Brilliant, then, that we're so far down the table this year, even though it's such a shit league this year, even fucking NORWICH can speed up it!
I don't think it's drastically different to now Macca, we had a lot of possession and dominated games, but didn't create much in terms of carving teams open. Like I said, the truth was in the middle, we weren't battering teams but we were having alot of the ball. That's not that different to now - my gripe is that if Kenny deserved another season, after faltering and spending more money than Rodgers, and with the benefit of knowing the club inside out and already having a 6 month bedding in period, why is Rodgers being judged so harshly after 4 months and more of the same, with alot less money spent? It all just seems to go back to people being sore about Kenny leaving. I was too but I'm not going to rate Rodgers differently because it didn't quite work out with the one person most deserving of success with us. I want us to improve and I want Rodgers to do well, but to achieve that he needs cutting some slack.
Nice of you to leave out the part were I say we shouldnt moan about it. And it was to show that we can find something to excuse our lack of goals. It shouldnt be used this year nor last year.
Whatever suits your agenda against Rodgers.
Because he's briefing against his own players like some pub team geek who can't quite believe the buck stops with him - no other LFC manager would ever have stooped so low, including Hodgson - and if you put that over-mobile mouth of his on silent so far you'd just see pragmatism posing as a plan, and not a coherent plan either. If other people want to bed in hypocritical cowards, great. I don't.
I can't remember the last time we were dominating teams like we are now, so I'm not sure if we're worse than ever before. Granted, Allen, Borini, Assaidi and Sahin are doing fuck all at the moment, but all of Kenny's signings did fuck all for a whole season, so if one or two of the above have a couple of good games they'll be infront of the curve.
I honestly think we're not far short of being very very good, if we could just convert some of our chances. A goal scorer or two in Jan and I think we'll be laughing the 2nd half of the season.
That comment was praising Rodgers for the sake of praising him. Right up there with giving him credit for turning up to work on time and dressing appropriately for the office.
What players has he briefed against? Joe Cole?
Holding onto possession doesn't equal dominating in my book
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