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Rodgers out !!!
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Amen to that.
Yep, and some of the ones we want to keep need benching.
What's stopping them all going together in one go? Why does there need to be a before, and an after? Someone needs to sit down and identify all the cunts employed by the club, then whack them all on the same evening.
I wouldn't want the new players anywhere near Rodgers or else he will get his stinking hands on them and ruin them. Then the next guy will have a whole set of new players to whack. You'll be there all fucking night digging holes.
He never actually said that though. He said we were 11 points off 2nd place - and that was the resultant headline.
It's not very complicated. We have a couple of very good players and some average ones. Middle table is about right for us. We are handicapped by our squad and also incompetent owners.
On BR, he has no clue how to set up a team defensively. As a result we will ship goals.
On BR, he has no clue how to set up a team defensively. As a result we will ship goals.
It's a nothing statement, and doesn't deserve the attention it's getting.
Rodgers is in no way immune from criticism and if the only excuse people can offer up is that he took charge of some terrible group of players that are on some kind of uncontrollable downward spiral than they are just burying their heads in the sand. Blind optimism doesn't make you a better supporter.
I'm not sold on the whole idea of Rodgers system and philosophy just because I've been fed a few sound bites on TV and in the press. Just like I wasn't when everyone was fucking waffling on about "moneyball" and pretending they knew what kind of players FSG would and wouldn't want us signing - how has that worked out for all of you? Do you still think you know what FSG's "moneyball" means?
The squad isn't and hasn't been as bad as is made out. We have some quality players still, certainly better than the likes of West Ham and Norwich who are above us in table. Fucking Norwich and fucking West Ham. These teams would gladly take some of the players we despise, like Downing, off our hands and make use of them nevermind some of the others. The sad truth is that we have a bunch of players not playing to their potential and that falls squarely at the feet of Rodgers.
If this wonderful system that we've seen little evidence of comes together in 18 months time and we look brilliant, great. I'll be as happy as anyone. For now though, let's call a spade, a spade - Rodgers is underperforming.
I'm not sold on the whole idea of Rodgers system and philosophy just because I've been fed a few sound bites on TV and in the press. Just like I wasn't when everyone was fucking waffling on about "moneyball" and pretending they knew what kind of players FSG would and wouldn't want us signing - how has that worked out for all of you? Do you still think you know what FSG's "moneyball" means?
The squad isn't and hasn't been as bad as is made out. We have some quality players still, certainly better than the likes of West Ham and Norwich who are above us in table. Fucking Norwich and fucking West Ham. These teams would gladly take some of the players we despise, like Downing, off our hands and make use of them nevermind some of the others. The sad truth is that we have a bunch of players not playing to their potential and that falls squarely at the feet of Rodgers.
If this wonderful system that we've seen little evidence of comes together in 18 months time and we look brilliant, great. I'll be as happy as anyone. For now though, let's call a spade, a spade - Rodgers is underperforming.
How on earth can you say Rodgers is underperforming after what you've seen today, he can't go out there and play it for them. The players need to fucking man up. He's got us playing the right way, keeping the ball, passing it, keeping it on the ground, dominating every team we play. The players need to concentrate (defenders), use the skills they've got to create (midfielders) and finish the fucking umpteen chances they get every game (Suarez etal).
Everyone gets their cock out over sterling every week - why doesn't he lay on a few one on ones or tap ins every week? Why doesn't our world class striker finish his chances? Why does our fucking world class pair of centre backs that have just earned massive paydays keep getting rolled over by wank strikers every week? They're not trying hard enough the bunch of cunts.
They need some competition for their places, because at the moment they're fucking sloppy.
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This isn't about losing today, it's about being in the bottom half of the table. If he can't get the players to play to their potential (and more) then what good is he? The buck stops with the manager.
The players have got to want it, do you honestly look at them and see them WANTING it? I fucking don't. They have to be desperate to win, it's a mentality. They have to leave everything out there on that pitch, and they're not. That isn't Rodgers fault. We need more players with Kuyt's mentality, he may have been fucking shit with a football, but you could never accuse him of not trying, not wanting it, not giving it his all for 90mins.
These players are swanning round the pitch like 'its just a game of football'. Unless Rodgers threatens them with a knife to their throat, I'm not sure how he can change that.
We also need a leader of men out there, and we've not got one.
In my humble opinion people are over-reacting to this defeat. Our team isn't that bad because we were all over Villa for most of the game. The main problem was just poor finishing, which isn't surprising as we haven't got a proven striker available at the moment. Suarez will score the odd goal but he isn't the clinical type of striker we need. Another problem is that Rodgers' eccentric idea of playing Downing at left back isn't successful although he is persisting with it. It seems unecessary as we could play Wisdom at RB and Johnson at LB.
I think Downing was the least of our problems today.
I hope it's just so he can sell Downing for a bit more next month.
Some good points Keni. But I wouldnt call it blind optimism nor would I describe it has burying our heads in the sand.
Rodgers isnt immune to critisism, and its important that he also learns from his mistakes.
Now, what I do question, is people making a judgement after 4 months and not having the patience to let him have a fair crack at putting his stamp on his team. Its not done over night and there will be hick ups along the way. Just look at Everton. Moyes lauds the two last transfer windows to why they are getting results. They got the players and balance right.
We desperatly need to get our transfers spot on.
We do have some quality players, but we also have some gaping holes the size of Madagascar in the squad.
Underperforming or not. We need to install a winning mentality again in this team. Losing should hurt.
Last year we also had Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi and now we have... Suarez.
Don't start talking sense on here, you'll be on a whooshing-fest.
People seem to think that an over-the-hill gerrard, a 10yr old sterling, and stuart fucking downing are going to replace those lot and their goals.
All rodgers fault 🙄
It's only progress from a wage bill point of view but on the pitch it's a different matter. Letting experienced attackers leave for nothing and not replacing them out of funk at the last managers lunacy has fucked Rogers from the get go. I wish we did still have Maxi, surely his play would have suited what we are attempting to do and at least with him unlike most any of our current players he would chip in with goals. The fact that we are within a handful of points away from fourth still doesnt mean diddly it just means that apart from the mancs the teams are all a shambles, yes it offers hope that if we were to go on a run we could extricate ourselves from the financial doldrums but after half a season it's painfully obvious that the team is woefully average.
The fact that Rogers chose to open his mouth about chasing second.... Talk about hubris....
What worries me even more than our curremt situation is our future one, i fear we are already looking at the team without Gerrard because whoever that is shambling around isn't him, we haven't attracted his replacement either regardless of having spent 36 million on centre mids. We still have just the one striker despite 45M spend up there and we've got Cole and Downing on big fat expensive contracts and absentee owners of the non oily variety.
We need that euro league to start now and we need those who decide who goes in it to let nostalgia rule and offer us a place at the top table for old times sake.
The fact that Rogers chose to open his mouth about chasing second.... Talk about hubris....
What worries me even more than our curremt situation is our future one, i fear we are already looking at the team without Gerrard because whoever that is shambling around isn't him, we haven't attracted his replacement either regardless of having spent 36 million on centre mids. We still have just the one striker despite 45M spend up there and we've got Cole and Downing on big fat expensive contracts and absentee owners of the non oily variety.
We need that euro league to start now and we need those who decide who goes in it to let nostalgia rule and offer us a place at the top table for old times sake.
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i would agree with you for some other games , but yesterday i don't think poor finishing was our issue as we didn't even have that many clear cut chances . It was more that we were clueless when we got to the final third , we constantly seem to make the wrong decision and then everything breaks down .
Changing manager again will achieve nothing!
There is a lot of good things about Rodgers, and as a club we should back him and try to leverage on that.
There is a lot of good things about Rodgers, and as a club we should back him and try to leverage on that.
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i touched on it another thread but i'll do it again here as so many people keep mentioning how these aren't rodger's players and how poor some of the team are. From that starting line up , who do you expect him to move on and improve anytime soon ?
reina - perhaps , rodgers rightly wasn't happy with his performances earlier , whether he is convinced by his recent slight improvement i don't know.
johnson - england right back , attacking - i'd be surprised if rodgers doesn't rate him .
Agger and Skrtel - both supposedly highly rated , city were after them etc , both signed new contracts- can't see them being replaced unless it's to get money
Downing (indeed left back , enrique etc)-ok here i would expect some change although i am not sure if enrique's recent performances have changed anything
Allen - £15m signing , rodger's love child , he isn't going anywhere anytime soon and i'd be very surprised if Rodger's even drops him for poor form.
Lucas - Rodgers is always praising him , big fan favourite it seems , would be big call to drop him .
Gerrard - Captain , rodgers made numerous comments on how good he still is . Another Massive call to fuck him out .
Suarez - obviously our only top class player , not going anywhere unless he wants to himself .
Sterling - "greatest talent in football" , "wonder kid" and all that - not going anywhere if signs new deal
Shelvey (third forward role ) - again another position i would expect improvement in and a new player to take .
Ok so the point of all this is that although we might start to improve our squad , i wonder how much our first 11 is going to change . I only see two positions (left back and that third forward position ) changing . Where else is there scope for improvement ? Well obviously we need our off form players to sort themselves out and i guess then sterling to fulfill all this potential he has . would that and adding to those two positions be enough ? Are we going to finally adapt to rodger's "complicated" tactics and style and really kick on ? .
reina - perhaps , rodgers rightly wasn't happy with his performances earlier , whether he is convinced by his recent slight improvement i don't know.
johnson - england right back , attacking - i'd be surprised if rodgers doesn't rate him .
Agger and Skrtel - both supposedly highly rated , city were after them etc , both signed new contracts- can't see them being replaced unless it's to get money
Downing (indeed left back , enrique etc)-ok here i would expect some change although i am not sure if enrique's recent performances have changed anything
Allen - £15m signing , rodger's love child , he isn't going anywhere anytime soon and i'd be very surprised if Rodger's even drops him for poor form.
Lucas - Rodgers is always praising him , big fan favourite it seems , would be big call to drop him .
Gerrard - Captain , rodgers made numerous comments on how good he still is . Another Massive call to fuck him out .
Suarez - obviously our only top class player , not going anywhere unless he wants to himself .
Sterling - "greatest talent in football" , "wonder kid" and all that - not going anywhere if signs new deal
Shelvey (third forward role ) - again another position i would expect improvement in and a new player to take .
Ok so the point of all this is that although we might start to improve our squad , i wonder how much our first 11 is going to change . I only see two positions (left back and that third forward position ) changing . Where else is there scope for improvement ? Well obviously we need our off form players to sort themselves out and i guess then sterling to fulfill all this potential he has . would that and adding to those two positions be enough ? Are we going to finally adapt to rodger's "complicated" tactics and style and really kick on ? .
Maxi and Bellamy were both players Rodgers wanted to keep, but wanted to leave for personal reasons.
I dont know why we mentioned Maxi as Kenny used him in 12 games all season.
Kuyt, it was time for him to go after 2 goals in the league
Carroll, not good enough
Rodgers was promised 2 attacking signingsthat didnt arrive. He could have handled things better himself aswell though.
I dont know why we mentioned Maxi as Kenny used him in 12 games all season.
Kuyt, it was time for him to go after 2 goals in the league
Carroll, not good enough
Rodgers was promised 2 attacking signingsthat didnt arrive. He could have handled things better himself aswell though.
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