RATINGS!!

[mark1975]

Reina 6 - Usual composed stuff and a great save, not load to do though.

Johnson 7 - Good attacking play but showed tiredness in defence before the end.

Carra 6 - Now has the luxury of being the 'Sami', having the young lads running around him while he 'patrols' the area.

Skrtel 7 - Read things well and bailed us out on a few occasions by seeing the danger and clearing it, rather than relying on this pace he's meant to have. A few soft fouls but other than that he marshalled things well.

Insua 6 - Quiet, looked like he was struggling at times but decent in possession.

Lucas 7.5 - Composed, mopped up well and generally looked to put himself about and get us going. Good performance

Gerrard 8 - MOTM and 8 might be a bit generous but fuck it, had a bit of 'marvel' threatening to jump out at any moment.

Riera 5.5 - Two one on ones he should have burried followed by a great run and shot. Kept possession, NOT the difference between defeat against Spurs and Villa, clearly.

Kuyt 7 - Worked well in attack, some good, some bad, but a great follow up on a shot once again. Basic stuff that none of our attacking players seem too aware of.

Torres 6.5 - Intelligent running but some frustrating play too, still doesn't look altogether happy.

Yossi 7 - A bit bellow his average but when you seen a run like THAT one, it's hard not to be complimentary. Some great, one touch passing and clever running. A great asset.

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Babel 7.5 - Great contribution from the bench, good running, clever play and what a goal that could have been! Nice to see Rafa have a word in his ear before he went on. More of the same Ryan eh!?

 

[red_maradona]

was disappointed in insua, did not look composed as usual

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Reina - 7
Johnson - 6.5
Carra - 6.5
Skrtel - 6.5
Insua - 6
Lucas - 7.5
Gerrard - 7
Riera - 6
Kuyt - 7
Torres - 5
Yossi - 7.5

Babel - 7

 

[drizzt]

Woah! Gerrard was poo. Couldn't shoot straight, couldn't pass straight.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=drizzt link=topic=35866.msg944707#msg944707 date=1253136519]
Woah! Gerrard was poo. Couldn't shoot straight, couldn't pass straight.
[/quote]
Thank you. He tried a lot Alonso-esque passes, didn't really work out for him.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Reina - 7
Johnson - 6
Carra - 7
Skrtel - 6
Insua - 5
Lucas - 7
Gerrard - 6
Riera - 6
Kuyt - 7
Torres - 5
Yossi - 7

 

[drizzt]

[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35866.msg944711#msg944711 date=1253136948]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=35866.msg944707#msg944707 date=1253136519]
Woah! Gerrard was poo. Couldn't shoot straight, couldn't pass straight.
[/quote]
Thank you. He tried a lot Alonso-esque passes, didn't really work out for him.
[/quote]

On the bright side, he has 3 games like that a season. So only one to go!

 

[ILD]

Our left side look knackered. Insua needs a rest and Aurelio return will be welcomed.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35866.msg944699#msg944699 date=1253135618]
Reina - 7
Johnson - 6.5
Carra - 6.5
Skrtel - 6.5
Insua - 6
Lucas - 7.5
Gerrard - 7
Riera - 6
Kuyt - 7
Torres - 5
Yossi - 7.5

Babel - 7
[/quote]Yeah thats pretty much perfect for me. Lucas motm.

 

[Peatcheo]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=35866.msg944734#msg944734 date=1253141293]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35866.msg944699#msg944699 date=1253135618]
Reina - 7
Johnson - 6.5
Carra - 6.5
Skrtel - 6.5
Insua - 6
Lucas - 7.5
Gerrard - 7
Riera - 6
Kuyt - 7
Torres - 5
Yossi - 7.5

Babel - 7
[/quote]Yeah thats pretty much perfect for me. Lucas motm.
[/quote]

Bollocks.

 

[keniget]

I was struggling for a man of the match. I'd probably give it to one of the grafters though... Skrtel or Lucas.

 

[iseered]

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=35866.msg944713#msg944713 date=1253137148]
Reina - 7
Johnson - 6
Carra - 7
Skrtel - 6
Insua - 5
Lucas - 7
Gerrard - 6
Riera - 6
Kuyt - 7
Torres - 5
Yossi - 7
[/quote]
Spot on. Johnson to many defensive errors, Torres invisible, Gerrard ineffective.
Kuyt, Lucas and Yossi all could get MOTM, but no one really deserves it.
Poor game, but 3 points.

 

[TheBunnyman]

Some very generous marks in here, particularly Mark's 8 for Stevie, who was rubbish.


Reina 7
Johnson 6
Carra 6
Skrtel 6
Insua 5
Lucas 6
Gerrard 5
Riera 5
Kuyt 7
Torres 4
Yossi 7

 

[Delinquent]

If I had to pick a MOTM it'd probably be Yossi on account of his attacking threat and his continued positive movement while those around him stood and watched.

I thought Lucas had another average game, but he certainly wasn't alone in that.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35866.msg944831#msg944831 date=1253170809]
If I had to pick a MOTM it'd probably be Yossi on account of his attacking threat and his continued positive movement while those around him stood and watched.

I thought Lucas had another average game, but he certainly wasn't alone in that.
[/quote]

Not sure you can look past the Diggler for my money - best attacking threat, got the goal and ran all day. Yossi was good, Lucas was okay, and Johnson looked good before he started trying to beat attackers when standing still, and misplacing some passes.

Particularly insipid were Inusa, Gerrard and Torres. Riera's getting some grief, but I didnt see him actually get that much ball.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=grjt link=topic=35866.msg944833#msg944833 date=1253171567]
Particularly insipid were Inusa, Gerrard and Torres. Riera's getting some grief, but I didnt see him actually get that much ball.
[/quote]

He had it a fair bit and was clean through twice!

 

[spider-Neil]

I thought babel did okay when he came on, there I said it.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35866.msg944844#msg944844 date=1253174283]
I thought babel did okay when he came on, there I said it.
[/quote]

He looked really good. Maybe the beard will help him play better?

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35866.msg944742#msg944742 date=1253142006]
I was struggling for a man of the match. I'd probably give it to one of the grafters though... Skrtel or Lucas.
[/quote]
Tell me this are you guys beeing serious with regards to Skrtl?

First Mark and now you?

He was the main culprit as to why Debreceni's got two of their best opportunities on the night and he was often completely out of position loosing one-on-one's. Besides a few good runs upfield he was very ordinary at best and certainly not anywhere near MOTM.

[move]THIS IS NOT A PRO-AGGER POST BTW[/move]

 

[keniget]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35866.msg944943#msg944943 date=1253180993]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35866.msg944742#msg944742 date=1253142006]
I was struggling for a man of the match. I'd probably give it to one of the grafters though... Skrtel or Lucas.
[/quote]
Tell me this are you guys beeing serious with regards to Skrtl?

First Mark and now you?

He was the main culprit as to why Debreceni's got two of their best opportunities on the night and he was often completely out of position loosing one-on-one's. Besides a few good runs upfield he was very ordinary at best and certainly not anywhere near MOTM.

[move]THIS IS NOT A PRO-AGGER POST BTW[/move]
[/quote]

He made one awful clearance, which might have led to something, but other than that I thought he had a very good game. Whenever we lost the ball in midfield and they tried to break, Skrtel snuffed out the danger.

He was good. You're wrong.

 

[Squiggles]

Wasn't it him who put in that potentially goal-saving challenge in the box, too?

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35866.msg944945#msg944945 date=1253181113]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35866.msg944943#msg944943 date=1253180993]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35866.msg944742#msg944742 date=1253142006]
I was struggling for a man of the match. I'd probably give it to one of the grafters though... Skrtel or Lucas.
[/quote]
Tell me this are you guys beeing serious with regards to Skrtl?

First Mark and now you?

He was the main culprit as to why Debreceni's got two of their best opportunities on the night and he was often completely out of position loosing one-on-one's. Besides a few good runs upfield he was very ordinary at best and certainly not anywhere near MOTM.

[move]THIS IS NOT A PRO-AGGER POST BTW[/move]
[/quote]

He made one awful clearance, which might have led to something, but other than that I thought he had a very good game. Whenever we lost the ball in midfield and they tried to break, Skrtel snuffed out the danger.

He was good. You're wrong.
[/quote]
He was also caught out 1 yard behind our defensive-line and therefore cancelled an otherwise obvious offside with about 10 minutes to go, leading to a very big Debreceni-chance.

On a few occasions he lost his direct man and he also hit a few easy passes with far to much power jeopardizing our back-line.

He didn't have a good game at all especially when taking the opposition into account. Against a slightly more potent opponent he could've costed us dearly last night.

Carragher were by far our best defender on the night.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35866.msg944975#msg944975 date=1253182768]
Wasn't it him who put in that potentially goal-saving challenge in the box, too?
[/quote]
It was indeed and it was a good effort.

That doesn't change my overall opinion of his outing last night. He was actually foing quite good when going forward but when looked at from a defensive point of view he looked very shaky to me on several occasion.

It seems a few posters on here are starting to accept that he makes at least one big horrendous error per game and therefore doesn't make that much of it?

Had Carra kicked the ball 10-yards to the nearest opponent standing on his very own goalline we'd see those awful 'Carra is past it' posts today I'm sure.

 

[mark1975]

I didn't see him get caught much but when he did he was usually covering for Johnson who was attacking and getting caught. He also bailed us out on a few occasions thanks to fuck ups by his team mates.

I think you're looking for something that isn't there khl, I thought he had a terrific game considering he was the one covering for others around him for most of the night.

Carra and Johnson both made mistakes but aren't getting half the stick, because Carra is generally rock solid and Johnson is a great attacking threat, Insua wasn't great either.

Skrtel used his experience and won the foul after Johnson had given the ball away in a dangerous position, he also made that last ditch challenge when they were through on goal and look solid for the most part. The only thing you can be critical of is his tendency to give away freekicks for battling with attackers.

A last ditch tackle that saved a possible goal being conceded and snuffing out danger from his team mates mistakes.. How much can you ask for?? Other than a rampaging run and shot from 30 yards that would have resulted in a goal, which I'm sure Agger would have done had he played!

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35866.msg945006#msg945006 date=1253184512]
I didn't see him get caught much but when he did he was usually covering for Johnson who was attacking and getting caught. He also bailed us out on a few occasions thanks to fuck ups by his team mates.

I think you're looking for something that isn't there khl, I thought he had a terrific game considering he was the one covering for others around him for most of the night.

Carra and Johnson both made mistakes but aren't getting half the stick, because Carra is generally rock solid and Johnson is a great attacking threat, Insua wasn't great either.

Skrtel used his experience and won the foul after Johnson had given the ball away in a dangerous position, he also made that last ditch challenge when they were through on goal and look solid for the most part. The only thing you can be critical of is his tendency to give away freekicks for battling with attackers.

A last ditch tackle that saved a possible goal being conceded and snuffing out danger from his team mates mistakes.. How much can you ask for?? Other than a rampaging run and shot from 30 yards that would have resulted in a goal, which I'm sure Agger would have done had he played!
[/quote]
I've highlighted the only part of your post that makes sense mate.



*sniggers*



Anyways I think you're beeing too protecting of the lad. He made quite a few errors last night, positional ones as well as blatant miss-hits. We fielded the most attacking line-up I reckon I've ever seen under Rafa - with both Jonson and Insua playing as attacking wingers at times and this of course made Carra's and Skrtl's job more difficult despite playing against rather mediocre opposition.

I still believe though that he looks quite poor in his decision-making when under pressure, often resulting in him choosing the wrong option. Last night wasn't any different.

I'm not feeling assured at the moment when we're defending and Skrtl is as much to blame as anyone.

 

[keniget]

Johnson and Insua playing as attacking wingers... err what?

Skrtel was no poorer than anyone else and whether you care to admit it or not, I'd say your bias is playing a part in your judgement of the game. He put in a lot of good challenges and covered for his team-mates time and time again. I recall one incident where there was pretty much 4/5 Debrecen players breaking and no other Liverpool player in sight... Skrtel was in the right place to stop this.

I remember when Skrtel first joined us, I said after a few games that he seems to have one major fuck up a game in him. Now, you can pick at mistakes here and there sure, but how many incidents stand out during his time here where you think "wow, he really fucked up and it cost us"? Very few.

I really like Agger and have argued his case many a time on here, but I honestly think I'll end up hating him because of you.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35866.msg945043#msg945043 date=1253185986]
Johnson and Insua playing as attacking wingers... err what?

Skrtel was no poorer than anyone else and whether you care to admit it or not, I'd say your bias is playing a part in your judgement of the game. He put in a lot of good challenges and covered for his team-mates time and time again. I recall one incident where there was pretty much 4/5 Debrecen players breaking and no other Liverpool player in sight... Skrtel was in the right place to stop this.

I remember when Skrtel first joined us, I said after a few games that he seems to have one major fuck up a game in him. Now, you can pick at mistakes here and there sure, but how many incidents stand out during his time here where you think "wow, he really fucked up and it cost us"? Very few.

I really like Agger and have argued his case many a time on here, but I honestly think I'll end up hating him because of you.
[/quote]
You're stupid Keni. I haven't spoken one word about Agger in this thread but you're still trying to make it the main issue here?

First off, Insua and Johnson were pushed so much forward at times last night that they were often standing on the same line as Torres, hence the 'attacking wingers' comment. (You are aware I used this as an 'excuse' for Skrtl right)?

Second off, I thought Skrtl was poor last night despite what ever heroics you're referring too. To single him out as a MOTM as you did is downright silly. I haven't singled him out as our worst performer on the night mind, as a lot of players didn't play to their standards. He was just one of them.

I like Skrtrl but if you keep on naming him MOTM everytime he plays poorly I may start to dislike him.

Woooo.

 

[dossena]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=35866.msg945043#msg945043 date=1253185986]
Johnson and Insua playing as attacking wingers... err what?

Skrtel was no poorer than anyone else and whether you care to admit it or not, I'd say your bias is playing a part in your judgement of the game. He put in a lot of good challenges and covered for his team-mates time and time again. I recall one incident where there was pretty much 4/5 Debrecen players breaking and no other Liverpool player in sight... Skrtel was in the right place to stop this.

I remember when Skrtel first joined us, I said after a few games that he seems to have one major fuck up a game in him. Now, you can pick at mistakes here and there sure, but how many incidents stand out during his time here where you think "wow, he really fucked up and it cost us"? Very few.

I really like Agger and have argued his case many a time on here, but I honestly think I'll end up hating him because of you.
[/quote]
Exactly how I feel about Martin.

 

[Frogfish]

Reina 7
Johnson 6
Carra 6
Skrtel 6.5
Insua 5
Lucas 7
Gerrard 6
Riera 5.5
Kuyt 7 MoM
Torres 5
Yossi 7

 

[dossena]

Torres looks like he feels that he has nothing to prove anymore.